National Concealed Carry Reciprocity, H.R. 38

[MarcSpaz]

So, some bill that enacts national concealed carry reciprocity has passed the House and Senate every year for the last 6 years. However, Obama vetoed the bill every time. Congress couldn't muster enough votes for a veto override.

Today, National Concealed Carry Reciprocity, H.R. 38, cleared the House Judiciary Committee in Congress by a 19 to 11 vote! Now it heads to the House Floor.

Trump said if this hits his desk, he will sign it! If you haven't contacted your Representative in support of H.R. 38, now would be a good time!

[Viper21]

Love to see it happen. It's ridiculous that some states can prevent you from defending yourself. The cases of travelers being harassed, & charged in NY, NJ, MD, etc... is insane as well.

As a side note. I would be willing to bet (this might be a stretch), that tourism would increase in states that have been hostile to CC. I know in my own life, I would be more willing to take my wife to see NYC (she's never been) knowing we could defend ourselves.

When travelling cross country (I have family in Utah), I NEVER stop in Illinois because of their non reciprocity. I refuse to give them 1 cent of fuel tax, or sales tax

I've always wanted to drive through New England. Being able to defend myself on the entire trip & not having to worry about being charged with a crime for such, would probably make that happen.

I can not be the only one that this would affect in a positive way.....

[Hammer]

Your comment makes me wonder for you can carry while traveling through a non- carry state if you don’t get out.

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[Hammer]

Your comment makes me wonder for you can carry while traveling through a non- carry state if you don’t get out.

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[Viper21]

Your comment makes me wonder for you can carry while traveling through a non- carry state if you don’t get out.

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Nope. Better check that non-carry states' laws on transporting a firearm through their state.

There have been accusations of some states, Maryland comes to mind.... running VA plates to see if drivers are CC holders.

Get pulled over in Illinois, NJ, NY, etc... with your edc on you & no reciprocity..... bet you'll have a bad day. Which is exactly why we NEED national reciprocity.

[Swampman]

Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

This bill amends the federal criminal code to allow a qualified individual to carry a concealed handgun into or possess a concealed handgun in another state that allows individuals to carry concealed firearms.

A qualified individual must: (1) be eligible to possess, transport, or receive a firearm under federal law; (2) carry a valid photo identification document; and (3) carry a valid concealed carry permit issued by, or be eligible to carry a concealed firearm in, his or her state of residence.

Additionally, the bill specifies that a qualified individual who lawfully carries or possesses a concealed handgun in another state: (1) is not subject to the federal prohibition on possessing a firearm in a school zone, and (2) may carry or possess the concealed handgun in federally owned lands that are open to the public.

This says CC is okay as long as the other state (New Jersey, Illinois, etc.) allows individuals to carry concealed firearms. This language is, at the very least, vague and IMHO does not address the issue. If it said CC was legal in all 50 states regardless of state law, then we'd be doing something. It does not seem to say that. So why the happiness?

[Viper21]

Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

This bill amends the federal criminal code to allow a qualified individual to carry a concealed handgun into or possess a concealed handgun in another state that allows individuals to carry concealed firearms.

A qualified individual must: (1) be eligible to possess, transport, or receive a firearm under federal law; (2) carry a valid photo identification document; and (3) carry a valid concealed carry permit issued by, or be eligible to carry a concealed firearm in, his or her state of residence.

Additionally, the bill specifies that a qualified individual who lawfully carries or possesses a concealed handgun in another state: (1) is not subject to the federal prohibition on possessing a firearm in a school zone, and (2) may carry or possess the concealed handgun in federally owned lands that are open to the public.

This says CC is okay as long as the other state (New Jersey, Illinois, etc.) allows individuals to carry concealed firearms. This language is, at the very least, vague and IMHO does not address the issue. If it said CC was legal in all 50 states regardless of state law, then we'd be doing something. It does not seem to say that. So why the happiness?

I believe ALL states, & DC "allow" CC in some form. The only difference is how difficult it is to obtain (shall issue vs may issue). This law would prevent states like Illinois, NJ, etc... from denying reciprocity with other states. At least that is MY interpretation.....

According to USA Carry https://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carr ... _maps.html

[wittmeba]

As Swampman indicates the words are vague. Just as we have here amongst the posters are varying interpretations of the words. There will be the same induced by Law Enforcement in each state.

I think we and they know the intent of CC and it is NOT ambiguous. But when someone is attempting to prevent or destroy the law it gets messy and is only dangerous to those of us who want to CC.

[Viper21]

Well.... there's no doubt imo that it doesn't matter how the law is written. Once signed, a lawsuit will be filed by Bloomberg & others. Ultimately, it will be decided by the supreme court.

