So...what if this new ban gets passed?

[bullitt]

Check out this disturbing scenerio by Bob Owens

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/what-y ... rebellion/

[kelu]

Check out this disturbing scenerio by Bob Owens

http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/12/what-y ... rebellion/

Sounds like Bracken story: http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.c ... -the-coup/

[clayinva]

As a caveat here,,Never underestimate the stupidity of politicians.. They shoved Obamcare through didn;t they? ...

And a corollary, unfortunately, that may be the new reality - never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate. They re-elected Obama, after all.

We like to assume that people know less government interference is better, and lower taxes are better than higher taxes, and private production is better than government handouts. Not sure you can count on that kind of understanding any more. Whoever promises to buy them more crap wins. Doesn't matter that a government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have.

[Kreutz]

Technically nothing happens should Feinsteins vile whim become law since I own no weapons that qualify, but still,it must be fought just the same.

[GeneFrenkle]

Technically nothing happens should Feinsteins vile whim become law since I own no weapons that qualify, but still,it must be fought just the same.

That is just a matter of time and opportunity. Recall that she's been preparimg this legislation for about a year by her own words. The legislation and the dead children have nothing in common but a despotic, grandstanding opportunist. She and her ilk are patient and will view _any_ concession or passed legislation as a win of another in a series of 1000 cuts. Just to mix metaphors, they're turning the pot up yet another degree.

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[Kreutz]

That is just a matter of time and opportunity. Recall that she's been preparimg this legislation for about a year by her own words. The legislation and the dead children have nothing in common but a despotic, grandstanding opportunist. She and her ilk are patient and will view _any_ concession or passed legislation as a win of another in a series of 1000 cuts. Just to mix metaphors, they're turning the pot up yet another degree.

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Oh I know, thats why I'm not ignoring this since it doesn't pertain to me, I know it will pertain to me in the future. I know they will not stop at 10 rounds, even 1 round is too many for these people.

I follow alot of foreign news and know the UK/Oz set-up is their goal here. People have been imprisoned for years for finding a bullet in those countries.

All of this is anathema to both personal liberty and private property....its not just about magazine capacity etc, it rankles me the wrong way in principle.

[gunderwood]

Nothing in this proposed ban would have stopped any of these shootings. The only thing that might have limited the carnage in Newtown would have been 30 round magazines being outlawed but if he shot 10 with the AR and then used the handguns the outcome wouldn't be different.

Not even that would have helped. The shooter can simply reload and arguably smaller mags are easier to stuff into average sized pockets. 30 rounders are large enough you need tactical pants or specialized gear. We've had 40-100 rounds mags of various designs for a long time, but typically LE/Military don't use them for one reason or another. More importantly, mag capacity matters only when someone is fighting/shooting back and even then it's a balance. If your victims are a bunch of children huddled in the corner, reloading isn't a problem...just as the VA Tech shooter.

[downzero]

This may be premature, but has anyone decided what they'll do about their "assault weapons" if Feinstein's atrocity gets passed as written? I don't own any long guns that would qualify, but obviously a huge majority of semiautomatic handguns in 9 mm, .40 S&W, and other common calibers are built to accomodate more than 10 rounds of ammo.

Given the Republicans' tendency to cave and the emotional impact of all the bogus arguments that will be made regarding "the killing of children",I don't think passage is outside the realm of possibility. And after the results of the latest election, I have zero confidence in the common sense of the American people to rise up in protest at violating the Constitution.

Given the requirement in the proposed bill to register 'grandfathered' weapons, I would rather have only revolvers and shotguns than have ANYTHING registered with BATFE or whaever bunch of jackbooted thugs would enforce such a law.

Have you ever seen "the man on the street" interviews. I don't think a good many maybe even the majority of "Americans" have a clue what's in the Constitution or even what it is. And just a heads up if you think you don't have a dog in this fight, shotguns and revolvers aren't far behind after the Fed's ban semi- autos.They don't even want you to know how to spell gun.

[gunderwood]

All of this is anathema to both personal liberty and private property....its not just about magazine capacity etc, it rankles me the wrong way in principle.

That's the point the anti-gun crowd doesn't want to discuss. These regulations are unethical claims against not just private property, but also life. By dictating how you can legally defend your life they are making judgements about who's life is valuable who's is not. Firearms are easy to use intentionally; we designed them that way and their ability to effectively fulfill the role of a great equalizer can not be overstated. Unlike a large sword, brass knuckles, a baton, etc. the firearm typically does not take great strength to deploy and unlike many less-lethal options, it works universally on all threats. That's not a failing of the tool, it's part of it's intent for it allows a small women or the elderly or in special circumstances, even a child/teenager to defend themselves and others against what otherwise may be over-welling strength. Even standard capacity mags, mislabelled to sound evil by the gun control lobby as high capacity mags, even helps fulfill that purpose by allow one armed citizen defend against multiple attackers.

