For some strange reason

[FiremanBob]

Romney isn't perfect, but he is not evil. Those who voted third-party helped evil prevail. May God have mercy on your souls.

Or, as we say out here in the sticks: Well, bless your heart...

[Kreutz]

That kind of sums it up.

[dusterdude]

Im 52 years old and i finally figured out how a republican candidate gets nominated for president.our glorious media takes a good candidate like herman cain and beats him down until he quits and builds up a man like mitt romney(who was a piss poor candidate)until romney gets the nomination.the media knew romney wouldnt beat obama thats why they gave him the nomination and dont tell me the media had nothing to do with it

[dragonzfury050]

Romney isn't perfect, but he is not evil. Those who voted third-party helped evil prevail. May God have mercy on your souls.

Or, as we say out here in the sticks: Well, bless your heart...

I never said he was. I said he was the wrong candidate. As for "helping evil prevail", the establishment party is more complicit than someone voting their conscience and supporting a third party. There were plenty of candidates that were capable of defeating Obama that were shunted to the sidelines, attacked by the media, or flat out ignored.

And there were certainly other candidates that were better than Romney

[Mindflayer]

Romney isn't perfect, but he is not evil. Those who voted third-party helped evil prevail. May God have mercy on your souls.

Or, as we say out here in the sticks: Well, bless your heart...

You know what I consider evil? Hypocrisy and hatred. Like, say, those hardcore GOP backers talking about the sanctity of marriage, then soliciting sex from underage boys or cheating willy nilly on their spouses. Claiming to follow a religion of humility, love, and mercy, then wanting to spread hate and judgement. It's crap. The GOP is just as packed with evil as the DEM. (Edit: fireman bob, this is not directly at you.)

I voted my conscience. Many of our Founders were Deist, and believed Nature|God gave us the tools to make Reasoned, smart decisions. Political parties have become some kind of sacrosanct tag, and as a friend put it, we've become a nation of fanboys following team Red or Blue instead of engaging in intelligent discourse (like our Founders wanted) and using Reason to come to smart decisions.

Want to know why America is headed to hell in a hand basket? Look to our first president's farewell speech:

However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

GEORGE WASHINGTON, Farewell Address, Sep. 17, 1796

[JC77]

Romney isn't perfect, but he is not evil. Those who voted third-party helped evil prevail. May God have mercy on your souls.

Or, as we say out here in the sticks: Well, bless your heart...

Save that crap. May God have mercy on the sellout conviction-less souls that voted for Romney because he was the lesser of two evils. I did it for 23 years, I'm done, I lined up like a sheep and did my time. Dole (twice) and McCain. Then they tried to give me a lying liar Romney? No, I will not sell my vote nor my beliefs out any longer. I have aligned with the Constitution Party because it is the party that best represents me and my beliefs. I certainly do not agree with every platform, but the majority, yes. The Republicans can continue to throw out the establishment candidate (who loses by the way) and will be certain to get sheep votes. They will not get mine. They continue to move to the left with the Dole's, McCain's and Romney's and they continue to lose. It's the sheep that vote for the Republicans anyway that are the problem.

People who vote their conscience are the best voters as neither party can ever count them as sheep again.

[gunderwood]

I was right there with you as I couuld not bring myself to vote for Romney and I sure as hell was not voting for Obama.

...and for this, Obama carried Virginia.

Read the OP again.
Even if every 3rd party vote had gone to Romney, he could not have won.

+1

Blame the ~2M Republicans who showed up in 2008, but went AWOL in 2012...oh wait, that's because the party strongarmed its way over all the grassroots support it had in 2010's midterm.

[Wallace]

Romney isn't perfect, but he is not evil. Those who voted third-party helped evil prevail. May God have mercy on your souls.

Or, as we say out here in the sticks: Well, bless your heart...

Save that crap. May God have mercy on the sellout conviction-less souls that voted for Romney because he was the lesser of two evils. I did it for 23 years, I'm done, I lined up like a sheep and did my time. Dole (twice) and McCain. Then they tried to give me a lying liar Romney? No, I will not sell my vote nor my beliefs out any longer. I have aligned with the Constitution Party because it is the party that best represents me and my beliefs. I certainly do not agree with every platform, but the majority, yes. The Republicans can continue to throw out the establishment candidate (who loses by the way) and will be certain to get sheep votes. They will not get mine. They continue to move to the left with the Dole's, McCain's and Romney's and they continue to lose. It's the sheep that vote for the Republicans anyway that are the problem.