If you go back to the specifics of the Obamacare case a few years back. There were many at the time stating, the precedent being used would open the door for national reciprocity.

My point is..... Even if fast tracked through congress, NR wont REALLY be the law of the land until the Supreme Court affirms it. I'm sure that will take some time....

[Swampman]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Not bad for a pessimist!

[Viper21]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Not bad for a pessimist!

Which is exactly where I'm at.

I never had ANY hope of this becoming law the last few times it came up. At least this time there is SOME hope.

Would be a huge victory for gun owners, & CC'ers who travel. I really believe an unintended consequence would be an economical boost for some of the most liberal places in our country. I can't be alone in my refusal to travel to places where I cannot defend myself & family. I'm sure this would affect a number of people.

[Swampman]

I can't be alone in my refusal to travel to places where I cannot defend myself & family.

You are not alone.

[Viper21]

From what I've read, this is coming to a vote on the house floor tomorrow (6 Dec). While not a perfect bill, I hope it passes as it's a step in the right direction

[Jon]

As I've said on other forums there are already Federal laws on the books that some states blatently ignore. You can bet the farm the same will hold true with this bill in a handful of states, you know which ones I'm talking about.

You'd still be crazy to CC in any of those unless you like jail, courts and losing money.

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[Viper21]

Passed in the House 231-198

On to the Senate where I'm sure it will be a tougher battle......

[SHMIV]

More on this topic:

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/282742/#respond

From the link:

"Some people are arguing that Congress lacks the power to do this under the Commerce Clause...<snip>...But Congress also has the power to provide for the arming of the militia, and this should qualify under that."

Well, considering that it's unconstitutional to require citizens to beg permission and pay a fee to exercise rights...

And from the link within the link:


"Rep. Elizabeth Esty, D-Conn. ... called the bill an 'outrage'...'This will should be called the Act to Carry Any Gun, Anywhere, Any Time, by Anyone,' she said."

We already have "Carry any gun, anywhere, anytime, by anyone" act; it's called "The Second Amendment of the Unted States Constitution". Pretty much any law on the books, pertaining to weaponry, is in violation of it.

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[MarcSpaz]

Now we need to reach out to the Senate and tell them we want this passed! We must demand that it be voted on.

I sent this to Tim Kaine and Mark Warner...

Senator <Warner/Kaine>,
I am writing you today with regard to any Bill before the Senate, including but not limited to, House Bill H.R.38 - Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017. H.R.38 has passed the House of Representatives and will be moving to the Senate for a vote. I am requesting that you support any Bill that supports National reciprocity, including H.R.38.

From a historical prospective, this is the seventh consecutive year a like Bill has passed through the House of Representatives. Additionally, a like Bill has successfully passed through Congress for six consecutive years. The repeated successful passage of these Bills reflects the overwhelming amount of Americans in support of this action; the action of slowly restoring rights to the people and upholding the Constitution. Regretfully, President Obama vetoed the Bills when presented for execution and enactment.

I understand that firearms ownership and the Right to carry those arms is an emotional and controversial subject. However, 40 States already issue carry permits and a vast majority of them already have reciprocity among themselves. Persons with concealed handgun or concealed weapons permits are thoroughly vetted. Statistically speaking, persons with conceal carry permits are more trust worthy and commit fewer crimes then the most Honorable Police Officers in the US. The people that this Bill will help are not the people who are part of the crime problem, but rather good, honorable men and women simply hoping that if the day ever comes, they can defend themselves from evil people who have no respect for law or civility.

One last point: the people this Bill will benefit, as noted above, are very trustworthy members of society. They do not become less trustworthy when they cross an imaginary line that we acknowledge as State boundaries. Good people are good people due to their morals, their ethics, and integrity. Allowing good people who are faced with evil to have an opportunity to at least attempt to save their own life or the lives of others through equal or superior means is a net positive in our nation.

I hope the People can count on your support when the time comes, and vote in favor of National Reciprocity.

I thank you for your time and consideration.
Marc Spaziano

[Viper21]

I've sent Kaine a few myself. The only responses I ever get or got from Kaine were solicitations for donations to his campaign, with one exception. A form letter basically telling me to F off. I've hit unsubscribe many times but, continue to get unwanted emails from him constantly begging for money, & bashing anything & everything the President does.

Kaine is a worm. I don't care if every citizen of Virginia sent him a letter in support of this bill. He won't buck his liberal donors/pals. After all, they know what's best for us regardless of what we think......

[MarcSpaz]

I think they are both party guys... but at least I can say I voiced my opinion and tried to make a difference. If they ignore the people they server, what can I do? I already tried to fire them. LoL

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[Viper21]

I hear ya Marc. Same here.