RT Editorial: Gun lobby looks ahead

[OakRidgeStars]

http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/233056

With Kaine's veto pen gone, gun lovers will be working harder to relax gun restrictions in Virginia.

Virginia's gun lobby has reason to celebrate as it prepares for a promising legislative session.

For the first time in years, gun lovers won't have to fear that hard-won bills will face a governor's veto pen. Gov.-elect Bob McDonnell is a favorite of the National Rifle Association, and it's unlikely he'll disappoint.

The Virginia Citizens Defense League is preparing to push a number of pro-gun bills, including several that fell to Gov. Tim Kaine's veto pen in past years. They'll begin the lobbying push with an event at the capital on Monday, Martin Luther King Day. Any irony in holding a push to weaken gun laws on a day honoring a civil rights leader slain by a bullet is either lost on this crowd or intentional.

Among the bills VCDL will be pushing: a repeal of the ban on carrying concealed weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol, a repeal of the one-gun-a-month purchase limit, and "streamlining" the application process for concealed permits by allowing applications by mail and eliminating any fingerprinting requirements imposed by localities.

Kaine vetoed the first two last year. The third appears to be an extension of a bill that passed over Kaine's veto, allowing concealed carry permit applicants to demonstrate their competence with a handgun by taking an online course. The goal appears to be to make it as easy as possible for anyone to get a concealed carry permit while making it as difficult as possible for localities issuing the permits to conduct thorough background checks.

In recent years, Senate Democrats and moderate Republicans have been able to pander to the card-carrying NRA members among their constituents. They could approve bills they probably knew were unwise, secure in the knowledge that Kaine would veto the worst.

They no longer have that safety net. They must be prepared to stand up to the gun lobby themselves and cast some tough votes.

Virginia, for the most part, has sound gun laws that are not overly restrictive. These laws do not need to be relaxed.

There's little hope that laws will be tightened where it could do some good, such as the so-called gun-show loophole. But moderates should work to keep the worst ideas for loosening them from reaching the governor's desk.

[wylde007]

The Roanoke Times employs Dan Casey.

I have nothing further.

[Reverenddel]

The Roanoke Times, and The Fredericksbug Star...

Toilet paper holds more information, and a better smell, than those two rags.

[VBshooter]

Throw in The Virginia Pilot and we have a Hat Trick of anti gun sentiment \

[ThatSickRip]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the "so-called gun-show loophole"?

[gunderwood]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the "so-called gun-show loophole"?

Assuming you're actually serious and not being sarcastic.

VA allows for private citizens to sell or buy firearms from another VA resident with out a background check. This is legal anywhere in the state, but the anti-gun lobby focuses on gun shows in the hopes of misleading the public and restricting our rights.

[graybeard321]

How many progun papers can you name.
following is from the AP.

"A former friend of a young Bethesda man facing sentencing for having bomb-making chemicals says the man "intensely disliked" President Barack Obama and plotted to assassinate him.

Sentencing resumed Friday in U.S. District Court for 20-year-old Collin McKenzie-Gude, who pleaded guilty in September.

Eighteen-year-old Patrick Yevsukov testified that McKenzie-Gude disliked then-presidential candidate Obama's views on firearms possession and was afraid of losing his guns if Obama was elected and enacted "sweeping" gun control laws. "

They never miss a chance to make us all look like out of control nut jobs. The liberal press figures if they keep doing this it will enable the government to take our guns.

[GS78]

http://www.poa-iss.org/KIT/KIT.aspx



Thats not the only ones looking ahead..... this link opens up pdf files from the UN, about the implementation of several different plans to confiscate and destroy small arms and ammunition. All members who sign on to the "small arms treaty" which Mrs. Clinton has said we would, will be required to imnplement these same plans as part of the treaty. I myself have not read these because this old ass win98 wont open pdf's, so I submit the link unaware of exactly whats in them, but I will say the titles alone are disurbing enough.....maybe some one could follow up on these and report back to the thread or open a new thread.......