People who vote their conscience are the best voters as neither party can ever count them as sheep again.

Amen Sir.
Both parties are hell bent on the subjugation of the people. Through debt, fear, intimidation, whatever means necessary.
I will not accept this anymore. I will resist, with what little I have, the erosion of our freedom.
I will not take my last breath thinking I have failed to do my part to secure freedom for my children.
They will not see me give up, or give in.

[Kreutz]

Thank you for your post JC77, i feel a little less alone in the wilderness now lol.

I didn't fall for the GOP's BS as long as you (I only voted Republican down the line for 6 years) but it was liberating to wake up and realize I and everyone else was getting screwed no matter who won.

There isnt many of us third partiers, but we're out there. Our day will come.

[ShotgunBlast]

Thank you for your post JC77, i feel a little less alone in the wilderness now lol.

I didn't fall for the GOP's BS as long as you (I only voted Republican down the line for 6 years) but it was liberating to wake up and realize I and everyone else was getting screwed no matter who won.

There isnt many of us third partiers, but we're out there. Our day will come.

+1 Agreed.

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[dragonzfury050]

Thank you for your post JC77, i feel a little less alone in the wilderness now lol.

I didn't fall for the GOP's BS as long as you (I only voted Republican down the line for 6 years) but it was liberating to wake up and realize I and everyone else was getting screwed no matter who won.

There isnt many of us third partiers, but we're out there. Our day will come.

We may not be many, but as long as we can continue to try to reach others to get them to see that supporting the establishment doesn't work we can still be effective a creating a change.

[ShortMan]

I am so so sorry I made this thread.

If you guys keep harassing each other, I'm gonna ask for a lock.

I absolutely, POSITIVELY, did not want to have the overplayed Republican/Democrat debate.

My only point was: In Virginia, Romney did so bad even if he somehow got all the 3rd party votes, he still could not have won.

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/m ... nt/2012/VA

[dorminWS]

I was right there with you as I couuld not bring myself to vote for Romney and I sure as hell was not voting for Obama.

...and for this, Obama carried Virginia.

you know what, I'm sick and tired of the is BS line. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. You still end up with evil. People should be voting in line with their convictions. I did, and I applaud all that do, regardless of who you chose.

Romney lost because he wasn't the right candidate. The Republican party continues to lose because a) they are the party of giving out "free" stuff b) continue to put forth candidates that don't past muster.

If the Republicans want to win, they need to actually grow a pair, start fighting for a more limited government (which they claim to support) across the board in EVERY issue, and stop playing the same power grab game that has gone on for the last 60 years.

You want a prosperous America? End all this damn nation building and continuous foreign wars. There is a reason the founding fathers admonished against entangling wars. They require standing armies, which require taxes to fun, which burdens the pockets of every American with taxes. We are taxed on our raw income, we are taxed on the commodities that we buy, we are taxed on all of our property, and the little bit we may be able to pass on is taxed when we die.

Sound familiar? It should, these are the same conditions that existed under England's (and Rome's) colonial empire throughout the world. It needs to stop.

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There is some truth in what you say, I admit. BUT:
(1) If Romney is the wrong candidate, is Obama the right one? Why isn't it rational to vote for the least wrong one?
(2) Same argument as above on the free stuff. The democrats are for even MORE free stuff.
(3) Standing armies are expensive. But we need one (of some size) to protect legitimate US interests. Maybe a vast scaledown would be OK for an isolationist USA, but none at all would be extremely imprudent. THE REAL PROBLEM that's feeding the federal government's insatiable appetite for more and more taxes of the FREE STUFF. Do away wuith that, and you'll probably find out one more reason you need a standing army.

At any rate, the election just past was probably the last hope for conservatives. After this, the lesser of two evils probably will be just too damn evil. That's why I say the conservatives that control the House should now lock down and force a government shutdown. There is no longer any hope of an electoral solution to the problem. The takers will vote themselves benefits until there is nothing left.

[dragonzfury050]

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There is some truth in what you say, I admit. BUT:
(1) If Romney is the wrong candidate, is Obama the right one? Why isn't it rational to vote for the least wrong one?
(2) Same argument as above on the free stuff. The democrats are for even MORE free stuff.
(3) Standing armies are expensive. But we need one (of some size) to protect legitimate US interests. Maybe a vast scaledown would be OK for an isolationist USA, but none at all would be extremely imprudent. THE REAL PROBLEM that's feeding the federal government's insatiable appetite for more and more taxes of the FREE STUFF. Do away wuith that, and you'll probably find out one more reason you need a standing army.

