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A US Marine's view on weapons









No politics here; just a Marine with a bird's eye view opinion:

US Weapons:

1) The M-16 rifle:
Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it has jamming problems also.
They lack the ability to mount the various optical gunsights and weapons lights on the picatinny rails, but the weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock structure common over there and even torso hits can't be reliably counted on to put the enemy down.
Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents show a high level of opiate use.

2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light machine gun.
Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of poop. Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly (that's fun in the middle of a firefight).

3) The M9 Beretta 9mm:
Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: Bad guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.

4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun:
Works well, used frequently for clearing houses to good effect.

5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 NATO (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun, developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that was!!)
Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em down. Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round chews up the structure over there.

6) The M2 50 cal heavy machine gun:
Thumbs way, way up. "Ma Deuce" is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight stopper - puts their dicks in the dirt very time. The most coveted weapon in-theater.

7) The .45 pistol:
Thumbs up. Still the best pistol around out there. Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put 'em down with a torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work) use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model .45's are being re-issued en masse.

8) The M-14:
Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include lightweight Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.

9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle:
Thumbs way up. Spectacular range and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out vehicle suicide bombers (we actually stop a lot of them) and barricaded enemy. It is definitely here to stay.

10) The M24 sniper rifle:
Thumbs up. Mostly in .308 but some in 300 win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700's. Great performance. Snipers have been used heavily to great effect. Rumor has it a marine sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded (name removed) record for confirmed kills with OVER 100.

11) The new body armor:
Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx.. 6 lbs.and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as poop to wear, almost unbearable in the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also, the enemy now goes for head shots whenever possible. All the bullshit about the "old" body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was a non-starter. The IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at all in most cases.

12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment:
Thumbs way up. Spectacular performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very little enemy action after evening prayers.
More and more enemy being whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all seen the videos.

13) Lights:
Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights are Surefire's, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban operations.

Jordan carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and loved it. I can't help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and ordnance are 50 or more years old!! With all our technology, it's the WWII and Vietnam era weapons that everybody wants!! The infantry fighting is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or shown.

Bad guy weapons:
1) Mostly AK47's. The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in the desert than the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably. PKM belt fed light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily, the enemy mostly shoots like poop. Undisciplined "spray and pray" type fire.
However, they are seeing more and more precision weapons, especially sniper rifles. (Iran, again)


2) The RPG:
Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys. Simple, reliable and as common as dogshit. The enemy responded to our up-armored Humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank range. Still killing a lot of our guys.

3) The IED:
The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old Soviet anti-armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot found in Jordan's area were in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3 155 mm artillery shells and wire them together. Most were detonated by cell phone and the explosions are enormous. You're not safe in any vehicle, even an M1 tank. Driving is by far the most dangerous thing our guys do over there.. Lately, they are much more sophisticated "shape charges" (Iranian) specifically designed to penetrate armor. Fact: Most of the readymade IED's are supplied by Iran, who is also providing terrorists (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in their use and tactics. That's why the attacks have been so deadly lately. Their concealment methods are ingenious, the latest being shape charges, in Styrofoam containers spray painted to look like the cinderblocks
that litter all Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before they detonate, and the bomb disposal guys are unsung heroes of this war.

4) Mortars and rockets:
Very prevalent. The soviet era 122mm rockets (with an 18km range) are becoming more prevalent. One of Jordan's NCO's lost a leg to one. These weapons cause a lot of damage "inside the wire". Jordan's base was hit almost daily his entire time there by mortar and rocket fire, often at night to disrupt sleep patterns and cause fatigue (It did). More of a psychological weapon than anything else. The enemy mortar teams would jump out of vehicles, fire a few rounds, and then haul ass in a matter of seconds.

Fun fact:
Captured enemy have apparently marveled at the marksmanship of our guys and how hard they fight. They are apparently told in Jihad school that the Americans rely solely on technology, and can be easily beaten in close quarters combat for their lack of toughness. Let's just say they know better now.

Bad guy technology:
Simple yet effective. Most communication is by cell and satellite phones and also by email on laptops. They use handheld GPS units for navigation and "Google Earth" for overhead views of our positions. Their weapons are good, if not fancy, and prevalent. Their explosives and bomb technology is TOP OF THE LINE. Night vision is rare. They are very careless with their equipment and the captured GPS units and laptops are treasure troves of Intel when captured.

Who are the bad guys? Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They operate mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi).
These are mostly "foreigners" , non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the Muslim world (and Europe). Most enter Iraq through Syria (with, of course, the knowledge and complicity of the Syrian govt.), and then travel down the "rat line" which is the trail of towns along the Euphrates River that we've been hitting hard for the last few months.

Some are virtually untrained young Jihadists that often end up as suicide bombers or in various "sacrifice squads". Most, however, are hard core terrorists from all the usual suspects (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.). These are the guys running around murdering civilians en masse and cutting heads off.