[CCFan]

I myself have not read these because this old ass win98 wont open pdf's

Here's a neat trick for ya -

Get the link to the actual PDF file - Go to the link you sent, and copy the link to the actual PDF file -

Then go to Google and paste in the link to the PDF file... Search "google" for that specific link, and under the header, you should see a link that says "View as HTML" - no need to open up PDF file, Google lets you read it as a normal web page.... Now you don't have to rely on second-hand reading.

[zephyp]

http://www.poa-iss.org/KIT/KIT.aspx



Thats not the only ones looking ahead..... this link opens up pdf files from the UN, about the implementation of several different plans to confiscate and destroy small arms and ammunition. All members who sign on to the "small arms treaty" which Mrs. Clinton has said we would, will be required to imnplement these same plans as part of the treaty. I myself have not read these because this old ass win98 wont open pdf's, so I submit the link unaware of exactly whats in them, but I will say the titles alone are disurbing enough.....maybe some one could follow up on these and report back to the thread or open a new thread.......

Yes but treaties require ratification of the senate by a 2/3 majority. The happy liberals dont got that for something like this.

[gunderwood]

How many progun papers can you name.
following is from the AP.

"A former friend of a young Bethesda man facing sentencing for having bomb-making chemicals says the man "intensely disliked" President Barack Obama and plotted to assassinate him.

Sentencing resumed Friday in U.S. District Court for 20-year-old Collin McKenzie-Gude, who pleaded guilty in September.

Eighteen-year-old Patrick Yevsukov testified that McKenzie-Gude disliked then-presidential candidate Obama's views on firearms possession and was afraid of losing his guns if Obama was elected and enacted "sweeping" gun control laws. "

They never miss a chance to make us all look like out of control nut jobs. The liberal press figures if they keep doing this it will enable the government to take our guns.

Exactly.

Here's a thought for you. We are punishing people for simply thinking (planning) of commiting a crime. In this case, the defendants "plotted," which could mean all kinds of things. This case aside, the point is that you can be jailed for only thinking of a crime. Inconsistent with Common Law, but that is a bigger discussion. This idea of law enforcement grows out of the way we tracked down the mob bosses; conspiracy to commit a crime. The problem is once we started down this slippery slope, we have now sent valid machine gun dealers to jail for simply discussing how an automatic firearm works at a gun show. No intent to manufacture one, just simply curiosity...the simple act of transfering knowledge is now illegal because they "conspired to break the NFA laws" (which is really just a tax law and the only reason the Supreme Court didn't strike it down when it was challenged. A dangerous path I think.

Food for thought...

[ThatSickRip]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the "so-called gun-show loophole"?

Assuming you're actually serious and not being sarcastic.

VA allows for private citizens to sell or buy firearms from another VA resident with out a background check. This is legal anywhere in the state, but the anti-gun lobby focuses on gun shows in the hopes of misleading the public and restricting our rights.

No sarcasm, just curiosity. Thanks for the info!

[gunderwood]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the "so-called gun-show loophole"?

Assuming you're actually serious and not being sarcastic.

VA allows for private citizens to sell or buy firearms from another VA resident with out a background check. This is legal anywhere in the state, but the anti-gun lobby focuses on gun shows in the hopes of misleading the public and restricting our rights.

No sarcasm, just curiosity. Thanks for the info!

No problem. The law puts responsibility on the seller to make sure the person they intend to sell the firearm too can legally own it. I.e. not a felon, no drugs, resident of VA, of legal age, etc. This responsibility exists regardless if you are at a gun show or not. Philosophically, it exists regardless of what the law says; e.g. to purposefully transfer a firearm to someone you know is likely to use it for violence (non-justifiable of course, e.g. self-defence is justifiable) is to indirectly harm your fellow citizen. The law simply allows for the seller/buyer to be punished if they do such a transfer.

There is an underlying question of private property at stake here. If you truly own the firearm, private property, should you be restricted from selling it to anther lawful VA resident? Like I said earlier, you can do this outside of a gun show too, but by focusing on gun shows, the anti-gun crowd wishes to deceive the public that something special and awful is allowed to happen there. It isn't an outright lie, but it is deception (morally the same thing in Christianity, but technically different).