At any rate, the election just past was probably the last hope for conservatives. After this, the lesser of two evils probably will be just too damn evil. That's why I say the conservatives that control the House should now lock down and force a government shutdown. There is no longer any hope of an electoral solution to the problem. The takers will vote themselves benefits until there is nothing left.

1). Obama is wrong as well. It isn't rational because it validates the system by accepting a candidate that is wrong. Not voting for the candidate is the only way that clearly sends the message that you don't approve. Without that clear message things will never change.

2). Meant to say aren't. In either case, I believe number 1 still applies.

3). I agree that it would be imprudent. That's why I believe we need the state run militias (Nat Gaurd or what ever you want to call it) and infrastructure to mobilize as needed. That way the control is retained at the state level, and less likely to be misused. I would agree that the FREE STUFF is a major problem as well. The problem is the doing away with it and getting the population to not depend on or expect it.

I really hope that they lock it down. It needs to happen, sooner rather than later. I would rather endure the hardship of getting back on the right track than pass it on to my children or grandchildren.

I also agree that we won't be able to fix anything through elections at the federal level. We are going to need to do it from a state level. The states were meant to be a check on the powers of the federal government (heck they created the federal government, it stands to reason that the greater power resides with them). It's time we started pushing back on every overreach and expansion of power.

[JC77]

Romney isn't perfect, but he is not evil. Those who voted third-party helped evil prevail. May God have mercy on your souls.

Or, as we say out here in the sticks: Well, bless your heart...

Save that crap. May God have mercy on the sellout conviction-less souls that voted for Romney because he was the lesser of two evils. I did it for 23 years, I'm done, I lined up like a sheep and did my time. Dole (twice) and McCain. Then they tried to give me a lying liar Romney? No, I will not sell my vote nor my beliefs out any longer. I have aligned with the Constitution Party because it is the party that best represents me and my beliefs. I certainly do not agree with every platform, but the majority, yes. The Republicans can continue to throw out the establishment candidate (who loses by the way) and will be certain to get sheep votes. They will not get mine. They continue to move to the left with the Dole's, McCain's and Romney's and they continue to lose. It's the sheep that vote for the Republicans anyway that are the problem.

People who vote their conscience are the best voters as neither party can ever count them as sheep again.

Amen Sir.
Both parties are hell bent on the subjugation of the people. Through debt, fear, intimidation, whatever means necessary.
I will not accept this anymore. I will resist, with what little I have, the erosion of our freedom.
I will not take my last breath thinking I have failed to do my part to secure freedom for my children.
They will not see me give up, or give in.

Thank you sir for the kind comment. I hope everyone will follow your example of resisting and not giving up!

Thank you for your post JC77, i feel a little less alone in the wilderness now lol.

I didn't fall for the GOP's BS as long as you (I only voted Republican down the line for 6 years) but it was liberating to wake up and realize I and everyone else was getting screwed no matter who won.

There isnt many of us third partiers, but we're out there. Our day will come.

The way I look at it, is those who refused to align with a party, but voted their conscience, were the one's who were NOT in the wilderness! I know I personally feel like I just found my way out of it. I cannot believe I sold out for 23 years (largely).

Thank you for your post JC77, i feel a little less alone in the wilderness now lol.

I didn't fall for the GOP's BS as long as you (I only voted Republican down the line for 6 years) but it was liberating to wake up and realize I and everyone else was getting screwed no matter who won.

There isnt many of us third partiers, but we're out there. Our day will come.

We may not be many, but as long as we can continue to try to reach others to get them to see that supporting the establishment doesn't work we can still be effective a creating a change.

Amen to this. I know that 3rd partiers definitely grew after this election. The writing is on the wall, it just takes some longer to read it (talking about myself). I've been speaking to friends in the local Republican party and already I have one person in like minded belief as myself that has left this morning and is aligning with the CP.

I am so so sorry I made this thread.

If you guys keep harassing each other, I'm gonna ask for a lock.

I absolutely, POSITIVELY, did not want to have the overplayed Republican/Democrat debate.

My only point was: In Virginia, Romney did so bad even if he somehow got all the 3rd party votes, he still could not have won.

