penalty for carrying?

[whplanet]

According to the first link in the forum, if I CC to a restaurant and consume alcohol, I've commited a Class 2 Misdemeanor.

What if I carry where I'm not supposed to? For example, to my office since my employer has a no weapons policy?

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[Jakeiscrazy]

You may now CC in restaurants that serve alcohol provide you do not drink. Were is this old link your talking about?

[ProShooter]

What if I carry where I'm not supposed to? For example, to my office since my employer has a no weapons policy?

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You would probably be charged with Trespassing..

Its a Class 1 misdemeanor - up to 12 mo. in jail, up to a $2500 fine, or any combination of the two.

[OakRidgeStars]

Not to mention that your employer would probably make you a former employee.

[jdonovan]

What if I carry where I'm not supposed to? For example, to my office since my employer has a no weapons policy?

Depends on the company....

Some may simply tell you to go put that in your car.

Some may send you home for a day, or a week.

Most will probably freak out, they will ban you from the premises until the company laywer can call you and say: <donald trump voice> YOUR FIRED </donald trump voice>


In the worst case, you get terminated for cause, and for the rest of your life have to answer "yes" to the job application question have you ever been terminated for cause? Then the real fun comes on the next line "explain the circumstances of your termination".

Where do you think the little HR lady at your next job would rank you as she is reviewing applications from:
a recently released felon?
or the guy who ignored the rules and brings guns into the office?

[Jericho01]

Getting terminated from your company for cause disqualifies you from obtaining unemployment benefits. And if your actions result with you ending up with felonious record, say good-bye to your CHP.

So my unsolicited advice to you, friend, is: don't even think about it.

[b2unit]

Funny my old company (some years back) was all male and all gun owners. We spent an inordinate amount of time sharing new weapons and modifications and 98% of the office personnel were armed.

Then we hired the whiner whom went home an told his wife about all the guns and she freaked out. He complain, "on her orders" and "threatened to sue" our small business. Guns were banned.

If he had just asked or been man enough to say they made him uncomfortable NO ONE would have really minded being a bit less high profile about it. I was a field supervisor so was in and out of the office and forgot to lock my weapon in the safe mounted in my trunk one day and walked into the COO's office (a good friend). Took a scolding and apologized....about a week later we fired a rather unstable new employee and I was called back in the office, "Hey man, you still have that pistol with you? if you don't could you go get it out of the car?". Now he wanted and armed employee...lol

So the policy became, all managers will be armed but the weapons will be concealed. Funny how the rules change about firearms when someone feels like they need to be protected.

[dorminWS]

Getting terminated from your company for cause disqualifies you from obtaining unemployment benefits. And if your actions result with you ending up with felonious record, say good-bye to your CHP.

So my unsolicited advice to you, friend, is: don't even think about it.

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I don't think that's strictly true.

Last time I checked, the only thing that disqualified you for unemployment benefits was either that YOU QUIT VOLUNTARILY, or were terminated FOR MISCONDUCT.

Misconduct, according to precedents followed (allegedly) by the hearings offocers and deputies at the Va. Employment Commission, is the intentional failure to comply with standards of conduct an employer had a right to impose.

In the scenario posited above, the employer had no weapons policy. So, while the Employer had a right to impose a policy, it had not done so. Therefore, the employer should not be disqualified for benefits.

Good news for employee would be he could collect his benefits. Bad news would be he was nevertheless unemployed.

Moreover, it would not surprise me if a large percentage of hearings oficers and deputies would get bit by the political correctness serpent and deny the benefits in spite of what they SHOULD have done just because there was a GUN in the workplace. You'd probably have to appeal to the Commission; which would probably do the same thing, and then appeal to the Circuit Court. MAYBE SOME judges would give you a fair shake. But In Northern Va, I'd hate to have to count on it.

UP AGAINST THE WALL YOU REDNECK MOTHER!

[matthew03]

You wouldn't have violated a law unless you were employed at a location that firearm's and concealed carry was not allowed by law. You would have violated company policy and would more than likely be terminated.

This happened at a company I worked for a couple of years ago. Employee carried a loaded firearm into work where someone observed it and told management. Management called LE and tried to press charges, employee held a CCP and LE stated to employee, "I have no problem with you carrying a firearm at all," (LE pointed at HR manager), "but these people do." He was suspended, escorted from the building, and terminated later by phone.

