Anyone else see this as a problem??

[DiscipleofJMB]

GF says, "a well refined person should know how to write in cursive."

I hate writing in cursive, but they should still teach it. They should still demand handwritten reports, in cursive, black ink, no white-out.

Also, computers should not be used in schools. Damn kids are getting too lazy.

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Now that's ridiculous... not using computers would set kids up for failure. All but the lowest level jobs require some use of computers at some point.

How many employers would accept a hand-written, cursive font resume? How can one effectively communicate in today's world without e-mail? I have done countless hours of research and learning from home computers, laptops, tablets, smartphones etc. And I didn't have to set foot in a library.



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[Reverenddel]

When I write in cursive? It looks like kanji characters... So I print.

What sold it that I was an old fart? When I was listening to "Summertime" by "Fresh Prince, and DJ Jazzy Jeff", and the 12 year old said....

"WILL SMITH WAS A RAPPER!?!?!"

[Kreutz]

Learned it in 3rd grade (circa 1990 or so?) never used it in real life as no single situation has ever required me to. IMO its effectively obsolete and should not be taught anymore.

You and I are the same age, and you can't sit there and tell me you've never written or endorsed a check? They require a siqnature which is always in cursive.

There are a lot of things that should be obsolete but cursive writing is not one of them. It's like a good guitar or a fine wine, it's classic and never outdated!

I can sign my name (sort of-its essentially a scrawl), but in case you haven't noticed, checks are also becoming obsolete. The Brits are banning the use of paper cheques in 2018, and they invented them.

This is sarcasm, right? So, every kid that ever had guitar/piano/violin lessons, that never used it after the lessons were over should not have been taught? The art of cursive handwriting is right up there with them for me.

No, it is not sarcasm. It has no more a place in a modern curricula than wheeled buggy maintenance or understanding the physics of æther.

As for musical instruments, you be the judge if they're worth time and money for a skill to never be used, that decision would vary for each person.

Consider how the arts contribute to the development of the mind (neural pruning), the thought processes and patterns, the hand - eye coordination, etc. Don't let your daughter's brain die 18" from a google search box.

Video games also strengthen the hand-eye coordination neural pathways.

Also, the "arts" have been the dominion of myriad degenerates and communists since Dadaism.

[TacticalMom]

Wow I was in third grade circa 1988. And my kids will be learning cursive.

[SHMIV]

@Disciple: that is NOT ridiculous. Nothing I know of computers came from grade school. It wouldn't hurt the kids to do handwritten report and have to crack open some actual books to complete them. It will teach them to spell properly, amongst other things. They can figure out computers at home, which they do anyway.

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[VACoastie]

Oh yeah remember the days of "write 1,000 word essay" and you had to HAND COUNT the friggin words? I do, and I'm just 25. How 'bout learning the Dewey Decimal system? Going "ahhh shyit!" when you lost your library card. Or... Get this... Cracking open a book and finding it yourself instead of CTRL+F. Those were the days and I sti prefer hard copy to PDF's any day.

Now for cursive? Meh... I never found it practical except learning how to write my name and read others signatures. Beyond that I never write cursive.

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[vaeevictiss]

I personally think that cursive should be taught to be read, but in this day in age it is pointless to write in cursive

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[jdonovan]

I personally think that cursive should be taught to be read, but in this day in age it is pointless to write in cursive

I write all my important stuff down in cursive. Keeps the kids from reading my notes on my secret BBQ sauce and rib rub.

[dorminWS]

MY GOD! AM I GOING TO BECOME COMPLETELY OBSOLETE?

I started to school in 1958 and learned cursive like all the other little snot-nosed brats (back then, you didn’t “have allergies” – you just got slapped and told to blow yer damn nose). In fact, I think I was at least in the second grade before I was ever taught “printing”. I find cursive faster and easier than printing; and there is no reason for it to be any more or less legible. Why should it be faster or easier to write when you have to pick the pencil up off the paper to transition from letter to letter? I shudder to think about how many thousands of pages of notes, tests, essays and reports I generated during 12 years of primary education, 5 years of college, and 3 years of graduate school. I don’t remember any teacher ever requiring that I print anything except for forms & etc. except when I was being taught to print and except for when work was required to be typewritten. I think the assertion that cursive writing is useless/pointless/obsolete is just as ridiculous as the one that written books are. Technology is a wonderful thing, but we should not become totally dependent upon it; particularly not for as basic a human skill as written communication. Nor should we allow ourselves to be dehumanized by having things like cursive writing wiped from the basic skills of civilized and educated people. If you’re too dumb to learn to write in both cursive and printing, don’t cry on my shoulder about it. If you ask me, it’s more about sorry-assed teacher than it is about what kids ought to know. The rest of the world is turning out bi- and tri-lingual students, and ours are too dumb to handle the same cursive and print system their grandparents did in ONE language! The American education system ought to be ashamed; except that they have already amply demonstrated on many occasions that they HAVE no shame. As to signatures; they lose the uniqueness that gives them utility if they are merely printed. And signatures are not just for bank checks. (and don’t get me started again about the potential evils of a strictly-electronic money system without checks or paper money) There are many other legal instruments that underpin our basic legal and commercial system that rely upon a signature that if uniquely one person’s mark for their validity and purpose.

In summary: BALDERDASH!

[Palladin]

HUZZAH!!! LOL

The underpinnings are undermined.
Remember, the education system set in place by the state does not concern itself with creating independent, free thinking individuals.

We are fast moving to the point where all they have to do is drop power (or 'net) and we're toast.