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/m ... nt/2012/VA

I have to assume I am a part of the ruining of your thread. I sincerely apologize to you if that is the case. My point in return to yours was that I believe it is due to the establishment party shoving down our throats such a weak candidate that we now have 4 more years of Obama and hence why I left the Republican party for a third party.

Again, my apologies, and also my thanks because I personally enjoyed the opinions of the other members.

JC

[FiremanBob]

Well, you self-righteous third-party voters, and those who just didn't bother to show up because Romney wasn't good enough for you, I hope you're happy to live under the Obama regime that you helped to bring about. I sure don't want to hear any of you complaining about it. The Left has won the war so far through creeping incrementalism, taking small, compromised victories while constantly pressing their attack. You guys want immediate gratification to perfect restoration of the situation as of about 1820, and you end up with less than nothing.

Now that we know the outcome was due to the non-participation of self-styled "conservatives" who wouldn't support Romney, it really is your fault that Obama stole this election.

Bless your little hearts...

[VACoastie]

Or it could be the Republican party just didn't put up the best candidate in their minds?

How is be-littling someones freedom of choice any better than those who voted "just 'cuz" whether it was repub/dem?

Romney lost, not by much. He didn't get key states. Such is life. Maybe if he campaigned better or the MSM didn't harass him and the other candidates so much we could have done the same.

In the end, we are all Virginians. We live in one of the greatest, if not the greatest, states south of the Mason Dixon. We are living on the land our ancestors landed on and colonized first. They also shed blood to give us these great liberties in many battles and wars.

Let's not forget that. Step back and stop being so critical to each other. Let's make a stand for what's now in power and use our freedoms and persons who won the seats to do our will. That's what they are there for.

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[gfost1]

Well, you self-righteous third-party voters, and those who just didn't bother to show up because Romney wasn't good enough for you, I hope you're happy to live under the Obama regime that you helped to bring about. I sure don't want to hear any of you complaining about it. The Left has won the war so far through creeping incrementalism, taking small, compromised victories while constantly pressing their attack. You guys want immediate gratification to perfect restoration of the situation as of about 1820, and you end up with less than nothing.

Now that we know the outcome was due to the non-participation of self-styled "conservatives" who wouldn't support Romney, it really is your fault that Obama stole this election.

Bless your little hearts...

Howdy, Y'all,

Bob - You're right, but you're wrong.

Answer me this: Were you excited at the prospect of of a Romney presidency? I don't know you, but I'm guessing that you are like most of the members of this forum and supported Romney because he wasn't Obama. But Romney lost, and you are disappointed.

So, take just a moment to wallow in your despair. Work yourself down, down, down, until you think that you'll never feel cheerful again. Now, imagine yourself knowing that you were going to wake up with that feeling on November 7th, regardless of the winner. That's why the republicans lost. And make no mistake, Obama didn't steal anything: the race was the republicans to win, and they lost. Why? Because they failed to reach out to the 47% that would never vote Republican? NO! They lost because they failed to energize the 47% that will never vote Democrat. What on earth possessed them to run a Massachusetts Republican against a Chicago Democrat?

The majority of Americans, regardless of race, hold to conservative christian values. Ok, maybe no longer a majority, but certainly still a plurality, and, at least during the latter half of the twentieth century, a voting block courted by both parties. Yet the democrats long ago began to turn away from us, and lately the republicans have been following hot on their heels. The democrats have successfully fashioned their party into a powerful voice for the major minority groups. I am at a loss to understand the mindset of the republicans. While the democrat coalition does their best to marginalize us, I can only speculate that the republicans figure we've got no place else to go. But we are their base, and without us they don't stand a chance. While we may not be content to vote third-party, or just stay home altogether, more and more of us are willing, and it is not do to self-righteousness. It is more akin to hopelessness.

Regards,

George

[Kreutz]

Perhaps if someone like Ron Paul (i.e. principled) was nominated those 3mil wouldnt have stood home, the rabid Ron Paul base could have mobilized alot of young people, and many third party votes would have been gained for the GOP?

The argument "we had to pick someone electable" falls flat because what was the mantra?

Oh yeah, "Anyone but Obama"; the GOP could have nominated a fence post and still pulled the numbers it pulled with Mittens.

Ah well, just remember one party rule doesn't last forever.

[dusterdude]

You guys dont get it,the republicans had better candidates(see herman cain)but the media beat them down until they had to quit.that left us with romney who the media knew couldnt beat obama,at that point it was a lost cause