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Time to Protect America’s Children from Porn
JMM articles / by Bryan Fischer / on July 23, 2013 at 12:44 pm

The UK is dealing with an epidemic of porn addiction and sex crimes. But not just with adults, with teenagers. According to the Daily Mirror, the number of under-18s who have committed sex crimes has jumped an astonishing 40% in the last three years, largely due to unrestricted access to pornography on the internet.

In addition, 40% of teens report that they have texted explicit pictures of themselves to others.

More than 5,000 formal investigations have been launched over the last three years into under-18s accused of sex crimes, including rape and assault.

Almost all the police jurisdictions in the UK report that sex crimes have been committed in their jurisdictions by 11-, 12-, and 13-year-old boys, with the victims often being under the age of 10. Online porn consumption by teenagers is a catastrophic and toxic problem which is rapidly turning the UK into a “moral wasteland,” according to former child television star Floella Benjamin.

Some of those accused of sex crimes are as young as five years old. Think about that for a moment.

One 15-year-old porn-obsessed boy was sent to jail just last week for three years after he and a 14-year-old friend bound, gagged and raped a 14-year-old girl. Where did they get that idea? Well, it wasn’t from watching “Leave it to Beaver” reruns.

One sexual health nurse talks of 13-year-old girls who come to his clinic talking about the pressure being placed on them by their boyfriends to engage in extreme and degrading sexual experiences.

(While writing that last paragraph, I at first accidentally misspelled “boyfriends” as “boyfiends,” which is much closer to the truth.)

Iceland is planning to ban online pornography altogether, which would make it the first but hopefully not the last Western nation to do so.

Cameron’s focus is on the impact of pornography on children. Porn clearly has a deleterious impact on adults as well, since it leads men to think of women as sex objects and contributes to degrading sexual behavior as well as to brutal sexual assaults (think Ted Bundy here). Thus Iceland is certainly moving in the right direction. Porn debauches, diminishes, and destroys and should be contrary to public policy for all people at all ages.

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Hmmmm.... havnt they heard of parental controls?! These days you can lock up a computer so tightly a hacker takes 5 minutes to get to your computer! Unless they only password protect them and like idiots they use their kids name or the dogs or their favorite color! Parents if you suspect your kids gettin to online porn just make the password complicated. Last 4 of your social and your DL number with your b day. Easy for you, not for them.

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I have a tough time with this one since I think that we are free people and should be allowed to do as we please, for the most part. However, I think that children of this era have been desensitized to the point of being perverse. Even if you have a child who doesn't watch porn, they still get a heavy dose of porn thoughts and discussions from their friends at school. Nothing is sacred anymore, and it's unfortunate.
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steelheart wrote:Hmmmm.... havnt they heard of parental controls?! These days you can lock up a computer so tightly a hacker takes 5 minutes to get to your computer! Unless they only password protect them and like idiots they use their kids name or the dogs or their favorite color! Parents if you suspect your kids gettin to online porn just make the password complicated. Last 4 of your social and your DL number with your b day. Easy for you, not for them.

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If only it were that simple. Lock down their computers so tight that they won't be subjected, and they won't be able to go to any normal sites either. Also, this doesn;t help for those whose parents ignore them and let them look at whatever they want...then bring the information to school for all to enjoy.
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I could get on my soapbox for a long time on this topic. I removed my daughters from public school precisely for this reason. Kids don't respect sexual boundaries in public school any more because they haven't been given proper boundaries at home. Nothing is verboten.
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If, as a parent, you don't know what your kid is surfing in your home, you've failed. If you don't know where your kid goes, go there and test the connections - you've failed. It's about parenting.
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KaosDad wrote:If, as a parent, you don't know what your kid is surfing in your home, you've failed. If you don't know where your kid goes, go there and test the connections - you've failed. It's about parenting.
What about the other kids who don;t have decent parents? These kids come to school talking about the heinous things that they've seen on the internet. There is no place to shelter children from the hoardes of low-life parents who let their kids get away with anything because they don't care enough work at ensuring that they're raising people who will become healthy and wholesome adults with a future.
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The parents should be tarred and feathered and run out of town, like we did back in the 18th century.
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As a very wise network security trainer once told me, it's less about prevention and more about detection. Knowing what your kids are viewing online is the first priority.

Of course, this was back in the days before smartphones and tablets. Now your best bet is to go all NSA on their web-enabled devices.
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What law abiding, consenting adults partake in should be between them and other law abiding, consenting adults. Restricting or banning something because children may be exposed to it, illegally by the way, smacks too much of the "It's for the children" argument the gun ban groups use.

If parents were involved in their children's lives and knew where they were going, who they were with, and what they were doing, this wouldn't even be an issue.

I know this is a different world that the one I grew up in, but basic concepts of child rearing can still work. These people should not be blaming society or technology for their failure as parents.