The Chechens (many of whom are Caucasian) are supposedly the most ruthless and the best fighters. They have been fighting the Russians for years. In the Baghdad area and south, most of the insurgents are Iranian inspired (and led) Iraqi Shiites. The Iranian Shiia have been very adept at infiltrating the Iraqi local govt's, the police forces and the Army. They have had a massive spy and agitator network there since the Iran-Iraq war in the early 80's. Most of the Saddam loyalists were killed, captured, or gave up long ago.

Bad Guy Tactics: When they are engaged on an infantry level they get their asses kicked every time! Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type charges were very common earlier in the war and still occur. They will literally sacrifice 8-10 man teams in suicide squads by sending them screaming and firing AK's and RPG's directly at our bases just to probe the
defenses.
They get mowed down like grass every time (see the M2 and M240 above). Jordan's base was hit like this often.

When engaged, they have a tendency to flee to the same building, probably for what they think will be a glorious last stand. Instead, we call in air and that's the end of that more often than not. These hole-ups are referred to as Alpha Whiskey Romeo's (Allah's Waiting Room). We have the laser guided ground-air thing down to a science. The fast mover's,
mostly Marine F-18's, are taking an ever increasing toll on the enemy.

When caught out in the open, the helicopter gunships and AC-130 Spectre Gunships cut them to ribbons with cannon and rocket fire, especially at night. Interestingly, artillery is hardly used at all.

Fun facts:
The enemy death toll is supposedly between 45-50 thousand. That is why we're seeing less and less infantry attacks and more IED, suicide bomber poop. The new strategy is just simple: attrition.

The insurgent tactic most frustrating is their use of civilian non-combatants as cover. They know we do all we can to avoid civilian casualties and therefore schools, hospitals and especially Mosques are locations where they meet, stage for attacks, cache weapons, and ammo and flee to when engaged. They have absolutely no regard whatsoever for inflicting civilian casualties. They will terrorize locals and murder without hesitation anyone believed to be sympathetic to the Americans or the new Iraqi govt. Kidnapping of family members, especially children, is common to influence people they are trying to influence but can't reach, such as local govt. officials, clerics, tribal leaders, etc.

The first things our guys are told is "don't get captured". They know that if captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet.
Zarqawi openly offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live American serviceman. This motivates the criminal element who otherwise don't give a poop about the war. A lot of the beheading victims were actually kidnapped by common criminals and sold to Zarqawi.

As such, for our guys, every fight is to the death. Surrender is not an option. The Iraqi's are a mixed bag. Some fight well; others aren't worth a damn. Most do okay with American support.. Finding leaders is hard, but they are getting better.

It is widely viewed that Zarqawi's use of suicide bombers, en masse, against the civilian population was a serious tactical mistake. Many Iraqi's were galvanized and the caliber of recruits in the Army and the police forces went right up, along with their motivation. It also led to an exponential increase in good intel because the Iraqi's are sick of the insurgent attacks against civilians. The Kurds are solidly pro-American and fearless fighters..

Morale:
According to Jordan, morale among our guys is very high. They not only believe that they are winning, but that they are winning decisively.
They are stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom they almost universally view as against them. The embedded reporters are despised and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a rate of 20-1 and then see poop like "Are we losing in Iraq" on TV and the print media.

For the most part, they are satisfied with their equipment, food, and leadership. Bottom line though, and they all say this, is that there are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria. The Iranians and the Syrians just
can't stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally (with, of course, permanent US bases there).

Anyway, that's it, hope you found it interesting.

Loyalty, Honor and integrity are not catch words to be used to manipulate and intimidate others.

Loyalty, Honor and Integrity are both ways of life for a warrior.

Uncompromising and unwavering in his belief's no matter the consequences.

Determining his self worth.

"When it comes time to die,be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death.
Sing your song of death and die like a hero going home".-Chief Aupumut,Mohican


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Thanks for this. Any way we can get it into the "free" press? Probably rejected as a letter to the editor. Drudgereport.com?
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Great article Bill!!!!!
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Thanks for sharing, God bless our military.
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Re: #1 and #2 - in US weapons...

I've often wondered why a round deemed inadequate for deer would be deemed adequate for humans, especially those aiming to do you dirt. I know the whole 'soldier can carry more ammo' argument, but what good is more ammo if it's not getting the job done? Seems like there's a disconnect somewhere.


Don't get me wrong, I loves me some .223 for plinking, groundhogs, maybe even some 'yotes.
... but opiate hazed BGs???

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Good stuff Bill.

The Ma-deuce is a great weapon for dealing with everything from bunkers, vehicles, low slow aircraft and open troops (oops, cant go there...)

