Tired of all the side stepping.

[davasmith]

Parry, I would like to think that a "lobby" day event would be accepted as a mainstream attempt to gain public acceptance of "our" cause. However, I believe it would be shown as a desperate attempt to gain acceptance or more rights for conservatives. Face to face sit downs is our best chance at changing anything with our govt immediately. Posting ads, write ups in the news papers and commercials on tv bring it to the populace in mass communication. I agree with you rick that that my first few posts were radical, I wanted to see how a radical idea or thought would be accepted on this particular site. I also understand about engaging ones brain before mouth. I carry a big stick and speak softly when the situation requires it. I will not accept that we have gone beyond return. I will not accept that "we" are doing all "we" can. That thought breeds complacency. What can the vcdl do differently than they are doing now? Where are the public documents supporting 2nd ammendment? I mean why don't I see ads in the richmond times or suburban shopper? I see divorce lawyer ads, I see lawn service ads, I see tanning salon ads, I see auto sales the list goes on and on. Mass populace publication is a great start. Sit downs are manditory. I see a lot of people concerned about our country's future but far too many who have apparently given up. This what I find completely unacceptable. The sitting, bitching and hoping someone else will fix the problems arrises from the lack of populace comment. Where is it? Can't we as voters and most importantly as citizens bring corruption charges against those that have not upheld their oaths of office? Can't we bring charges against holden for his blatant disregard of the constitution and laws? Can't we impeach a sitting president for lying on his application for the job? Can't we bring charges against a police officer shown murdering a young man? Can't "We"? This is why I say this is a "we" situation, not an "I" one. Great replies gentlemen, and lady. I wasn't putting you on the spot mamabc.

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[allingeneral]

Joshua - I'll address a couple of your points:

Where are the public documents supporting 2nd ammendment? I mean why don't I see ads in the richmond times or suburban shopper? I see divorce lawyer ads, I see lawn service ads, I see tanning salon ads, I see auto sales the list goes on and on. Mass populace publication is a great start.

I would LOVE to do this, but it takes money...a lot of it. Lawyers, lawn mowers, tanning salons and car dealers place ads because they bring in revenue. Our ads would not bring in revenue - they would cost money to publish and there would be no monetary return on investment. This makes people not want to get involved. I have looked at empty billboards on several occasions, and even called on a couple of them to find out that they cost $2,000 or more per month to rent. Bumper stickers, business cards, etc... Just need to decide what message you want and how you plan to pay for it - your pocket, or *We's* pocket? - how can you get "We" to put money into the cause?

Can't we bring charges against holden for his blatant disregard of the constitution and laws? Can't we impeach a sitting president for lying on his application for the job? Can't we bring charges against a police officer shown murdering a young man? Can't "We"?

Sure "We" can. You will first need to find someone in your legislature who will "Champion the cause". I believe that Darrell Issa is already working the Holder issue. If Obama were impeachable, I'd like to think that someone would already be on it. If he's not impeachable, I want to know who thinks so, and why - from the inside.

The key to doing what you want is to identify one or two very specific things that you want to see addressed, then come up with concrete ideas that can be set into motion. Talk to your representative at the state level - talk to your mayor, talk to the school board, talk to your county supervisor, attend a city council meeting, etc... Maybe an Op-Ed in the local paper or an advertisement to get people involved. Any advertisement would have to include a call to action - how can others get involved...

[davasmith]

Thank you Rick. Finally someone willing to discuss real options. Searching for someone to champion "the" cause is somewhat difficult to do given the current political enviroment. What would you say to starting a poll of sorts that would contain electronic signatures staing our beliefs, disbeliefs and stands and dislikes? A very specific poll. Could this be done inexpensively? We are all at some sort of a computer and can read and write, so why not. If we can get the poll going, when its time to print out a hard copy and start sending it to the politicians I'll pay the printing fees and as much of the postage as I can. I would think that a short paragraph on top followed by "thousands" of signatures might cause a champion to come out knowing their not fighting alone (the safety in numbers thing).

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[allingeneral]

What is "The Cause", specifically? There's an interesting petition site that I wandered upon a few days ago...would be a good place to get "electronic sugnatures" for our cause.

What cause are we specifically trying to promote?