[kelu]

Does it sound like a hoax?
http://youtu.be/aPPSeMyXlGw

[GeneFrenkle]

Don't forget about ranchers, farmers, and others protecting livestock from varmints. A pack of coydog can hurt a herd. Think of beef, expensive horses, milk cows, etc.

Hmmm... maybe the coydog could just be encouraged to go northward. I wonder how long it would take for folks to get tired of scruffy and mr. bigglesworth dissapearing before they realize it was the farmers and their semiautos creating a barrier. Deer have moved in and there are issues dealing with that.

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[clayinva]

...I don't think a good many maybe even the majority of "Americans" have a clue what's in the Constitution or even what it is. And just a heads up if you think you don't have a dog in this fight, shotguns and revolvers aren't far behind after the Fed's ban semi- autos.They don't even want you to know how to spell gun.

WIthout a doubt, some would prefer we be like Britain where you have to account to the government for every round of privately-owned ammunition, including documenting the 'sporting purpose' for which you are buying it. And if someone invades your home and you hurt them, you are arrested.

My point just was, if you have to register with BATFE, would you still keep what you have even though it puts you squarely on the government's radar? Or, even though its a slippery slope, consider doing something different for the sake of not being on the registry. I remember a situation a while back where an Australian grandmother shot a couple of guys who had assaulted her granddaughter. When asked how she still had the guns, she said something like, "I just wasn't stupid enough to turn mine in". But, I assume she was unable to do anything else with them either. They were a one-use option, and she found something that was worth ginving up her secrecy. Never heard if the Australian government came back after her for having the banned guns.

[Reverenddel]

Simply put...

If you outlaw guns, you have a segment of the population that is NOT the "OWS" group that are 30-40 years old, one/both parent(s) dead, disposable income, unmarried, and LIED to ALL their lives about the "American Dream".

They own weapons, and have been playing military style video games almost as long as they've been alive.

They have nothing to lose.

Make them outlaws, you have a guerrilla force working within the U.S. that knows the system, and will find support from unlikely allies.

Make them outlaws, and you start the second civil war...one they have been chomping at the bit to see.

[MNMGoneShooting]

Here's what we'll have when it passes:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/01 ... latestnews

Restrictive gun laws in the best of the best.

[DonShatta]

I dunno about the rest of you guys but I DON'T OWN ASSAULT WEAPONS. What i do OWN IS SELF DEFENSE WEAPONS. I would not give up my guns and i will not listen to a British guy coming on here and dictating/mind controlling regarding our 2nd Amendment Molon Labe!

[Topsider]

The only thing that might have limited the carnage in Newtown would have been 30 round magazines being outlawed but if he shot 10 with the AR and then used the handguns the outcome wouldn't be different.

He also could've simply reloaded. Has any mass shooting ever stopped because the BG ran out of ammo...?

[ShotgunBlast]

The only thing that might have limited the carnage in Newtown would have been 30 round magazines being outlawed but if he shot 10 with the AR and then used the handguns the outcome wouldn't be different.

He also could've simply reloaded. Has any mass shooting ever stopped because the BG ran out of ammo...?

The Gabby Giffords shooting is the only one I can think of that was stopped while the shooter was reloading. Typically when people are shooting, others are running away so they can usually take their sweet time reloading.

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[VACoastie]

Oh wait, you mean he was stopped by other people with firearms near the area? Not by police who were called on a phone and minimally show up 2 minutes after the fact.

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[breacher]

Its unlikely that a ban encompassing all semi-auto's would go through. I don't even think an assault weapon ban would either, not this year at least. I do think they will further limit who can purchase, maybe raise rifle purchases to age 21 and impose invasive background checks and a much longer waiting period.

If this ban doesn't happen, the entire gun industry still suffers a major blow with the recent sales frenzy and inflated prices. The fall out will be huge with all these purchases flooding the market, it will push prices so far down the industry will fall into a slump. The whole thing is an unfortunate situation.

A friend tweeted "DC specializes in dysfunctional knee-jerk regulatory behavior on the heels of tragedy or outrage. Now, WH knee-jerk knob is cranked to 11."

[clayinva]

Oh wait, you mean he was stopped by other people with firearms near the area? Not by police who were called on a phone and minimally show up 2 minutes after the fact.
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When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. There are some honest ones who will admit that. And their job description is not to be bodyguards for all the citizens in their jurisdiction.

Maybe the scariest potential requirement is in registration. Once they know who has what, they can round them up at their leisure whenever the mood strikes them. And if you are required to register and don't, you just became a felon.

On Fox News the other day, Geraldo Rivera was incredulous that some people who own guns are 'deeply suspicious of their own government'. DUH! - Anyone who is not suspicious ain't paying attention.

There is a political blog called VARIGHT whose author is strictly a handgun owner for self- and home-defense, and just joined the NRA. One of the comments to his latest post has a partial list of the defenseless millions who have been rounded up and executed in countries where they confiscated guns.

A government of, by and for the people - which we have not had for some time - should not fear weapons in the hands of law-abiding citizens.