Maybe Obama is right.....

[GS78]

Obama said we need to change America.

The Senate is in session a week before Christmas, thats a change. They have been meeting on Saturdays and Sundays, thats a change.

There have been certain Democrat Senators holding the American people hostage and demanding payola for themselves and their constituients at the price of hundreds of millions of dollars....well thats the same old poop.

I am thinking it really is time for wholesale change to come to America.
I am thinking its time for a reckoning.
I am thinking the only way to solve this problem of representatives who willingly and knowingly thumb their nose at the MAJORITY of American people to build their own power with the dumbass masses, is to literally and physically remove these degenerates by force if necessary.
I think this is the "change" that is coming to America.
I have watched as the congress of the United States has REJECTED the will of the people again and again since Obama was placed on the throne.

This country is fast becoming a third world nation.
People who are unemployed have reached another milestone....they are remaining unemployed for longer periods of time than has happened in over forty years in this country while SOME Senators are being paid off to the tune of hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.
I believe that this midnight healthscare vote will be the proverbial 'straw' that breaks the back of the American people and possibly the American spirit.

I believe that We the people have been walked out to the very end of the plank.

[zephyp]

Yes obama brought massive change. He changed every campaign promise he made. Every one of them he changed and did the exact opposite. Thats "change we can all believe in." And "yes we can" vote him and his socialist cronies out of office.

IMHO this health care reform will not be the straw at least not immediately. They fixed it so the full impact wont be felt for a couple of years thinking that people will forget. I think amnesty for illegal aliens will be the big one and passing it (or maybe even just trying to pass it) will raise the immediate and irrevocable ire of the American people. Just my $0.02.

[TheGodfather]

the dumbass masses

There's your problem.

The government has successfully dumbed down the masses through public education for the past 50 years or so. Voters vote according to how they think. If the government has taught the public how to think, then how do you think the public will vote?

[VBshooter]

Eventually they will go to far,, IMHO ,they are keeping unemployment up and job creation low to add to their bait and switch.. People have a hard time concentrating when they wonder if they'll be able to pay a mortgage, eat daily, and other basic things...No jobs makes for a great distraction to the unbeleivable arrogance and combined stupidity of Congress and other useless appointees. This may not be the big one yet, but it is very close, very close indeed...

[GS78]

This scam bill on healthcare will incorporate the illegal alien, immigration topic and swallow it whole. Once we as taxpayers are forced to provide healthcare for every person regardless of origin, all will become one....its a marxist mantra that is as old as the sun.

[zephyp]

Eventually they will go to far,, IMHO ,they are keeping unemployment up and job creation low to add to their bait and switch.. People have a hard time concentrating when they wonder if they'll be able to pay a mortgage, eat daily, and other basic things...No jobs makes for a great distraction to the unbeleivable arrogance and combined stupidity of Congress and other useless appointees. This may not be the big one yet, but it is very close, very close indeed...

You know it seems to me I've heard this kind of ideology somewhere before. Let me think for a moment....hmmm...thinking hard now...uh was it commie doctrine?? Yes !! Thats it. Keep the people worried about how they are going to feed themselves and they wont pay any attention to the silent take over of their government, their country, and their freedoms.

[Username]

This is no different than the cap and trade vote on the day Michael Jackson died. Our government has become "professionally shady". We have senators PUBLICLY selling their committee votes for state funding.

$300 million in state funding to one senator just to vote to have the health care bill continued, so your tax dollars were just spent to continue a debate on what the majority of the American people consider a BAD idea?

(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12 ... alth-care/)

First cap and trade day of MJ death vote
Second health care reform midnight vote Christmas Eve

Did you know Obama even used his own leftover campaign contributions to finance ads promoting his health care plan?

Why is our government paying to promote ANYTHING? Shouldn't it be something we want, so overwhelmingly, that we beg our gov't for it?

No we don't want it because any educated person can see HR-whateveritisnow is a STUPID idea. The congress has even put in a opt out clause for themselves, to continue using private "exempt" physicians.

Obama & the senate are selling our country down the river and we're too busy trying to scrape to pay our mortgages to get up and do something about it.