[ffhounddog]

When I ran for school board I was told I would have a lot of support. I showed up to my first election gig and I had 18 people. I had 257 votes for my district and the incumbent had a lot more. Why? She is a real politition. I am soldier who cannot tell a lie. Well I can but I choose not too unless a person's life is in danger.

[Taggure]

You know I have been reading this thread and was just going to stay out of it but, after all the BS that I have been hearing in the news lately I just thought that I would throw my hat into this discussion.
What I get really tired of is the fact that as a White Anglo Saxon Protestant (WASP) straight happily married man that I cannot say anything about anyone without being called a racist or if I state the obvious about anything I am insensitive to the plight of others. But when I hear the things that are being said by the new black panthers that "we are lucky that they are not running around hanging crackers yet" and no one condemns this type of talk then i get pissed. If that had been a WASP that had said that about the (insert your racial slur here) then there would have been Holy Hell across the airwaves and AG Holder would have been all over it, but when said from a minority about whites all you can hear is the crickets from the AG.

Vern

[Reverenddel]

TOTALLY AGREE TAG! TOTALLY!

If you're a white christian southern male, you're considered to be the "enemy" of society in this country, yet silently, and without fanfare, we keep this country running SMOOTHLY!

We don't ask for adoration, or parades, or awards... We just wanna keep what we earn, shoot our guns, eat what game we harvested, and be LEFT THE HELL ALONE!

However, those with an agenda will use our silence, and isolation as a weapon against us.

We need to boycott EN MASSE anything a sitcom, or commercial, or a group degrades our image, or position. Also, since MINORITY births surpassed EURO-AMERICAN BIRTHS... WE ARE THE MINORITY NOW! I would propose we start the North American Association of Whites... But the fact it spells "NAAW" doesn't work out so well.

[Taggure]

Yeah but as soon as that happens then we will be deemed as a racist organization because it is for the WASP. But they can have the NAACP and all the organizations that promote their races, gender, non-gender, but dare us to have one for the white Americans and we become intolerant and racist, well I cry BS on that. Just like the attack in Norfolk that whole thing was brushed off as a Non-Event but if the race had been reversed you bet AG holder would have been all over it. We are a nation of laws and All the laws should be upheld in the same manner regardless of race. Here is that link that I talked about above
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/new-bla ... t-yet-yet/

[dorminWS]

The AG simply doesn't have the authority to interfere in that investigation in Norfolk - at least not yet. The Commonwealth's attorney for that jurisdiction is who must exercise prosecutorial discretion. It may be frustrating in this case, but we are lucky not to have an intrusive, overreaching AG. What you are seeing, I submit, is not mere failure or unwillingness to act - it is a Constitutional Officer who is exercising restraint based upon his actual constitutional and statutory powers. Small wonder you failed to recognize it; it is an exceedingly rare phenomenon.

As for the proposed association of white caucasion males, I suggest you call it the National Association for the Advancement of Honkies. Then you could use the acronym "NAAH", which would be it's answer for nearly all proposals for"social justice" and such.

[Taggure]

I understand where you are coming from, but i still submit that if the races had been reversed the AG would have been all over it and would have not shown any restraint. I agree that AG Holder has no business in this case just like he really has no business in a lot of them that he has weighed in on, but he always seems to turn a blind eye to these type of cases and comes out with an opinion if the races are reversed. Look at the latest on the Zimmerman case AG Holder is looking at civil charges! Not trying to jump up and down on my soapbox but I can't for the life of me now that the facts are being reveled and it looks like Zimmerman was in his right to protect himself explain why AG Holder is even getting involved other then he wants his own justice.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/a ... oFPMaEfslK

Sorry all I am generally pretty much live and let live but the BS with AG Holder and all the damn tip toeing around for the fear of be branded a racist just because I will state the oblivious and I happen to be WASP is pure and utter BS. A minority man can say whatever the hell they want and everyone looks the other way. You know the new black panthers put a bounty on Zimmerman’s head and no one is investigating that now are they. If a WASP was to do that there would be all kinds of hell to pay.

http://www.theroot.com/black-panther-pa ... -zimmerman

Please someone tell me that you don't see what I am talking about, and I will have to tell you that you are not looking at what is going on with yours eyes wide open.

