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Pick up a used gun for the first time ever today. I usually don't, but this was a deal I couldn't pass up.

I have been searching for a DPMS REPR or SASS. No one had one around here. DPMS says 12 to 18 months back-order. One guy in southern VA had a used one for sale for almost $1,000 over MSRP. Forget that... right? Walked into a local shop today and saw a tricked out DPMS LR-308b.

The LR-308b has the exact same barrel as the SASS, but the cosmetics are more tactical than sniper. The shop bought it from the original owner (they sold it to him) and did some nice work to it.

Troy modular rail free float forend.
Magpul Stock
Panther Tact pistol grip
Panther Flash Hider
American Tactical quick release tilt/pivot bi-pod

I put my Bushnell scope from my 30-30 on it for now. All this stuff, including the gun would retail $3,000 new. I only paid $1,250! SCORE! hahahaha I think I found a new gun shop to use from now on too.

Here is what they look like from DPMS...

http://www.dpmsinc.com/LR-308B_ep_126-1.html

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This is what mine looks like after the overhaul...

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That looks quite nice!

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Pretty good deal!
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Send this to sen feinstein :)
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nice! that is a beauty.
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Thanks guys. Feinstein would have a stroke if that showed up! LOL

I made an error in what the base model is. I found out its a Panther 7.62 NATO Oracle w/18" barrel.
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Holy carp, that's nice!

My LR-308 AP4 is one of the older, "high receiver" models, so I can't find a free-float quad rail that fits for less than $250. Which means that I still have the fluted aluminum tube handguard. Nice at protecting your hands, terrible for attaching swag.
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Nice gun a great price.

Here's a nice tip for a tactical sniper rifle and SHTF. Nosler Ballistic Tips and many AccuBonds have the exact same BC/profile and will therefore fly along the same trajectory. BT's have fantastic terminal performance against unarmored threats while AccuBonds have great penetration through barriers. In fact, many LEA's use them for auto-glass shots because they have the lest deflection of any bullet for such an application (at least the test's I've seen so far). I'd recommend something like the 165's as a good balance for that rifle.
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Its a beauty!!




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Thanks guys! I appreciate the kudos and the advice on the ammo.

I got a better picture today while it was on the coffee table instead of the floor. Ended up replacing the rings. The objective end of the scope was actually touching the upper. Now I have about 1/4" of spacing. Much happier.

On either Wednesday or Saturday I am going to try to take it to the 100 yard range for a site in. If it keyholes, I am hunting down a new barrel. If it pops off 1/4 MOA groups, I'm headed to Peacemaker very soon.

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:lovegunporn: sweet looking rifle you have there
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Prolly want to get a different bullet mass if it keyholes. If you know thw twist rate, you can get an idea about what bullet mass you'll need, iirc.

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I have heard that does make a difference. The barrel is a 18” 1 in 10 and I have CBC FMJ’s which I believe are 147 grain. The box is not labeled, so I am not sure. If I try 300 or further this week, I am going to try to find some 155 grain. 168 might be too high a drop rate at 1000 yards. I am going to try to hunt down those accubond 165's Gunderwood mentioned too. For out to 350-400 yards, I bet that would be a kick butt round.
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MarcSpaz wrote:I have heard that does make a difference. The barrel is a 18” 1 in 10 and I have CBC FMJ’s which I believe are 147 grain. The box is not labeled, so I am not sure. If I try 300 or further this week, I am going to try to find some 155 grain. 168 might be too high a drop rate at 1000 yards. I am going to try to hunt down those accubond 165's Gunderwood mentioned too. For out to 350-400 yards, I bet that would be a kick butt round.
If you want to learn about external ballistics, Bryan Litz's book is one of the best. It's well written and simple.
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A bullets stability is estimated by the Miller Stability formula. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_twist_rule
Basically, if the center of pressure (point where the net aero drag is being applied) is in front of the center of gravity, there is an overturning torque; the bullet wants to fly backwards which wouldn't be very aerodynamic. Short bullets have a small CP/CG lever arm and don't require much spin at all, long bullet (e.g. rifle) require more. For a given caliber, heavier typically means longer. Spinning a bullet makes it act like a gyroscope so that as the overturning torque attempts to flip the bullet around, the gyroscopic effect counters it. The actual imparted spin rate varies on twist rate (which is constant in the barrel) and velocity. Your barrel is a 1:10" twist if it still has the original DPMS on it (it completes one revolution per 10"), but the faster you push the bullet through the barrel will impart a faster twist rate.