[GmuGuy]

Getting terminated from your company for cause disqualifies you from obtaining unemployment benefits. And if your actions result with you ending up with felonious record, say good-bye to your CHP.

So my unsolicited advice to you, friend, is: don't even think about it.

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I don't think that's strictly true.

Last time I checked, the only thing that disqualified you for unemployment benefits was either that YOU QUIT VOLUNTARILY, or were terminated FOR MISCONDUCT.

Misconduct, according to precedents followed (allegedly) by the hearings offocers and deputies at the Va. Employment Commission, is the intentional failure to comply with standards of conduct an employer had a right to impose.

In the scenario posited above, the employer had no weapons policy. So, while the Employer had a right to impose a policy, it had not done so. Therefore, the employer should not be disqualified for benefits.

Good news for employee would be he could collect his benefits. Bad news would be he was nevertheless unemployed.

Moreover, it would not surprise me if a large percentage of hearings oficers and deputies would get bit by the political correctness serpent and deny the benefits in spite of what they SHOULD have done just because there was a GUN in the workplace. You'd probably have to appeal to the Commission; which would probably do the same thing, and then appeal to the Circuit Court. MAYBE SOME judges would give you a fair shake. But In Northern Va, I'd hate to have to count on it.

UP AGAINST THE WALL YOU REDNECK MOTHER!

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[mamabearCali]

It really really does stink bad. My husband has to walk through what could easily potentially be a dangerous part of Richmond each day, 5 blocks to and from his parking space. Business people are occasionally mugged and even assaulted from time to time even during daylight hours. He carries a pocket knife for protection (all his work will permit him). We have talked about getting him a super tiny super concealable mouse gun, but of course if he was found out he would be fired in a New York minute. It wears on us, because the time he MOST needs to carry his weapon he is forbidden by his company to do so. So what do you do? Do you carry a tiny weapon (better than your fists) concealed very deeply and pray you are never found out--or do you risk maiming and death on a daily basis to comply with a company policy. I don't know, we have not figured that out yet.

[jdonovan]

He carries a pocket knife for protection (all his work will permit him).
So what do you do?
Do you carry a tiny weapon (better than your fists) concealed very deeply and pray you are never found out--or do you risk maiming and death on a daily basis to comply with a company policy.

The downside of me violating my work-place polices are federal level charges, so no I comply very strictly with the policy.

However most company policies are silent with regards to Taser, and peeper sprays, collapsible batons etc... Don't ask for permission. If its not prohibited, then it must be permitted. AND TELL NO ONE at work you are carrying anything.

My pepper belt holster looks a lot like a celphone case. I'm fine with the public making a false assumption.

If the neighborhood is that rough... .

GET A NEW JOB. Loosing your life is not worth that paycheck.

First rule of surviving a confrontation is to not have one in the first place.

[mamabearCali]

[quote="jdonovan"
The downside of me violating my work-place polices are federal level charges, so no I comply very strictly with the policy.

However most company policies are silent with regards to Taser, and peeper sprays, collapsible batons etc... Don't ask for permission. If its not prohibited, then it must be permitted. AND TELL NO ONE at work you are carrying anything.

My pepper belt holster looks a lot like a celphone case. I'm fine with the public making a false assumption.

If the neighborhood is that rough... .

GET A NEW JOB. Loosing your life is not worth that paycheck.

First rule of surviving a confrontation is to not have one in the first place.[/quote]

Your first suggestions are good. I will re-mention to him the pepper spray and the tazer.

Now as for it being a rough neighborhood and getting a new job. I like that. Even if he was inclined to do so--not so easy these days. As for the roughness of the neighborhood it is a corporate downtown Richmond district. This being a VA forum perhaps you know the area. How many people work there, tens of thousands. The homeless population is also huge, because that is where the resources are. Most of them are harmless, but from time to time one of his co-workers is mugged in the daylight on the way to a car. It does not have to be a "rough" neighborhood to get mugged. My family was once mugged literally in front of the Smithsonian Natural History museam at 4pm--I was a young teen at the time did not know my dad carried a muggers wallet and I had no idea what was going on.

[jdonovan]

Your first suggestions are good. I will re-mention to him the pepper spray and the tazer.

In less than a month after putting it on my belt I used it twice.... both 4-legged pests.