I guess I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Oh and I like the NAAH

[davasmith]

Wow! That's what I'm talking about. Anyone here on this site who knows a black panther that wants to hang a cracker, please I implore you to direct them to chester, va. I would love to meet the whole tribe (because they never come man to man or one on one) and we can discuss the situation. I'm not superman or suicidal but I for one will not back down, bow my head or run for the hills. besides, there's a group of men around here who would love a good "discussion" on racial angst. Where's the uproar about this? Where's the holy anger. where's the political correctness crowd? Where is the a.g. for this public terroristic threat? Hmmmm...... seems like a perfect place for some "elbows". Rick as far as a "cause" how about starting with a poll for the support of a court filing for the black panthers and their immediate terroristic threat against whites? I'll sign it first. Tagg good to have you here. Joshua

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[kelu]

"When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion -- when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing -- when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors -- when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you -- when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice -- you may know that your society is doomed."

[dorminWS]

I understand where you are coming from, but i still submit that if the races had been reversed the AG would have been all over it and would have not shown any restraint. I agree that AG Holder has no business in this case just like he really has no business in a lot of them that he has weighed in on, but he always seems to turn a blind eye to these type of cases and comes out with an opinion if the races are reversed. Look at the latest on the Zimmerman case AG Holder is looking at civil charges! Not trying to jump up and down on my soapbox but I can't for the life of me now that the facts are being reveled and it looks like Zimmerman was in his right to protect himself explain why AG Holder is even getting involved other then he wants his own justice.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/a ... oFPMaEfslK

Sorry all I am generally pretty much live and let live but the BS with AG Holder and all the damn tip toeing around for the fear of be branded a racist just because I will state the oblivious and I happen to be WASP is pure and utter BS. A minority man can say whatever the hell they want and everyone looks the other way. You know the new black panthers put a bounty on Zimmerman’s head and no one is investigating that now are they. If a WASP was to do that there would be all kinds of hell to pay.

http://www.theroot.com/black-panther-pa ... -zimmerman

Please someone tell me that you don't see what I am talking about, and I will have to tell you that you are not looking at what is going on with yours eyes wide open.

I guess I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Oh and I like the NAAH

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I was talking about the VIRGINIA AG. Holder has no business sticking his nose in a state offense anyway. But I agree if the colors were reversed, he be on the Norfolk deal like (you'll pardon the expression) white on rice.

[dorminWS]

All this talk in the last few posts made me think of the text of the e-mail I got from somebody styling themselves "Conservative Action Alerts". This has been discussed on this forum before and dismissed because previous Presidents back to Harry Truman have signed similar Executive Orders aimed at coping with a nuclear holocaust. But what is chilling is the statement in the third paragraph below, which I have set off with two rows of asterisks. It makes the sentiments expressed here a little more ominous, doesn't it?

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Government "Whistleblower" Says Obama IS Planning to Declare Martial Law -- Click below to DEMAND Congress STOP Obama's "Emergency Powers" Executive Order:
https://secure.conservativedonations.co ... aw/?a=7696

ALERT: A government "whistleblower" inside the Obama regime has blown the lid off of why Barack Hussein Obama has recently signed Executive Orders that give him the power to declare martial law across America!
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Obama, through the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and other agencies and "czars," is plotting a major "Reichstag" event to generate racial riots and produce the justification for martial law, delaying the November 2012 elections... possibly indefinitely!
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A DHS whistleblower informed the Canada Free Press "that the DHS is actively preparing for massive social unrest inside the United States. He then corrected himself, stating that 'a civil war' is the more appropriate term. 'Certain elements of the government are not only expecting and preparing for it, they are actually facilitating it.'"

It's more and more obvious that Barack Obama is preparing to DECLARE MARTIAL LAW -- we MUST STOP HIM NOW!
SEND A MESSAGE TO EVERY SINGLE U.S.
CONGRESSMAN, DEMANDING THEY STOP
BARACK OBAMA'S "EMERGENCY POWERS"
MARTIAL LAW EXECUTIVE ORDERS:
SEND YOUR MESSAGE NOW!

A "Reichstag event" refers to a fire started in Germany's legislature during Hitler's rise to power. The fire allowed him to grab emergency powers and eliminate his opposition. While he blamed it on Communists, historians have long believed that Hitler started the fire himself.

According to the anonymous "whistleblower" inside Obama's DHS, this "Reichstag event" would take the form of a staged assassination attempt against Barack Obama, "carefully choreographed" and manufactured by Obama operatives. It would subsequently be blamed on "white supremacists" and used to enrage the black community to rioting and looting, the DHS source warned.

