What happens in Dearborn will not stay in Dearborn

[TheGodfather]

I get what you're saying but think of how any mobs act when they are heated with antagonists. (From either side) I don't think there is a difference between this group and others.

Major difference. I attended the Tea Party protests in DC. There were opposition groups with signs much worse and they would intentionally walk right through the middle of us trying to get something going. They were also yelling racial slurs and saying nasty things at the black tea party members. In spite of all that, we were able to keep our cool and do our best to ignore them.

It's odd because I've know a few devout Muslim civilians in America and I've never had a negative experience but when I was in Iraq and Afghan I met an entirely different breed of Muslim. ..some good some bad. People are people.. Good/Bad

False. Muslims are people when they are born. However, nearly right after birth they are then brainwashed to hate "infidels" and wish for their deaths. The "nice" ones you meet are acting on the training to deceive their enemies. They want you to think that they are kind and peaceful, but as soon as they have the power they will kill you without hesitation.

[TheGodfather]

You hear quite a bit about Christians protesting Muslims (Koran burning, NYC community center, etc), but this article got me thinking about Muslims protesting Christians at their
churches. My Google-fu skills are pretty sharp, but I couldn't find any relevant stories.

Christie is dead on. If you ever did any real research, you would discover that Muslims are murdering Christians all over the world.

[Kreutz]

Christie is dead on. If you ever did any real research, you would discover that Muslims are murdering Christians all over the world.

A rare truth point from me for Gawdfatha.

[caps85]

You hear quite a bit about Christians protesting Muslims (Koran burning, NYC community center, etc), but this article got me thinking about Muslims protesting Christians at their
churches. My Google-fu skills are pretty sharp, but I couldn't find any relevant stories.

Christie is dead on. If you ever did any real research, you would discover that Muslims are murdering Christians all over the world.

I would love for you to say this to my face arm chair commando, where did you serve? http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/krkhan.htm
Yes what those idiots did in dearborn was appalling, so is that fact that since 9/11 gas station attendants from india have been shot because people think they are muslim. You think christians are being murdered all over the world? What about muslims? What about jews? What about hindu's? You don't have exclusive ownership of being attacked somewhere in the world based in your religion bro, it's been happening all over the world to every different faith out there since the dawn of time. Or perhaps you are too young to know what Srebrenica was? Pretty sure those were christians killing twice as many muslims in one go than the number people who died in the WTC. Or perhaps when maronite christian militia men and israeli soldiers killed 10,000 refugees in a refugee camp in lebanon? Oh, but none of those people count, they were muslims and terrorists, it doesn't matter they were unarmed or if they were children, elderly, etc.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/eu ... -neo-nazis

Stop living in ignorance brother, your religion doesn't make you better or worse than anyone of any other, none do, and you are about as knowledgeable about islam as I am about m-theory.

ETA: look up numbers of muslims killed by muslims vs. number of christians killed by non christians since 1948

Semper Fi

[Wallace]

You hear quite a bit about Christians protesting Muslims (Koran burning, NYC community center, etc), but this article got me thinking about Muslims protesting Christians at their
churches. My Google-fu skills are pretty sharp, but I couldn't find any relevant stories.

Christie is dead on. If you ever did any real research, you would discover that Muslims are murdering Christians all over the world.

I would love for you to say this to my face arm chair commando, where did you serve? http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/krkhan.htm
Yes what those idiots did in dearborn was appalling, so is that fact that since 9/11 gas station attendants from india have been shot because people think they are muslim. You think christians are being murdered all over the world? What about muslims? What about jews? What about hindu's? You don't have exclusive ownership of being attacked somewhere in the world based in your religion bro, it's been happening all over the world to every different faith out there since the dawn of time. Or perhaps you are too young to know what Srebrenica was? Pretty sure those were christians killing twice as many muslims in one go than the number people who died in the WTC. Or perhaps when maronite christian militia men and israeli soldiers killed 10,000 refugees in a refugee camp in lebanon? Oh, but none of those people count, they were muslims and terrorists, it doesn't matter they were unarmed or if they were children, elderly, etc.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/eu ... -neo-nazis

Stop living in ignorance brother, your religion doesn't make you better or worse than anyone of any other, none do, and you are about as knowledgeable about islam as I am about m-theory.

ETA: look up numbers of muslims killed by muslims vs. number of christians killed by non christians since 1948

Semper Fi

Muslims have been murdering infidels since they formed their mob.


I heard that muslims are so nice that if you live in a muslim country its ok if you do not convert to muslim as long as you pay a tax for the privilege of retaining your beliefs. But... if you fail to pay the tax you might lose your head. Is there any truth to that?

[FredVegas]

Can someone please explain to me what the point is in having a group of people wear shirts and hold signs that have messages damning another group and stand outside their festival? Isn't being religious about having a loving relationship with your God and not inciting hate? I'm all for freedom of speech, but to have such messages and then cry to the police about thrown water bottles is a little babyish. I think both groups put a black eye on the benefits of why someone would want to be religious.
...Kinda like the jackass at the bar who will taunt you and stick out his jaw and beg you to hit him but will cry to the cops when you throw the first punch.