[zephyp]

Hi username. Remember that they "won" so we losers must suffer. I'll be thinking about that next Nov when they lose their precious jobs and power. My take on cap and tax and health care is that the liberals want to be able to say 3 things. A couple days ago it was 2 but now I've seen another one:

1 - we saved millions of American lives
2 - we saved the planet
3 - we made history (the new one and it applies to both issues)

Next up - amnesty for illegal aliens

[Paliden]

Hi username. Remember that they "won" so we losers must suffer. I'll be thinking about that next Nov when they lose their precious jobs and power. My take on cap and tax and health care is that the liberals want to be able to say 3 things. A couple days ago it was 2 but now I've seen another one:

1 - we saved millions of American lives
2 - we saved the planet
3 - we made history (the new one and it applies to both issues)

Next up - amnesty for illegal aliens

NO NO NO not illegal aliens, they were illegal voters who will NOW BE LEGAL VOTERS.
Next Nov will determine the next road we take, God be with us.

[GS78]

I am confident that most of you have read this before, but so did I, and I re-read it this morning, and this time it seemed more "reasonable"........







http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl/prepare- ... nrest.html

[Username]

What good are our votes when we have retirement homes voting via Acorn? Nobody can keep their hands clean in this fight. I agree with the OP, something has to be done about our country.

Perhaps we'll have a straight shooter candidate who will put our country back on the right track, but I'm pretty sure the political King Herods out there strangle those candidates as young as they can.

I've considered getting a bit more radical about politics, but you have to really be prepared to lose friends, family and loved ones over it.

The simple truth of the matter however is I can't let someone be in my life who believes in something that will bring REAL harm to MY family.

I think we all need to take a look at how what our government is doing really effects us.

I know for me, here is how it breaks down:

1. Health Care

As a small business owner, my cost of doing business will go up astronomically due to the HR35-XX. I already provide benefits to +/- 10 people (employees & spouses) who I am not obligated to provide them to as an employer. When the premiums rise because insurers have to navigate the political morass of public health care, you can rest assured those costs are going to be passed on to me, the small business owner. Things are tight already, and the increased costs of coverage will either lead to me withdrawing coverage for people, laying off employees, or closing my doors entirely.

2. Obama & the Estate Tax

President-elect Barack Obama and congressional leaders plan to move soon to block the estate tax from disappearing in 2010... - Wall Street Journal Online

I grew up on a farm. I want my kids to grow up on that same farm. When my father passes away, I may lose that farm if Obama returns the estate tax to Clinton administration levels. I could be faced with selling half the acreage we have now to pay the taxes to keep the other half.

3. Gun Ownership

I don't have to tell you this, just look at what Obama did in Illinois. You know this only so true.

I pose this question to you:

Would you open the door of your house to a criminal? Someone who would rob you? Would you invite them in and ask them to help themselves to the things you have worked so hard for?

The bottom line I am beginning to see myself faced with is that I am forced to make people realize I am serious about our government and it's choices. If that means excluding them from my life if they don't realize that their votes are costing my family and friends their jobs, their lives, and their non-impoverished existence then I may have to start making these tough choices.

[zephyp]

I am confident that most of you have read this before, but so did I, and I re-read it this morning, and this time it seemed more "reasonable"........

http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl/prepare- ... nrest.html

Great site for us to book mark - the tin-foil crowd that is. BUT WAIT, my guess is the TF crowd is growing by leaps and bounds.

[VBshooter]

username wrote "The bottom line I am beginning to see myself faced with is that I am forced to make people realize I am serious about our government and it's choices. If that means excluding them from my life if they don't realize that their votes are costing my family and friends their jobs, their lives, and their non-impoverished existence then I may have to start making these tough choices" The decisions should never be tough where it concerns you and yours,, The ones that would seek to influence or misdirect you are easily left by the wayside when you truly weigh your freedoms vs their rhetoric. Forget about them and move on!!

[bzybee08]

The government has successfully dumbed down the masses through public education for the past 50 years or so. Voters vote according to how they think. If the government has taught the public how to think, then how do you think the public will vote?

You mean each government has continued the trend to brain wash the population over 50 years?

That is a cop out. The current problem is that the population has become lazy. They get their news from local media and 30 second sound bites. I wonder how many of the average people would ever hear a sound bite about x voting against cancer screens for women and actually research it themselves? to find of course that it was attached to a military spending bill which was insufficient and needed review.