The M-60 a beautiful weapon? I hated that thing. Took two guys to run it and you had to coddle it like an old woman and another guy just to carry spare ammo cause it ate it so fast. Worked great until it got dry (then you better have the industrial size bottle of LSA handy) or overheated (then you better know how to deal with cook offs and have a spare barrel and asbetos glove handy) -- in between those 2 things (which were frequent if the SHTF) they worked fine... :whistle:

I once had a twit assistant gunner pull one that was cooking off into a fox hole while trying to break the belt...not fun...
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...

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You can't beat a 308 no matter what the big wig's say. Yes it is heavy compared to the 223 but that's what the hell get's the job done. As far as carrying more ammo you don't need more ammo if your round's will put um down. When I was in the Green Machine a combat load for each Marine was 200 rounds or 10 mags of 7.62X51 mags.

Let's see now you gain weight 168 grains compared to 55 to 70 grains and give up some speed. Speed of say 2650 f.P.S. or so for a .308 to say 3200 F.P.S. for the .223 a loss of about 400 feet per second or so and you give up the ability to put the bigger sectional density and foot pounds of kenetic energy of a .308 in a Rag Heads ass for a one shot kill as opposed to several or more from a .223 and leave him with the ability to push a button and make thing's go boom.
Yep when I was in the Marine's I started out as a 0311 ground pounder and at 17 year's old I was 6' feet tall and went all of 138 to 140 lbs. I made out all right with a combat load of 200 rounds for my M-14. Hell we have the same problem with the 9 M.M. versus the .45 A.C.P. it boils down to weight of the slug sectional denisity and kinectic energy. Right now all special Ops people have gone back to the 100 and some year old 45, YOU DON,T MESS WITH something that work's and a .45 will put them down , unlike a .
Sorry for the ran't

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SgtBill wrote:in a Rag Heads ass
Bill
...so, is that the same thing as a little Sheet Heads ass... :hysterical:
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...

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Ha ha!
Rant on Bill - We don't have puny ---ed firemen pulling garden hoses when the things fully involved,
and I don't recollect seeing many puny High Voltage linemen either...

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I tried to hold my tongue, but now I just can't hold it any more, so here goes:

1. The M16/M4 family- yes it can jam, but it is not as bad as made out to be. No weapon performs perfectly in a desert environment, they all need maintenance. As for the Picatinny rails, all M16A4 and almost all M4s have flat-top uppers and top, bottom and 2 side rails where the handguards on the M16A1/A2s. If you have an A2 over there you can have a carrying handle adapter and an M68 Close Combat Optic over the handguard or mounted on rails that replace the handguard, not perfect but it works. Most of the people equipped with them never leave the FOB. As for lack of penetration, yes the 5.56 doesn't penetrate the block used in Iraq on the 1st round. The block over there is not hollow core like here, but solid concrete, about 65 to 70 pounds a piece. the 7.62 from the M240 takes multiple hits to get through too, the .50 doesn't have any problems with it. As for mounting optics the Marines run ACOGs on their M16A4s, the Army runs Aimpoint M68 CCOs on their M4s, at longer range the Marines have the edge. In close quarters battle the Army has the advantage.

2. M249 SAW- not M243 and is the Squad Automatic Weapon. It is a belt fed weapon that feeds ammo from a plastic box that clips under the gun. Because it is intended to be lightweight and an individual weapon, use it as intended and it is very effective. Actually a whole lot more reliable than the old M60, unfortunately it will overheat with the wrong operator behind the stock. it is too easy to put 400 rounds through it in 2 minutes. Most of the jams are caused by lack of maintenance and somebody trying to use an M16 magazine in it. That feature was intended for emergency use and never has worked very well.

5. The M240- As originally known was the FN MAG58, an FN design from 1958 that originally competed with the M60 (originally M1960) for the GPMG role in the US Army. It wasn't designed by Americans, so it lost to a less durable design. The M60 was a maintenance hog, The M240 will run until it melts down. Yes, the US Military started using it as a co-axial machinegun with the M1 Abrams tank and the Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles, but it has been in use by other countries longer than the M60 was. We finally got it right 30 years later.

7. The M1911 .45 Pistol- The only folks who are getting any of them are from the Spec-Ops crowd, and that includes the Army SF Navy Seals and Marine Force Recon. Regular troops will continue to carry the Beretta M9.

8. The M14- Although a good design, isn't being issued because it was the best, it is being issued because it was available in numbers. Like the M60 when the M14 is accurized (M21/ M25), it is a maintenance hog. When it was originally being selected, it competed against a rifle that became known as the FN FAL. If it is such a great weapon, why was the FAL adopted by so many nations and the M14 is compared to the Krag-Jorgensen?

10. The M24 and the M40 Sniper Rifles- both are based on the Remington 700, solid performers and are being upgraded in the near future. the M24 is used by the Army and the M40 by the Marines. A recent addition to sniper community is the M110 a 7.62 MM Knights Armament rifle which from a distance looks like a slightly oversized M16 family weapon.