People are more worried about having the label Christian than being Christ-like. You would like to see more people like SGBlast admonishing both the violent mob for using it's beliefs to justify violence, and the so-called Christian group for inciting hate. There is no group that is "more wrong" than the other. Both act like petty children and it's a shame that we would defend one group over the other simply because we relate to their beliefs.

[mamabearCali]

Cap 85 please have a soda and calm down just a bit. The point was not does evil and death exist in the world....everyone knows that and it is in every culture. The question was asked do we ever hear of Muslims protesting Christian churches...the answer was yes we can look at this country for a specific example.

As for what happened in Dearborn.....I expect my 5 year old daughter to endure speech she does not like without attacking someone. That is just being part of a civilized society. When people act uncivilized I expect the civil authority to put them in their place, in this case the police walked away and did not do their job of at minimum preserving the peace. They permitted a mob to act in an uncivilized manner. If my son sings a son my daughter does not like and she hits him on the head I discipline my daughter.

[Kreutz]

Images speak louder than words:

(also, irony must never have caught on in Islam)

[caps85]

Cap 85 please have a soda and calm down just a bit. The point was not does evil and death exist in the world....everyone knows that and it is in every culture. The question was asked do we ever hear of Muslims protesting Christian churches...the answer was yes we can look at this country for a specific example.

As for what happened in Dearborn.....I expect my 5 year old daughter to endure speech she does not like without attacking someone. That is just being part of a civilized society. When people act uncivilized I expect the civil authority to put them in their place, in this case the police walked away and did not do their job of at minimum preserving the peace. They permitted a mob to act in an uncivilized manner. If my son sings a son my daughter does not like and she hits him on the head I discipline my daughter.

I think you must have missed the fact that the last 2 posts before mine were denouncing my whole religion as evil, and said all muslims in america (including presumably myself, who has fought for this country, as well as muslims who have given their life for this country as shown in my link above) are evil and plotting to attack our own country. If you think that's acceptable then sorry we will just have to agree to disagree. People who say things like that have MUCH more in common with the taliban than with the founding fathers, at least in terms of their speech.

And for Kreutz, apparently you didn't feel like responding to anything I wrote and just posted up a picture of an idiot holding a sign, here's a picture of the result of christian on muslim violence, I guess all christians are evil and plotting to murder people?




Anyways have fun in blissful ignorance on the couch and remember this muslim will gladly fight for your right to say whatever garbage you can spew <3, just like I can spew mine, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it! God bless America.
Semper Fi

[mamabearCali]

Ok since you are new (sorry went by that by the number of posts you have made--comment still applies) here we usually don't post pictures of skeletons and dead bodies on this website. Ten year olds browse here. If it is not fit for a 10 year old girls eyes, don't post it. Or post it with a link and a warning.

I deal with people one on one. If you can disagree with that sign that anyone who is not a Muslim should be beheaded then you and I can be friends. I still think your religion is wrong and wish you would convert. I am sure you think I am wrong and wish I would convert. The problem comes when one of us thinks the other is worthy of death because we won't convert.

On the content of the graphic pictures. I don't have any context for them. So I don't know. But it looks like a war scene. Terrible things happen in wars. Wars have been going on since the beginning of human existence and likely will go on to the end. To me there is a vast difference between violence in a war and violence in what should be a peaceful community. It is one thing when an invading army attacks a refugee camp (bad and terrible as that is) than when ones own neighbors threaten to kill you and burn your place of worship. Perhaps as a warrior you don't see the difference. As a civilian I do.

I don't know where you served, but thank you for your service.

[TheGodfather]

Stop living in ignorance brother, your religion doesn't make you better or worse than anyone of any other, none do, and you are about as knowledgeable about islam as I am about m-theory.

Damn! You're all over the place. Your comments pretty much define the term "spray and pray".

FYI, providing a link to an article about neo nazis killing muslims isn't much of an argument.

I'm not gonna waste my weekend on your crazy nonsense, but I will say this - get an education! Start with researching how Islam was started and then follow how it developed (with the writing of the Koran and other books) all the way to today. You will be surpised to find that Islam is different from other religions in that it is a "religion" of violence.

[FredVegas]

I'd say caps85 has been very clear about his points. His pictures show us the result of a violent self-proclaimed Christian group. That any religious belief system can be used to justify hate, no matter how many people try to make it about something decent. This thread predictably spiraled into an anti-Islam rant. While there is plenty of evidence to support Islam as a 'violent' religion, Christianity's record on violence is far from gleaming. It's quite a judgement for the Christian community to comment on another religions penchant for violence, without at first acknowledging it's own questionable past.