When you group up all the types of voters, there is probably a very low percentage of people who really research the issues and the candidate and votes according to what they find. Most people appear to not care much about anything as long as they can buy their Chinese made 72" TV and drive their Japanese made SUV's using up the Arab produce oil. Put a war tax on guns, bullets, beer, cigarettes and TV's and we would have been out of Iraq in 6 months.

The other issue within the US is the size of a darn country. People living in New York city will rarely vote the same as those in the mid-west. There will always be division. The trouble is that the division has increased significantly over the last 9 years.

People talk about a civil unrest, but those who are unhappy right now are not the masses in the cities. The unrest is not united across the country.

[zephyp]

That is a cop out. The current problem is that the population has become lazy. They get their news from local media and 30 second sound bites. I wonder how many of the average people would ever hear a sound bite about x voting against cancer screens for women and actually research it themselves?

IMHO this is exactly the problem. We see the finger pointing all the time from both sides. The ones who are at fault are us. We have sat back on our laurels for too long. We the people only tend to get upset and speak out only when their is a crisis. We can no longer afford to do that. Our Founders wanted us to have control of the government. Why else did they write in the 2nd Amendment. We the people are charged with putting the right folks in office and then holding an axe over their head - DAILY - to make sure they dont run amok. We have failed miserably in our duties.

[bzybee08]

I am not sure the 2nd Amendment was written to allow the people to overthrow a duly elected government by a majority

.. but I am not a US historian, so might be wrong

[WildBill44]

The Founding Fathers included the Second Amendment to give the citizens a way to deal with a tyrannical regime as well as to defend ourselves and families. The Second Amendment is the ONLY guarantee for the rest of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

AND, there remains a HUGE question as to whether the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania is eligible to the office....so...we do NOT have a "duly elected" government in this equation. What we have is a Marxist/Socialist/Communist usurper who is out to destroy our nation, our freedom and our way of life. It is THIS we have a duty and obligation to rise up against and reclaim our nation!

[bzybee08]

The Founding Fathers included the Second Amendment to give the citizens a way to deal with a tyrannical regime as well as to defend ourselves and families. The Second Amendment is the ONLY guarantee for the rest of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

AND, there remains a HUGE question as to whether the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania is eligible to the office....so...we do NOT have a "duly elected" government in this equation. What we have is a Marxist/Socialist/Communist usurper who is out to destroy our nation, our freedom and our way of life. It is THIS we have a duty and obligation to rise up against and reclaim our nation!

.. and what if say 51% of the people disagree with you? or even 45%? Do the you still rise up to 'reclaim the nation'?

I think more freedoms were removed under 8 years of Bush.. I did not see anyone rising up when it was found that the government was listening in and copying ever single piece of information being transmitted within the US. Or that they passed an Act that took away more 'rights' than any other act in US history.

Claiming that Obama is out to destroy the country will not get people who do not agree with you to listen because the very notion is absured without at least a basis of comprehension of what he has done towards that goal.

You don't convince people that the world is going to end by telling them the world is ending.. Instead you tell them that barley and hops will die out in 10 years due no more pollination because the government canceled funding for bee research to pay for new healthcare for illegals. No beer = end of world.

[zephyp]

The Founding Fathers included the Second Amendment to give the citizens a way to deal with a tyrannical regime as well as to defend ourselves and families. The Second Amendment is the ONLY guarantee for the rest of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

AND, there remains a HUGE question as to whether the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania is eligible to the office....so...we do NOT have a "duly elected" government in this equation. What we have is a Marxist/Socialist/Communist usurper who is out to destroy our nation, our freedom and our way of life. It is THIS we have a duty and obligation to rise up against and reclaim our nation!

I hear ya, but one thing we do not advocate here is the forceful overthrow of the government...not a good thing to do. And, I do agree that our Founders put in the 2A for this reason but IMO its the nuclear option. That is its a deterrent. We dont want to use it but as long as we have it - it serves the intended purpose.

[smc331]

I hear ya, but one thing we do not advocate here is the forceful overthrow of the government...not a good thing to do. And, I do agree that our Founders put in the 2A for this reason but IMO its the nuclear option. That is its a deterrent. We dont want to use it but as long as we have it - it serves the intended purpose.

Amen, Brother DK!

Spoken (written) like a True Patriot!