An oversimplification, but that's my position.

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It is not just locking the computer up......you may be a fabulous parent completely on top of things. At the bus stop a child who des not have the same brings out his I-pod and says "hey jimmy look at this." Jimmy has to have been raised with the character to look away.

I am trying with all my might to teach my children to respect their bodies and to respect the bodies of other people. I am trying to teach them to know good from evil. And to when confronted by evil turn away.

What a tangled web we have woven. Free love and a turning away from inhibitions has turned into license to abuse each other.

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When my kids were young and I had to worry about that, they didn't use the computer unsupervised. When they got old enough to start to loosen the controls a little, I bought a $100 personal firewall. At first, I had it locked down so their computers could only go to specific sites. Then later, content filtering, and so on.

I guess the problem has universally been the same, even before the invent of electricity... bad parenting.
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Porn made today in our supposedly "liberated society" is rough and degrading.

Watch some vintage stag films from the "repressed society" and people are smiling and having fun. No silicone either!

As for censoring it, it just drives it underground and wouldn't fly here due to 1A.
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My girls are both in their early 20's now, but when they were young I had monitoring software on the computer and they were told it was there. It operated in the background and sent me emails about the sites they visited, texts, IM's, emails and the like that contained foul and abusive language. Oh sure, they started misspellings to try and get by me, but kept up with that stuff and added those keywords to the list. They didn't like it, but understood why because my wife and I explained it to them. Most people these days shouldn't be allowed to have children because they don't pay any attention to them. They give them electronic devices that effectively take the place of Mom and Dad, who, by the way, are too busy with their electronic devices to be parents to their kids.

I agree with AIG, that we are a free country and I don't want to see our freedoms eroded for any reason. (Whoops! I'm too late!) The only way to solve the problem is to get parents back into parenting. Don't know how to do that, except by example.
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A "free country" means that government cannot interfere with the lives of the citizens. It does not mean that parents are not free to interfere with their children. In fact, "interfering" is just one word to describe the essential function of parenting - to guide the development of one's children. If you are not doing that, you are not being a parent.
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mamabearCali wrote:It is not just locking the computer up......you may be a fabulous parent completely on top of things. At the bus stop a child who des not have the same brings out his I-pod and says "hey jimmy look at this." Jimmy has to have been raised with the character to look away.

I am trying with all my might to teach my children to respect their bodies and to respect the bodies of other people. I am trying to teach them to know good from evil. And to when confronted by evil turn away.

What a tangled web we have woven. Free love and a turning away from inhibitions has turned into license to abuse each other.

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If Jimmy is a typical red-blooded American boy, he's highly unlikely to look away. Exposure is inevitable. All you can do is instill the strength of character to maintain personal standards and dignity. Tough row to hoe.
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Mark me down in the "parent your damn children" camp.

Kids are exposed to anything and everything, these days. Especially if you send them to public schools.

Take heart, though; while I may have been the wild one (always have insisted on learning the hard way, but I reckon the lessons still stick), my younger sisters managed to turn out pretty good. So has my GF's son. If you raise them right, it doesn't matter what they are exposed to, they'll usually reject the bad stuff. (Even if they do try it once, to see for themselves)

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Parent your damn kids. I know, easier said than done. Parenting is a 24/7 job, and even then it can still be a crap shoot because of the poor jobs many other parents do with their kids.

My mom once asked me if Libertarianism is so great, why are there no Libertarian societies in the world. I replied because they take the most work and effort, both from the government resisting the natural urge to expand and abuse powers, and from the citizens resisting the urge to delegate their responsibilities to others.

The government should not be banning online porn and parents should not be shlepping their responsibilities of raising their kids on others.

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It is defiling our youth and destroying their future. No way around it. Its not healthy, not normal and not necessary.

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Tough one for me as well, but I think there are a couple of important things to remember:

-- Although susceptibility varies, porn can be as addictive as any drug. It captivates the mind, and tears down lives in just the same way. Worse, its imprint is more effective at younger ages. We, as a prudent society, have chosen to outlaw things like Cocaine because of its destructive effects; do we not bear a similar responsibility to limit these kinds of images?

-- Parental controls are one way to tackle the problem; pity the parent who has to keep up with controls on all the phones, TV's, laptops, and tablets in their house. At our house there are at least 9 internet capable devices. A far simpler way would be to limit porn at the source -- i.e. the service provider -- the way the FCC has limited what has been traditionally allowed over the airwaves. I won't get into whether images should be considered a form of speech or not, but consider that the porn content would still be available to those who wanted the access.


The only other suggestion I've seen in recent years that made any sense was the idea of having a single domain for all porn sites, to make them much easier to block.

One other thought: blocking a porn site still does not stop the kid from using Google Image search.
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