Incident 1 the aggressor was weekly hit with pepper, and casually left the area. Convinced me to switch from a fog unit to a stream nozzle.

incident 2 aggressor was noticeably orange from mid-chest up to top of head in < 1 second. The effect was MUCH more obvious, and I could clearly tell it was in distress/discomfort from being sprayed.

Get an inert unit and practice before you carry it.

Also the threshold of use for pepper/taser is lower than for a firearm, so I'm still carrying both.... it provides options that having only a lethal option in the pocket would not.

[ProShooter]

However most company policies are silent with regards to Taser, and peeper sprays, collapsible batons etc... Don't ask for permission. If its not prohibited, then it must be permitted. AND TELL NO ONE at work you are carrying anything.

+1

I just taught a pepper spray class for a group of ladies who work the midnight shift in a 24 hour business and they are not allowed to carry firearms, but nothing else was addressed. They seem to have a problem with homeless folks coming in and using the restroom/sleeping/being disorderly in their store. Pepper spray is a great option.

[thekinetic]

I don't fear anyone unless they have a gun. I learned how to fight very young and it really doesn't take much to put someone in a lot of pain with your fists.

For one don't hit with your fingers, instead twist your wrist inward slightly as to hit them with your knuckles. Know your anatomy and hit vital points like the solar plexus, kidneys, temples, testicles/genitals, eyes, and where the neck meets the shoulder.

Grappling is often a good option especially if your opponant relies on their fists. Try to sweep their feet out from under them or otherwise put them off balance because once they go down it is pretty much over.

However if all this sounds like too much trouble you could always carry a straight razor, then go for the throat!

[Kreutz]

I don't fear anyone unless they have a gun. I learned how to fight very young and it really doesn't take much to put someone in a lot of pain with your fists.

Downside is though an untrained person is likely to inflict as much damage on their own hands. Most people instinctively try to punch their opponent in the face; a hard oddly shaped thing that can easily fracture the metacarpals.

However if all this sounds like too much trouble you could always carry a straight razor, then go for the throat!

You don't happen to be a criminal defense lawyer trying to drum up business do you?

[mamabearCali]

I don't fear anyone unless they have a gun. I learned how to fight very young and it really doesn't take much to put someone in a lot of pain with your fists.

Downside is though an untrained person is likely to inflict as much damage on their own hands. Most people instinctively try to punch their opponent in the face; a hard oddly shaped thing that can easily fracture the metacarpals.

However if all this sounds like too much trouble you could always carry a straight razor, then go for the throat!

You don't happen to be a criminal defense lawyer trying to drum up business do you?

OUCH! I have to agree--if you have to punch someone--don't hit them in the face. Unless you make good contact with the nose/eye you are just going to break your hand for nothing. There is a reason in self defense class we gave punches to the solar plex. It is softer on your hand and more effective even if you miss by an inch or two. You also have more power when you are punching straight out as opposed to up. However, I do not recommend hand to hand combat. Carry pepper spray--it will at least give a likely distraction for a moment or two for you to get away/get a better weapon.

[TenchCoxe]

According to the first link in the forum, if I CC to a restaurant and consume alcohol, I've commited a Class 2 Misdemeanor.

What if I carry where I'm not supposed to? For example, to my office since my employer has a no weapons policy?

When you say "where I'm not supposed to," there are various places you're "not supposed to" carry a gun.

For example, a school or school event; a church while services are being held; a courthouse.

In your specific example, as others have stated, simply carrying on private property that is not posted and has no published policy would not be illegal. But if your employer discovers your gun and tells you that you can't have it there, you would have to follow your employer's instructions.

If private property is posted or the property owner (or the owner's authorized agent) tells you to leave, and you don't, then you're trespassing.

[kps]

there are various places you're "not supposed to" carry a gun.

a church while services are being held

how about at church with preachers permission, with the preacher & several other members usually carrying as well. rural location, & services start at 7pm & usually ending towards midnight. only 1 outside light, & in sight of an apartment complex down hillside on road over which is a known bad drug area, & used to have lots of shootings, landlord has cleaned it up some in last few years, but still bad area.

have had several "guys" hassling the women folk, because theyre women, as well as begging for rides or money at near midnight. this Church opened officially last year, & not had any real incidents yet, but preacher said if a problem comes into service, he is going after & for us to back him up if necessary.

so I say it is a fine line, but we have just cause, I think? & at least 6 or 7 people carry including me, that I know of.