We generalize this for specific cartridges since a .308Win is only capable of pushing a bullet of a given weight so fast. Thus, a heavier bullet in the caliber equals slower linear velocity, also mean less rotational velocity. It get's worse because heavier bullets in a caliber are typically also longer so the CP/CG lever arm is longer and the required rotational velocity to keep it flying straight is higher. Most people don't bother with calculations unless they are outside the norm. A 1:10" twist is fairly fast for a .308Win, but it's what most people prefer for shooting up to ~175s-190s. It will shoot lighter bullets as well, but will spin them a bit faster than is considered ideal. Generally not a problem until you spin it so fast that the bullet can't handle it. Stay away from the handful of varmint 30cal bullets and you'll be fine. 175's are the sweet spot for a 1:10" and many guns love the 175 SMKs. 18" is on the short end for 175s getting enough velocity to be useful IMHO. Your barrel should stabilize up to about 190s, but that's really just too short(18") and too heavy for a .308Win. Stick with the NATO round on the low end ~147gr and 175s on the high and you'll be very happy.

The Noslers I recommended for SHTF/hunting will not be as accurate as match bullets like the SMK. However, the terminal performance is excellent and if you ever have to take a glass shot, AccuBonds are your friend even if they aren't great long range bullets (due to low BC which is really a poor choice of boat tail angles/lengths). Although, they do have new AccuBond-LRs, but given those expand as low as 1300fps, I don't think they are going to do as well in glass shots.

Shooting 175gr match bullets you should hit 1k no problem and have fun stretching it out that far. I've shot a 16" barreled AR10 to 700 yards on slightly smaller than man sized steel using 147gr NATO reloads and a 3.5x ACOG. Groups aren't pretty due to the terrible wind drift and low magnification, but a 147gr on target is still a 147g on target in a fight. However, it's really a ~500 yard gun (IMHO) when shooting bullets with real terminal performance and considering danger space (the real trajectory comparison).
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Sweet rifle!

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MarcSpaz wrote:168 might be too high a drop rate at 1000 yards.
What 168s are you talking about? The famous 168gr SMKs are also famous for going unstable when they hit the transsonic region (~1.0 - 1.2Mach). For most 308Win and depending on barrel length, that means somewhere around 600-800 yards. The 175s SMKs are basically the same bullet with a better boat tail so they remain stable into the subsonic region. Other 168s may or may not be fine depending on what you're talking about.
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That is some amazing info and very helpful. I learned a lot just reading your post. The book should be pretty awesome.

I have been reading other random forums where people are complaining that 168's are dropping to fast on target, leading to a need to make large adjustments while doping from 650-700 to 1000 or the inverse.

I really have two goals in mind. One is to enjoy poking holes in paper at 1,000 yards a few times a year. The other is to learn and become proficient at long range SHTF engagements. I really want an MRAD 98 or AR30 that fires a 338 Lapua for that purpose. I figured this could be a great stop-gap piece while I learn and see if I have or can acquire the discipline before spending $8k-$9k on a rifle and glass.

So, with that said, I guess if I stick to the whole "train with what you are going to use" mentality, I really need to find something that is going to be a good balance of penetration capability as well as accuracy.

My mindset is, if our country goes to hell in our life time and other countries start showing news video from the US that resembles Egypt today, I need to be able to hold down my household the best I can for a wooden structure or safely get my family out to the wilderness to hide and survive. In either case, whatever weapons I acquire and become proficient with could be used for anything ranging from firing at a hostile in a vehicle or another building to dropping a deer for food.
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Haven't read that book, but I have Understanding Firearms Ballistics, 6th ed. by Robert Rinker. Picked it up a while ago at B&N for about $45. I did a search on Amazon for it, but the price is crazy: http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Fir ... 115&sr=8-2
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Wow! $900 is crazy expensive.
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