As for the technology the enemy is using, I won't elaborate on it on website like this, because I believe discussing it may assist the enemy in improving his tactics and techniques. Just understand that at this point the fight is shifting. More soldiers are getting injured in Iraq from vehicle accidents than IEDs. Now the focusis shifting to Afghanastan and hopefully the surge there will have the same kind of effect that it had in Iraq.
You just have to ask yourself, is he telling you the truth based on knowledge and experience or spreading internet myths?
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grumpyMSG wrote:I tried to hold my tongue, but now I just can't hold it any more, so here goes:

1. The M16/M4 family- yes it can jam, but it is not as bad as made out to be. No weapon performs perfectly in a desert environment, they all need maintenance. As for the Picatinny rails, all M16A4 and almost all M4s have flat-top uppers and top, bottom and 2 side rails where the handguards on the M16A1/A2s. If you have an A2 over there you can have a carrying handle adapter and an M68 Close Combat Optic over the handguard or mounted on rails that replace the handguard, not perfect but it works. Most of the people equipped with them never leave the FOB. As for lack of penetration, yes the 5.56 doesn't penetrate the block used in Iraq on the 1st round. The block over there is not hollow core like here, but solid concrete, about 65 to 70 pounds a piece. the 7.62 from the M240 takes multiple hits to get through too, the .50 doesn't have any problems with it. As for mounting optics the Marines run ACOGs on their M16A4s, the Army runs Aimpoint M68 CCOs on their M4s, at longer range the Marines have the edge. In close quarters battle the Army has the advantage.

2. M249 SAW- not M243 and is the Squad Automatic Weapon. It is a belt fed weapon that feeds ammo from a plastic box that clips under the gun. Because it is intended to be lightweight and an individual weapon, use it as intended and it is very effective. Actually a whole lot more reliable than the old M60, unfortunately it will overheat with the wrong operator behind the stock. it is too easy to put 400 rounds through it in 2 minutes. Most of the jams are caused by lack of maintenance and somebody trying to use an M16 magazine in it. That feature was intended for emergency use and never has worked very well.

5. The M240- As originally known was the FN MAG58, an FN design from 1958 that originally competed with the M60 (originally M1960) for the GPMG role in the US Army. It wasn't designed by Americans, so it lost to a less durable design. The M60 was a maintenance hog, The M240 will run until it melts down. Yes, the US Military started using it as a co-axial machinegun with the M1 Abrams tank and the Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles, but it has been in use by other countries longer than the M60 was. We finally got it right 30 years later.

7. The M1911 .45 Pistol- The only folks who are getting any of them are from the Spec-Ops crowd, and that includes the Army SF Navy Seals and Marine Force Recon. Regular troops will continue to carry the Beretta M9.

8. The M14- Although a good design, isn't being issued because it was the best, it is being issued because it was available in numbers. Like the M60 when the M14 is accurized (M21/ M25), it is a maintenance hog. When it was originally being selected, it competed against a rifle that became known as the FN FAL. If it is such a great weapon, why was the FAL adopted by so many nations and the M14 is compared to the Krag-Jorgensen?

10. The M24 and the M40 Sniper Rifles- both are based on the Remington 700, solid performers and are being upgraded in the near future. the M24 is used by the Army and the M40 by the Marines. A recent addition to sniper community is the M110 a 7.62 MM Knights Armament rifle which from a distance looks like a slightly oversized M16 family weapon.

As for the technology the enemy is using, I won't elaborate on it on website like this, because I believe discussing it may assist the enemy in improving his tactics and techniques. Just understand that at this point the fight is shifting. More soldiers are getting injured in Iraq from vehicle accidents than IEDs. Now the focusis shifting to Afghanastan and hopefully the surge there will have the same kind of effect that it had in Iraq.
AMEN. Thanks for your service and input.
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Ok, Grumpy
I got your point and rant. I did not write the article but I thought it would make a good post for thoses that don't see anything like this in the media.If your knowledge is in fact more up to date then so be it at least the people on this board are better informed now with your addition.

I do believe that I did say that most special op's were carrying some type of .45 cal. platform at this point for knock down power as opposed to the little 9 MM. As far as the M-14 is concerned I would still carry it. It worked well for me. I did not play in the dust and dirt that our people have to survive in with the weapons that they are now issued. I played in the Jungle's of South East Asia for 27 mos. and 12 day's.
It is a diffrent type of war at a diffrent time in our history, trust me I wish we had some of the new type of equipment that is now avaliable.

Please don't think that I am upset with your post I am not. I find it very informative.
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Good to see another person agree that the old 60 is a maintenance hog. Great weapon when it ran smooth but required constant babying...and 2 guys to run a gun like that is a waste of manpower IMHO...
No more catchy slogans for me...I am simply fed up...4...four...4...2+2...

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