“I’ll come to your place when SHTF” – no... you won’t

Reverenddel · Post by **Reverenddel** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:13:57

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“I’ll come to your place when SHTF” – no... you won’t

by Glen Tate on October 22, 2013

Dear Friend:

I love my friends, but I will shoot you if I have to. I’m serious. Here’s why.

I tried to persuade you to prepare for what’s coming and, in the process, revealed that to you that I’m preparing. You realized that I have food, guns, etc., and ended up saying, half kidding but half serious, “I’ll come to your place when SHTF.”

No you won’t. I will shoot you. If you threaten me and my family, I will use force to defend against any threat. And showing up at my place hungry and unprepared is a threat to me. You will eat my food and use up my medical supplies, generator, firewood, etc. That’s less of these life-saving things for me and my family. That’s a threat.

Is this greed on my part? No. I will take care of the truly needy – those who cannot take care of themselves. But you are different. Very different. You had plenty of chances to prepare for yourself.

But what did you do? You spent the weekends watching football, went on expensive vacations, and never made your spouse mad at you with your “crazy” ideas that something bad was happening. You didn’t do sh't because… you would just come to my place. Problem solved, right? You didn’t need to spend time, money, and create domestic strife because I did that all for you.

Not. Why should I spend my time, money, and stress just so you can waltz into my place and live happily ever after? I’m a nice guy, but – really? – I’m going to spend my (very limited) free time, disposable income, and domestic tranquility just so you can have a leisurely life and more material comforts pre-Collapse while I don’t?

Why do you think I will sacrifice enormous amounts of my time and money so you can enjoy yourself while I’m slaving away? Would you assume you could come over and leave your broken car at my house? That I would just spend thousands of dollars on parts and several weekends fixing it and then hand it over to you with a smile – just because I’m a “good guy”? Would anyone expect that?

You do, apparently. You actually expect to waltz over to my cabin and receive – with a smile – thousands of dollars of food and other supplies that took me all my weekends to acquire and store.

So, my grasshopper friend (as in the story of the grasshopper and the ant), here is your official warning: if your “plan” for your and your family’s safety is to come to my place, you’re wrong. When you show up, I’ll ask you to leave. When you don’t, I’ll point a gun in your face. If you refuse to leave, I will shoot you. You are a threat to me.

You had years of time and very clear warnings to get ready. But you didn’t. Hey, I love football but haven’t been able to watch a game in a few years; I’ve been fixing up the cabin, buying supplies, and training with the Team. I spent a lot of money doing all these things so I haven’t gone on a long vacation in… forever. I have had several difficult times with my wife because of all the prepping I’m doing; I could have easily done what you did, which is just say “Yes, dear” and not prepare because she didn’t want you to.

I hope this message jolted you. There’s still some time. Go prep. Please understand that your plan cannot be “I’ll come to your place.” I don’t want to shoot you.

(This post is something you can send to your friends or print out and hand to them when SHTF.-Glen Tate)

************ROTFLMAO! Yeeeaaahhhh, I like this guy! **********************

DBJohnson · Post by **DBJohnson** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:18:57

Pretty much sums up my position....

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kelu · Post by **kelu** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:51:51

so... I cannot came to you?

I can see the point of the article. But on the other hand, security is in numbers. If you're alone, or only with wife and kids, you're in no better position, even if you have the food.
One of my relatives was a peace keeper officer during Kosovo civil war. He told me that those who survived were mostly those like 8-10 people, at least 6 adults in a big house.
Me, even if I prepare as I can, I do not plan to ride it alone with wife and kid.

scrubber3 · Post by **scrubber3** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:58:02

Amen brother. It's funny when I live on a budget and am prepared/trained, but I know more than one person who has quite a bit of money saved up with a job that pays over 100K a year have little more than a cupboard and a fridge half full of food. No water. No medical supplies, or training. All they have is a couple guns, and a backpack with camping equipment in it, and the mindset that when SHTF they'll just grab the packs and be off into the sunset. I can only assume they'll have to stop somewhere to gather supplies. Someplace like my house perhaps? To take my things? Remember, I'm the one that prepared.

. For folks like these in particular.

Kreutz · Post by **Kreutz** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 12:31:50

scrubber3 wrote:Amen brother. It's funny when I live on a budget and am prepared/trained, but I know more than one person who has quite a bit of money saved up with a job that pays over 100K a year have little more than a cupboard and a fridge half full of food. No water.

This is me, though I do have medical supplies and training, though I own no camping gear.

After my own risk/reward analysis, I cannot in good conscience devote what can be significant time and money for something I do not foresee actually happening. I cannot help but remember the Y2K preppers as a warning against doom prophesying; some people really did go into debt over that.