[ShotgunBlast]

I'd say caps85 has been very clear about his points. His pictures show us the result of a violent self-proclaimed Christian group. That any religious belief system can be used to justify hate, no matter how many people try to make it about something decent. This thread predictably spiraled into an anti-Islam rant. While there is plenty of evidence to support Islam as a 'violent' religion, Christianity's record on violence is far from gleaming. It's quite a judgement for the Christian community to comment on another religions penchant for violence, without at first acknowledging it's own questionable past.

[TheGodfather]

IWhile there is plenty of evidence to support Islam as a 'violent' religion, Christianity's record on violence is far from gleaming. It's quite a judgement for the Christian community to comment on another religions penchant for violence, without at first acknowledging it's own questionable past.

There's where you make your mistake. You look at the actions of some who claim to be part of a religion and say, "Hey, that religion does bad things!" I look at the source of the religion and say, "Hey, their religion is based on doing bad things and their followers are doing it!"

Islam was started by a mass murdering pedophile and he wrote a book teaching his followers (who followed him under the threat of death) to further his cause through violence.

Christianity was started by Christ who healed the sick, preached love and willingly gave His life.

And you think it's right to compare the two by looking at the actions of those who claim to be followers?

[FredVegas]

Yes, it is a fair comparison. If you intend for your invention to bring peace and healing, and it's used to disseminate hate and death. It is just as culpable so long as you continue to propagate it. This thread should be targeted on the Dearborn Police force rather than a community largely composed of christians, judging another religion.

(also, irony must never have caught on in Islam)

Looking at Christianity's violent past and this conversation, maybe irony hasn't caught on here either.

[Wolvee]

I think this thread shows very well that you don't have to be religious to be a nut.

[SHMIV]

I've done a lot of traveling about this country, and have had the privilege of spending time with people of all walks of life. I have found that I able to bond with people of nearly all religions.

I have found that I can be friends with other Christians (and our Jewish brethren), as well as with Buddhists, Odinists, Atheists, and Agnostics. I can even form friendships with Wiccans, Pagans, and Satanists.

In fact, it seems that, religiously speaking, Muslims have been the only group to consistently deny me friendship. Not once have I ever managed to form a friendship with a Muslim.

I'm one of those guys that can be considered "everyone's" friend. People generally like me, right off the bat. I have countless strangers open up to me, and pour out their soul to me within two minutes of meeting me. I'm not even a psychologist.

When I observe that Muslims are the only religious group to consistently look at me with contempt, I'm not observing this from my La-Z-Boy positioned in front of Fox News, I'm making the observation from participating in the real world.

[TheGodfather]

I'm not observing this from my La-Z-Boy positioned in front of Fox News.

"certain" people make this assumption about me when they have absolutely no clue who I am, where I've been or what I've done. But I guess when they're faced with truths that they don't want to hear, they have no defense but to make those kinds of statements.

[SHMIV]

I'm not observing this from my La-Z-Boy positioned in front of Fox News.

"certain" people make this assumption about me when they have absolutely no clue who I am, where I've been or what I've done. But I guess when they're faced with truths that they don't want to hear, they have no defense but to make those kinds of statements.

I note that it happens to many people. This is the internet; one really can't make an accurate assumption about anyone else; the best one could do is hazard a guess. I reckon that the same would apply to the physical world, as well.

[Kreutz]

And for Kreutz, apparently you didn't feel like responding to anything I wrote and just posted up a picture of an idiot holding a sign, here's a picture of the result of christian on muslim violence, I guess all christians are evil and plotting to murder people?

Ah, Sebrenica! I will let you know a secret about me, though I am mostly of German stock,I'm also a good ole chunk of Makedonija. Now, why this is relevent is because its the Serbs that did Sebrenica. The Serbs! Why, they were oppressing and killing my Macedonian Christian ancestors, forcing them to Serbianize their names and language, and all around making the place suck even more. (because when you live in grinding poverty and your prized possesion may only be a goat you share with your neighbor, its bad to begin with).


Thats why they moved to America, to escape the Serbs. The point here is, the example (really the only one you'll find in Europe anyway) that you use of Christians slaughtering those Muslim Bosnians? Its about ethnicity and territory, not religion.

In the context of the Balkans (where the most cherished past time is slaughtering your neighbors while shrieking in gibberish for being the tiniest iota different from you) that massacre is a meaningless continuation of an age old way of life, not the crime against humanity you make it out to be. Hell, until the 21st century they would have called that picture, "last Thursday".

Then beheaded whoever used the soul stealing camera for witchcraft.

And then staked them for good measure.


And one more thing; up until very recently I've been an atheist my entire life so I never had a dog in the fight of muslim v christian, but even then I'd have preferred to live in a Christian society over a muslim one simply because the Christian one wouldnt declare my former worldview a death sentence. Tolerance is not in the Muslim lexicon.

I've been bashed as being too friendly to Muslims on this site, so, take what I say with a grain of salt