The Obama administration would then use the violence and chaos they created as justification for the imposition of martial law in major urban cities in America, the creation of DHS checkpoints, restriction of travel, and the indefinite delay of the November 2012 elections:
"The DHS takes their marching orders from the Obama administration, from Obama himself, but mostly from his un-appointed czars. And Jarrett, especially Valerie Jarrett. Don't think for a minute that the administration is doing anything to stabilize events in the U.S. They are revolutionaries, and revolutionaries thrive on chaos," he added.

This is getting TOO BIG to hide -- now, even the MEDIA is starting to pick up on the shocking news:

Barack Hussein Obama has signed Executive Orders giving him the power to declare MARTIAL LAW in America!

On a recent episode of his Fox News show, Sean Hannity himself declared:
"Tonight... we shine the spotlight on an executive order that the White House was hoping that you would never learn about. Now, the President signed the National Defense Resources Preparedness [NDRP] executive order late Friday afternoon. And since that time, now the measure has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media. Now, the order essentially gives the president of the United States absolute power over any and all American resources during both times of peace and national crisis. Now, this includes, but it's not limited to food and livestock, water, plants, energy, health resources, transportation and construction materials and gives the government the ability to, quote, 'control the general distribution of any material, including applicable services in this civilian market.'"

Hannity then went on to discuss how "this would give the President of the United States the authority to declare basically Martial Law during times of peace. And to be sure, this is simply the latest string of actions taken by the administration that ignore the basic principles of our constitution."

Barack Obama is OUT OF CONTROL -- we MUST STOP HIM NOW!
SEND A MESSAGE TO EVERY SINGLE U.S.
CONGRESSMAN, DEMANDING THEY STOP
BARACK OBAMA'S "EMERGENCY POWERS"
MARTIAL LAW EXECUTIVE ORDERS:
SEND YOUR MESSAGE NOW!

Of course, that Executive Order was only the BEGINNING. Obama's preparations to institute MARTIAL LAW IN AMERICA are coming together quickly.

FIRST, he signed an Executive Order, for so-called "National Defense Resources Preparedness" -- that would give him DICTATOR POWERS whenever he decides he "needs" them.

THEN, he signed ANOTHER "Executive Order", this time to take control of America's domestic natural gas production.

NOW, he's done it AGAIN -- Barack Hussein Obama has signed YET ANOTHER Executive Order... declaring INTERNATIONAL LAW for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

As reported by blogger Henry Shivley:
"On May 1, 2012, our Glorious Leader, Premier Barack Obama AKA Barry Soetoro AKA Barry the Rat, signed yet another Executive Order - Promoting International Regulatory Cooperation. This dictate is designed to standardize regulations between the United States and its so-called trading partners.

What is a regulation? A law. So what is actually being attempted here is a standardization of international law. It is an absolute violation of the Constitution for the United States to legislate our law outside of our borders."

And what exactly can this latest unconstitutional Executive Order lead to? As Shivley states, "Considering the many international security agreements the traitors occupying our highest seats of power have entered into, this latest executive order can absolutely be used to institute gun confiscation laws/regulations, without any consent by our Congress or our Judicial. And once these foreign laws are brought to the United States under the various security agreements, foreign troops will be brought in to enforce the foreign laws upon the people of the United States."

This new Executive Order came hot on the heels of the recent one that Barack Obama signed to take control of America's domestic natural gas production. As columnist Mac Slavo reports:
"While Americans focused their attention on the Colombian controversy involving U.S. Secret Service agents, prostitutes and excessive drinking, President Obama quietly signed his latest Presidential Executive Order.

The Supporting Safe and Responsible Development of Unconventional Domestic Natural Gas Resources Executive Order seeks to create what amounts to a Presidential super committee that will oversee the regulation and development of the 'unconventional' natural gas industry for the purpose of ensuring a long-term natural gas supply for the United States, as well as to do so in a safe and environmentally responsible manner."

So now, by Presidential decree alone, the federal government can "coordinate action" through thirteen core federal agencies against any domestic natural gas production facility -- all according to standards determined to be "appropriate" not by law, but because of political agenda.