The odds of a major social collapse are very small; this sinking ship that is the US has at least another two generations of suckers to keep it barely above water. Many draw parallels with Rome for American history; Rome didn't collapse in a day, it took several hundred years.

Worse comes to worse I'll just chow down on the neighbors.

Edit: People seem to keep forgetting even in the event of a total US government collapse we will still have state and local government.

Once the initial shock wears off I think life will proceed more as less as normal.

The US wasn't a Mad Maxian wasteland of anarchy in the Continental Congress days after all.

WRW · Post by **WRW** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 13:04:13

Don't rule out natural disasters. Onset is immediate, and relief may be days or weeks away...long enough to experience at least some of the elements that some feel the need to prepare for.

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Diggs27 · Post by **Diggs27** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:21:05

Wow.... could not say that better myself. I am going to print one out and hand it to my Fiance's daughter's boyfriend. This guy is 42 years old, about 4'6 and weighs over 400 pounds. He actually said this to me one time when we were over there and the discussion came up. Her daughter comes over at least once a week and helps my fiance and I canning, chopping wood, etc. and she has even gone shooting with us and brought her little one along (as a matter of fact, they both; My fiance's daughter and grand daughter; took the hunter education course in Warm Springs yesterday.... and passed

). She has started prepping herself gathering a few little things at a time, and he even asked her what she was doing. He made the comment that there is no reason to prep with us living right around the block from them and if poop were to hit the fan; they can just come down here until it bypasses... lazy SOB; lol. I have already told my fiance that if anything were to happen; her daughter and 12 yo grand daughter could come here since they have shown an interest in helping us.... but he is not welcome to eat my food or hog my heat. I am sorry to feel this way; but she is understanding and I believe she may have mentioned something to her daughter (thinking maybe that is why she took it upon herself to start prepping as well). Just so bad wanted to open my mouth and say something to him like this; but did not want to cause a scene at a family dinner....

KaosDad · Post by **KaosDad** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:56:37

So, ten cases each of rum, bourbon, gin and tequila won't get me anything?

DryBones · Post by **DryBones** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 17:21:07

KaosDad wrote:So, ten cases each of rum, bourbon, gin and tequila won't get me anything?

Yes, those will be one of the currency in action when the SHTF. You'll just need to find somebody who wants it and barter.

Reverenddel · Post by **Reverenddel** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 17:24:45

I think what he's saying is "Don't come to me because you failed to prep."

If you drive up, and you have your provisions, ammo, and gear... I'm okay with SHARING the land, and area... Agreed, strength in numbers, but if you're a DRAW on resources, I cannot advocate letting someone in.

But driving up in your freakin $60K BMW, with a bottle of Evian, and a pocket pistol? Not so much.

And Kreutz? I have two words for you: SANDY/KATRINA!

Friends of mine had provisions, firearms, and group strength, and needed ALL of that because the LOCAL/STATE/FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FAILED TO DO WHAT WAS NEEDED!

gunderwood · Post by **gunderwood** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 18:24:30

Reverenddel wrote:I think what he's saying is "Don't come to me because you failed to prep."

If you drive up, and you have your provisions, ammo, and gear... I'm okay with SHARING the land, and area... Agreed, strength in numbers, but if you're a DRAW on resources, I cannot advocate letting someone in.

But driving up in your freakin $60K BMW, with a bottle of Evian, and a pocket pistol? Not so much.

+1

We all are at different stages in our lives and have different skill sets, etc. Use what you have to the best of your ability and you will be welcome almost anywhere. Show up with no skills, no supplies, nothing and no-one's going to want you around. You're expecting someone else to take care of you and offering nothing of value in return. That may work with the corrupt welfare state we have, but in a crisis...

Kreutz · Post by **Kreutz** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 19:41:15

WRW wrote:Don't rule out natural disasters. Onset is immediate, and relief may be days or weeks away...long enough to experience at least some of the elements that some feel the need to prepare for.

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We lost power for 6 days due to a freak windstorm this summer, we just stood at an unaffected hotel and repurchased spoiled food.

Even if I had laid away the myriad preps I still would've went because my wife had surgery the day the power cut (naturally) and I wasn't gonna make her and the kids swelter in the house.

Plus it was nice not hearing the two generators down the street; not sure how people sleep with those things going.

WRW · Post by **WRW** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 19:51:51

Kreutz wrote:
WRW wrote:Don't rule out natural disasters. Onset is immediate, and relief may be days or weeks away...long enough to experience at least some of the elements that some feel the need to prepare for.

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We lost power for 6 days due to a freak windstorm this summer, we just stood at an unaffected hotel and repurchased spoiled food.

