DC. Pot but no guns..

[cwfunrider]

Well tomorrow pot will officially be legal in DC. However I cannot protect myself when I have to go there. Unfreaking real.

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[MarcSpaz]

Sent this to my buddy via text about 2 hours ago...

DC City Council are a bunch of hypocrites. They legalized weed because its "the will of the people", but carrying and owning firearms, which is the will of the people, is completely off the table because the Council doesn't want it.

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[OakRidgeStars]

Finally, people have a reason to go to DC.

[ShotgunBlast]

Looks like progress to me, both on guns and plants that shouldn't have been illegal in the first place. Not too long ago there was a DC gun ban. Then there were guns but no way to carry them. Now they have a permit system. Is it Constitutional carry? No, but it's progress.

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[ShotgunBlast]

Make no mistake, the council did not legalize weed because of "the will of the people". If that were the case a referendum wouldn't have been necessary; they just would have passed it. The council loves illegal marijuana because it's just another facet of controlling your life, creates a lot of prisoners, and keeps the asset forfeiture revenue generator going. If the citizens pass a referendum on guns the council should abide by that too, but I won't hold my breath on a referendum happening.

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[WRW]

Yeah, after a few years of kids showing up for school with contact highs, they'll designate toking areas and gun laws will still be tied up in the courts.

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[MarcSpaz]

SB. I'm working right now and can't do it, but later, I'll post a map of everywhere you can legally carry a gun in DC. You know, if you are one of the 8 people that got a permit. Once you see it, you have to let me know if you still think that there is progress, even though they are still in clear violation of a Federal court order.

Oh, yea... And the gun ownership is also because of a federal court order. Whatever progress that has been made is in spite of the DC government, not because of it.

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[ShotgunBlast]

I'll save you the effort because in the end progress is progress. It may not be at the pace we would like, but all of this unconstitutional stuff didn't just happen overnight either.

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[MarcSpaz]

But that is the point of me showing you the map... Because there is no progress. You can have a gun within 1,000 feet of any schools, local government buildings, federal government buildings, other government buildings, national parks and/or monuments, city parks and/or monuments, any protestors, protest areas, or near any person holding polictial office.

Giving out 8 permits to "connected" people is pointless. Giving permits to 60,000 people would be pointless. When you look at a map of where you can carry in DC, its NOWHERER.

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[ShotgunBlast]

*sigh* I think you're getting caught up in the minutia and impatience that we're not there yet and not playing the long game. Since the DC residents won't put up a referendum to be voted on to move the issue forward, the only option left is the courts which as you know is a tedious process. Since Heller's 2008 decision we've gone from a complete ban to a permitted concealed carry process. A permitting process in a brand new "may-issue" district with many sensitive areas that the rest of the country doesn't have to deal with AND it has already approved 21% of the applicants so far (16 approvals for 76 applicants as of today). Considering all of that has relied on judicial victories, I would definitely say taking six years to achieve this is progress. Yes, the limitations of where you can carry are onerous. Yes, there will be more legal challenges to the permit process and where you can carry. All of these wins moves us closer.

[MarcSpaz]

Oh, I hear what you're saying, its just a difference of opinion. Its my opinion that the "progress" is fugazi. There is no progress on DC's gun laws. There is no long game. Only the illusion that you have made progress in a game that doesn't exist because you are the only one playing. See my point?

[ShotgunBlast]

Oh no doubt. Like you said before, any progress is in spite of the DC government, not because of it. You're trying to drive the ball down the field and the other team takes a knee after every play to run the clock.

[MarcSpaz]

Exactly!

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[Swampman]

Yeah, pot is legal in DC. Only if you are 29 years old, and no one can buy it in DC anyway. But you can grow up to six plants. I see a lot of rooftop gardens sprouting up. Progress? I don't see it. A society can't progress much if the people are stoned. All this does is keep the residents beholden to the government. It's a drain on society and my wallet. Legalize more drugs, go ahead morons. Make more of society a bunch of brainless wit-wot's. How $*%&ing stupid have we become?

[ShotgunBlast]

Yeah, pot is legal in DC. Only if you are 29 years old, and no one can buy it in DC anyway. But you can grow up to six plants. I see a lot of rooftop gardens sprouting up. Progress? I don't see it. A society can't progress much if the people are stoned. All this does is keep the residents beholden to the government. It's a drain on society and my wallet. Legalize more drugs, go ahead morons. Make more of society a bunch of brainless wit-wot's. How $*%&ing stupid have we become?

Oh please, stop the hyperbole. We criticize liberals for only looking at gun issues from an emotional lens and not looking at the facts, but a lot of people here do the exact same thing when it comes to social issues. The doom and gloom that was predicted in Washington and Colorado hasn't come to pass. Crime is down. Tax revenue is up. The best case study is the country of Portugal where ALL drugs were decriminalized a decade ago. Drug use is actually down there. The money they spent on putting people in cages for non-violent drug offenses they now put towards educational and rehab programs, to much better results. The Netherlands has a liberal drug policy and they haven't burned into the ground either.

If we can agree that alcohol prohibition didn't work and banning guns doesn't work, what makes drug prohibition any different? Don't you want the government out of your life or do you just want the government out of only some parts of your life?

[wittmeba]

Time is usually our enemy. The libs know that anything they give back will stall the real intent of their efforts. They give a bit knowing we will take less than what we want while we fight for more. In the meantime the libs hold the strings.

[Reverenddel]

D.C "District of Communism"

[SHMIV]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26216 ... his-summer


Colorado has had a negative side effect with the legalization of weed; transients have been flocking there. The homeless shelters are overflowing.

The are coming for the purpose of getting high.

They probably should have seen that coming.

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[MarcSpaz]

I agree with SB's point of view. And there is an upside. Hopefully some of the Libs will be too stoned to make it to the polls in 16'. LOL


Than again... I know a few Conservatives that will be too.

[Viper21]

Yeah, pot is legal in DC. Only if you are 29 years old, and no one can buy it in DC anyway. But you can grow up to six plants. I see a lot of rooftop gardens sprouting up. Progress? I don't see it. A society can't progress much if the people are stoned. All this does is keep the residents beholden to the government. It's a drain on society and my wallet. Legalize more drugs, go ahead morons. Make more of society a bunch of brainless wit-wot's. How $*%&ing stupid have we become?

Oh please, stop the hyperbole. We criticize liberals for only looking at gun issues from an emotional lens and not looking at the facts, but a lot of people here do the exact same thing when it comes to social issues. The doom and gloom that was predicted in Washington and Colorado hasn't come to pass. Crime is down. Tax revenue is up. The best case study is the country of Portugal where ALL drugs were decriminalized a decade ago. Drug use is actually down there. The money they spent on putting people in cages for non-violent drug offenses they now put towards educational and rehab programs, to much better results. The Netherlands has a liberal drug policy and they haven't burned into the ground either.

If we can agree that alcohol prohibition didn't work and banning guns doesn't work, what makes drug prohibition any different? Don't you want the government out of your life or do you just want the government out of only some parts of your life?