Moreover, because a key stated purpose of this latest Executive Order is to "ensure long-term supplies," Barack Obama's new decree gives the federal government the ability to shut down gas production operations as THEY see fit, which can lead directly to government price fixing and centralized control of an essential natural energy resource.

While Obama's Executive Order aims to curtail some of the practices of the hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," industry, it further expands government control over our lives through more centralization of power and bureaucracy.

THINGS ARE GETTING WORSE. As experts start to dig deeper into Barack Hussein Obama's recently-signed Executive Order, for so-called "National Defense Resources Preparedness," they are reporting just how bad this really is: OBAMA IS PREPARING TO DECLARE MARTIAL LAW IN AMERICA.

As detailed in this report from the Canada Free Press:
Under this order the heads of these cabinet level positions; Agriculture, Energy, Health and Human Services, Transportation, Defense and Commerce can take food, livestock, fertilizer, farm equipment, all forms of energy, water resources, all forms of civil transportation (meaning any vehicles, boats, planes), and any other materials, including construction materials from wherever they are available. This is probably why the government has been visiting farms with GPS devices, so they know exactly where to go when they turn this one on.

Specifically, the government is allowed to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate. They decide what necessary or appropriate means.

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! BARACK OBAMA IS TRYING TO VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION, BECOME A DICTATOR, AND TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS!

It's up to YOU AND ME to STOP HIM NOW!

[Taggure]

That would explain then why the DHS ordered all that 5.56 ammunition then wouldn't it?

[OakRidgeStars]

That would explain then why the DHS ordered all that 5.56 ammunition then wouldn't it?

Hmmm... https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... d&_cview=1

[Kreutz]

TOTALLY AGREE TAG! TOTALLY!

If you're a white christian southern male, you're considered to be the "enemy" of society in this country, yet silently, and without fanfare, we keep this country running SMOOTHLY!

We don't ask for adoration, or parades, or awards... We just wanna keep what we earn, shoot our guns, eat what game we harvested, and be LEFT THE HELL ALONE!

However, those with an agenda will use our silence, and isolation as a weapon against us.

We need to boycott EN MASSE anything a sitcom, or commercial, or a group degrades our image, or position. Also, since MINORITY births surpassed EURO-AMERICAN BIRTHS... WE ARE THE MINORITY NOW! I would propose we start the North American Association of Whites... But the fact it spells "NAAW" doesn't work out so well.

Oh God, if only every MOT were like you, lapsed or not. Sigh.

I genuinely hope to live to see when whitey stops paying taxes and those EBT's don't work anymore.

A General Butt Naked (Google it for a laugh) will rise in every major "diverse" city in an hour.

[scrubber3]

Just want y'all to know that I'm in. Let's make this happen. I'll work on a plan B just in case. . What can we do? Any lawyers around?

[tursiops]

Dormin, do you actually believe this about a DHS whistleblower and a Reichstag plan, or is this a case of you are having fun with the forum and stirring the pot to see what happens?

[dorminWS]

Dormin, do you actually believe this about a DHS whistleblower and a Reichstag plan, or is this a case of you are having fun with the forum and stirring the pot to see what happens?

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Didn't post it for the truth, and the point is that it doesn't matter if it's true or not. I certainly don't want to believe it. The point its that it's out there on the net in a solicitation. That means there are probably enough takers to make it worth someone's time to do it. The point is that just as there are folks out there that believe reality TV fantasies are for real, there are surely some out there who believe the "martial law" scenario; and there are certainly the Black Panthers and other extremist minority groups and extremist "white power" groups who are preaching and hoping for an opportunity to engage in violence. The point is that posters on this forum are saying things that bespeak deep-seated, strongly felt resentment over what they perceive as unfair treatment by "the system"; and these are not extremists or wackos - they're pretty much average Americans - and they'll surely defend their lives, families and property if threatened. The point is that the POTUS was making approving statements about and even now refuses to condemn the OWS movement that is preaching the end of capitalism and generating anarchy and vandalism. The point is that it is just one more indication that our government grows increasingly more dysfunctional as the Obama camp attempts to take us further down the road to socialism.

No, tursiops, I don't actually believe it. But my point was that even though I don't expect or want it to happen, it does seem to me that extant circumstances are absolutely more conducive to something like it happening than at any time in my lifetime. In other words, I find it very disturbing that such a thing seems less improbable than it has been. Dangerous ground.