Even if I had laid away the myriad preps I still would've went because my wife had surgery the day the power cut (naturally) and I wasn't gonna make her and the kids swelter in the house.

Plus it was nice not hearing the two generators down the street; not sure how people sleep with those things going.

Yeah, natural inconveniences don't usually require nearly the preparation of a disaster.

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dmharvey · Post by **dmharvey** » Sun, 27 Oct 2013 23:27:11

My response to those who choose to be unprepared, "the FEMA lines are that way."

MarcSpaz · Post by **MarcSpaz** » Mon, 28 Oct 2013 02:23:02

Anyone watch American Blackout? Should be an eye-opener for the masses... but I doubt anyone pays attention.

FiremanBob · Post by **FiremanBob** » Mon, 28 Oct 2013 06:32:48

There was a critical difference in the US in pre-electricity days: nearly everybody knew how to live closer to nature and make their own provisions, so self-reliance was a universal quality in society. Today's urban zombies would be completely unable to sustain themselves without the grid and the high-tech supply-chain logistics system that deliver food and energy to them. Therefore one could expect there to be extreme civil disturbance in the event of a general disaster.

Reverenddel · Post by **Reverenddel** » Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:22:33

Correct!

The power went out with Isabelle for two weeks. It was 80+ during the day, and 70+ at night, with high humidity.

Ice Cold showers, and occasional water loss while they made repairs.

THAT was the start of my "prepping", not Y2k, or SHTF, or "TEOTWAKI", it was "Holy Crap I coulda done more to make this EASIER!".

My worthless ex-neighbors response will be posted when I get home, and it's a SHOCKING eye opener!

scrubber3 · Post by **scrubber3** » Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:28:49

Kreutz wrote:
scrubber3 wrote:Amen brother. It's funny when I live on a budget and am prepared/trained, but I know more than one person who has quite a bit of money saved up with a job that pays over 100K a year have little more than a cupboard and a fridge half full of food. No water.

This is me, though I do have medical supplies and training, though I own no camping gear.

After my own risk/reward analysis, I cannot in good conscience devote what can be significant time and money for something I do not foresee actually happening. I cannot help but remember the Y2K preppers as a warning against doom prophesying; some people really did go into debt over that.

The odds of a major social collapse are very small; this sinking ship that is the US has at least another two generations of suckers to keep it barely above water. Many draw parallels with Rome for American history; Rome didn't collapse in a day, it took several hundred years.

Worse comes to worse I'll just chow down on the neighbors.

Edit: People seem to keep forgetting even in the event of a total US government collapse we will still have state and local government.

Once the initial shock wears off I think life will proceed more as less as normal.

The US wasn't a Mad Maxian wasteland of anarchy in the Continental Congress days after all.

The comparison of the US and Rome is moot considering modern advances and world population. Ever wonder what would happen if EBT and snap were to stop? What about the price of gas hitting over $6 a gallon? Do you know what a stock market bubble is? (Our economy is riding on bubbles right now btw)

Who's to say that the US government failing will be what causes a SHTF scenario? Local governments won't matter when money is useless or fuel is unavailable.

The world has gotten so dependent on other people and conveniences..... Kreutz, for your sake and the sake of everyone else with a mindset like yours, I hope our way of life doesn't change. Just keep in mind that our way of life is actually very fragile and dependent upon way too many things to actually sustain itself in the long run.

kelu · Post by **kelu** » Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:46:05

Last night American Blackout was a sugar-coated version, for many reasons.
The biggest element missing was the limited fuel for generators for the nuclear power plants. When that runs out, only then SHTF really strikes.
Of course, many other thinks were missing too. But the typical high-rise wall-streeter in his 46th story penthouse was there

Kreutz · Post by **Kreutz** » Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:44:33

scrubber3 wrote:The comparison of the US and Rome is moot considering modern advances and world population. Ever wonder what would happen if EBT and snap were to stop? What about the price of gas hitting over $6 a gallon? Do you know what a stock market bubble is? (Our economy is riding on bubbles right now btw)

Who's to say that the US government failing will be what causes a SHTF scenario? Local governments won't matter when money is useless or fuel is unavailable.

The world has gotten so dependent on other people and conveniences..... Kreutz, for your sake and the sake of everyone else with a mindset like yours, I hope our way of life doesn't change. Just keep in mind that our way of life is actually very fragile and dependent upon way too many things to actually sustain itself in the long run.

I'm acutely aware of how fragile the interdependency of modern civilization is, I just do not foresee it breaking down in the next two or three lifetimes. And yes I hope I'm right. I'd plan for being wrong, in reality it's all moot; I live in the suburbs and couldn't possibly grow or gather enough food to feed myself let alone six and a few bags of rice or beans would just stave off the inevitable for a few days.

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