[Kreutz]

There are many other legal instruments that underpin our basic legal and commercial system that rely upon a signature that if uniquely one person’s mark for their validity and purpose.

The closing contract for my house said "print or sign name".

Time marches on and waits for no man.

Methinks biometrics will make all written signatures obsolete soon enough.

[mamabearCali]

GF says, "a well refined person should know how to write in cursive."

I hate writing in cursive, but they should still teach it. They should still demand handwritten reports, in cursive, black ink, no white-out.

Also, computers should not be used in schools. Damn kids are getting too lazy.

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"GET OFF MY LAWN!"

But seriously I plan to start teaching my eldest (age cursive this year. We will teach him typing next year (age 9). It is good to have a grasp of it and good to be able to read it. I still like cursive, but that is just me. I am old fashioned like that.

Kids need to know both how to write manually and how to write digitally. Both are needful in this world of ours.

[dorminWS]

There are many other legal instruments that underpin our basic legal and commercial system that rely upon a signature that if uniquely one person’s mark for their validity and purpose.

The closing contract for my house said "print or sign name".

Time marches on and waits for no man.

Methinks biometrics will make all written signatures obsolete soon enough.

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It is not JUST that you have made a mark on a piece of paper - - any illiterate can do that. In fact, the law in Virginia, last time I checked, is that your "signature" for purposes of documents of legal import, is ANY MARK YOU MAKE INTENDING FOR IT TO BE YOUR SIGNATURE. So you could presumably execute that contract for the sale of your house by smearing a green booger on it. The problem is that there must be some way of authenticating the expectation that it is in fact your mark. Lots of us (almost all of us) develop a unique and distinctive way of writing our signatures in cursive style that allows our signatures to validate that it is our mark and that we made it. For more formal documents with significant legal and financial consequences attached to their execution, we require a Notary Public to witness those signatures just to make DAMN sure of it. You can't have a Notary follow you around all the time, so everyday documents don't require them. If you write your name in block printing, our signature (like the green booger) would become ridiculously easy to forge. Biometrics might be OK most of the time, IF somebody will pay for the infrastructure for universal biometric validation and IF people are willing to be kept track of in such a manner; but they (1) require technology and nerd support and we are back yet again to being too reliant upon technology to live our lives, and (2) aren't really all that foolproof because the authentication for biometric devices is a digital file (whatever that file is derived from), and therefore the biometric authentication can also be falsified by merely contriving a method to feed the appropriate file to the right device. So it seems to me to be much easier, cheaper and sensible; even in these times of digital magic, to stay with a good old fashioned signature - UNLESS the whole fookin' world really has become too stupid to learn cursive writing..

[Domino]

Learned it in 3rd grade (circa 1990 or so?) never used it in real life as no single situation has ever required me to. IMO its effectively obsolete and should not be taught anymore.

You and I are the same age, and you can't sit there and tell me you've never written or endorsed a check? They require a siqnature which is always in cursive.

There are a lot of things that should be obsolete but cursive writting is not one of them. It's like a good guitar or a fine wine, it's classic and never outdated!

I write all personal notes/letters, checks and address all envelopes in cursive. I learned cursive in third grade circa 1966 and have always written like a doctor.



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[FiremanBob]

I am amazed at the efforts people will make to rationalize the dumbing down of a valuable skill and an admirable tradition of Western civilization.

Perhaps that's why the Left is trying to devalue it. Remember, anything that doesn't increase government power over what you can see, hear, say and do is racist.

[AlanM]

GF says, "a well refined person should know how to write in cursive."

I hate writing in cursive, but they should still teach it. They should still demand handwritten reports, in cursive, black ink, no white-out.

Also, computers should not be used in schools. Damn kids are getting too lazy.

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I don't know if it's still true, but back in the day when Xerox copiers were high tech. (before color/digital copiers) many government documents had to be signed with BLUE ink. I know for sure that this was true for patent applications.

[Kreutz]

I am amazed at the efforts people will make to rationalize the dumbing down of a valuable skill and an admirable tradition of Western civilization.

Perhaps that's why the Left is trying to devalue it. Remember, anything that doesn't increase government power over what you can see, hear, say and do is racist.

Languages and technology change, would you have decried the laborious and extremely expensive hand copied manuscripts going extinct thanks to the printing press as "the dumbing down of a valuable skill and an admirable tradition of Western civilization."?

This argument is markedly similar to the one antis use about restricting firearms technology to the days when the 2A was written, as though society can really be expected to remain frozen in time.

Things change.

[dorminWS]

I am amazed at the efforts people will make to rationalize the dumbing down of a valuable skill and an admirable tradition of Western civilization.

Perhaps that's why the Left is trying to devalue it. Remember, anything that doesn't increase government power over what you can see, hear, say and do is racist.

Languages and technology change, would you have decried the laborious and extremely expensive hand copied manuscripts going extinct thanks to the printing press as "the dumbing down of a valuable skill and an admirable tradition of Western civilization."?

This argument is markedly similar to the one antis use about restricting firearms technology to the days when the 2A was written, as though society can really be expected to remain frozen in time.

Things change.

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BULLSH!T, Kreutz! those assertions about the printing press and the Second Amendment are downright fatuous and you are bound to know it. As a matter of fact, the invention of the printing press did not in fact kill handwriting; it merely replaced it as the best way to mass-produce the written word. And your 2nd Amendment analogy is just plain silly.

[DiscipleofJMB]

How many of you are using cursive font on your computer or smart phone?



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[dorminWS]

How many of you are using cursive font on your computer or smart phone?



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What's that got to do with this discussion?