Forecast from Chantilly?

donut · Post by **donut** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:40:42

Anyone have any updates as far as how the Nations Gun Show is looking? I was thinking about making the trip out but am kind of on the fence. Anything new or just the same old same old with the bonus of extravagant prices?

FiremanBob · Post by **FiremanBob** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 12:18:04

It was a solid mass of people yesterday.

There were more than usual vintage military rifles, including M1s, but prices were high. The only ARs I saw still on the tables were there because they were priced at $2K or more. Long lines to purchase new firearms including handguns. Prices seemed high on everything, even CCI SV was $10/box and I saw 5.56 priced at $700/case, 9mm at $320/case.

I don't know how anyone could think "gun show prices" are a bargain. I've been to about five shows this year and every one had prices higher than I could find in a shop or online.

GeneFrenkle · Post by **GeneFrenkle** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:08:34

Good intel, firemanbob. much appreciated.

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kelu · Post by **kelu** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:14:56

The reason I go to gun shows is because my experience is limited and I have the opportunity to test a ton of firearms how they fit in my hand.
Every time I learn new things there; for me is like an excursion to museum

jdonovan · Post by **jdonovan** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:20:11

FiremanBob wrote:I don't know how anyone could think "gun show prices" are a bargain. I've been to about five shows this year and every one had prices higher than I could find in a shop or online.

+1

Its a nice way to look at a lot of items you've only seen in pictures. There are so many firearms for sale, that your local dealer can only stock so many.

If a dealer is close in price I'll buy from them, but when you can get it 25% cheaper with a 1 week wait, its enough to motivate.

Also who wants to cary 2 cases of ammo from the back of the show all the way to the car. For nearly the same, or better price the brown truck guy puts it next to the garage.

The only thing I like buying at the shows is powder/primers. $27 hazmat fee makes it hard to get a 'good deal' on mail order powder unless your buying 4 8-lb jugs.. or more.

donut · Post by **donut** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:53:19

Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate info and being able to come to the board like this and get info like this beforehand.

Hiwaytahell · Post by **Hiwaytahell** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:23:28

Don't waste your time unless you like these 2 phrases:

1. Out of stock
2. Overpriced

Gotlabs · Post by **Gotlabs** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:28:44

Wow, a buddy of mine just texted me and said ARs were $4500ish.

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Moist · Post by **Moist** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:55:32

Hiwaytahell wrote:Don't waste your time unless you like these 2 phrases:

1. Out of stock
2. Overpriced

Eggs zackly. And don't forget:

3. Wall to wall people

The line just to get in stretched all the way over to that barbecue/grill store. Overpriced black rifles, overpriced ammo, nothing worth seeing. I'll go back to the shows when the panic is over and the prices come back down. IF that happens.

Post by **OakRidgeStars** » Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:41:48

Interesting tweets / pictures from The Nation's Gun Show crowd today.

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/29/wow-bigge ... ntilly-va/

With all those scary guns around, I would have expected more bloodshed.

vaeevictiss · Post by **vaeevictiss** » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 02:55:42

I'm really glad I didn't go. After realizing every local store was out of primers I figured the show would have been the only place left. Almost everyone online was out too. I actually looked into all the places I previously ordered from and finally found one. Ended up ordering 10k for about 300 bux plus hazmat fees.

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vonClausewitz · Post by **vonClausewitz** » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:00:28

Just a thought...these exorbitant prices that lots of folks are paying could be the "reverse tipping point" in the gun control debate...

The banners thought they had the upper hand after the atrocity in Connecticut...they thought they had such a strong position that they couldn't wait to show their glee...and their plan...

And while that did lead to jacked up prices, it also lead to tons o'people who might have never gotten up off their behinds to realize these people really do want to infringe on my rights...

Those people paid inflated prices, and now will be vocal when it comes to defending their new possessions...

I just hope that congress critters like Gerry Connolly are watching this...he wants a federally funded buy back program...at the same time that thousands of his own constituants are out using their hard earned money to purchase weapons...

I'll avoid the Nations Gun Show for all the reasons mentioned above...but the news media is covering it, and I hope Mr Connolly and people of his ilk are watching, and cringing...

REMEMBER 1996 should be our rallying cry... (If you don't understand why, ask...)

donut · Post by **donut** » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:32:16

What led to jacked up prices is nothing more than supply and demand and greed. That greed is supplied by the same shop owners and organizations that say they "support your second amendment rights". You think the NRA is against any of this? Hell no, fear spikes membership and membership spikes revenue.

All of them are laughing all the way to the bank. I know I would be, if I could buy a WASR for 5 and change and sell it to you for 9. A Bushmaster is worth what? More than twice what it was just a few weeks ago? Nice. Sure I support your rights, just make sure you sign and date the check.

vonClausewitz · Post by **vonClausewitz** » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:39:15

donut wrote:What led to jacked up prices is nothing more than supply and demand and greed. That greed is supplied by the same shop owners and organizations that say they "support your second amendment rights". You think the NRA is against any of this? Hell no, fear spikes membership and membership spikes revenue.

All of them are laughing all the way to the bank. I know I would be, if I could buy a WASR for 5 and change and sell it to you for 9. A Bushmaster is worth what? More than twice what it was just a few weeks ago? Nice. Sure I support your rights, just make sure you sign and date the check.

I agree completely...people like Dudley Brown make a living by fear mongering...

I don't like the gouging, but the prices don't impact me because I have plenty...

But it's those who didn't prepare and are now being gouged who in the past were the quiet majority who would not expend the energy to help in the fight...now, it's personal to them...

Not the kind of team mate I want watching my back in a firefight...but right now, we need bodies shouting at Congress, and they are good enough for that...

ShotgunBlast · Post by **ShotgunBlast** » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:59:25

There's no such thing as price gouging. You either pay the asking price for something of you don't. No one is forcing you into the transaction.

I'm glad prices went up because it's keeping some owners on the sidelines so that new owners can get into an AR. If you already own 3 a 4th AR isn't going to do you much good, but for the person who doesn't have any this is their opportunity to get one. And that's another person on our side.

If prices didn't go up there wouldn't be any gun shows because no one would have anything to sell (or at least not have enough inventory to justify leaving the shop for the weekend).

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FiremanBob · Post by **FiremanBob** » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:50:16

Agree with the free market comments above. I'm not participating in the buy-it-now panic because I'm prepared. Those who are paying up now are suddently realizing the cost of having done nothing when times were easy. (although a few might be trying to flip product in this bubble, just as those who bought real estate in 2007 thought) This is the model for how everything will "work" when the SHTF.

Firearms today, fuel and food tomorrow. If we don't end this .gov oppression and turn the country back towards the Founders' original vision, the USSR poverty and tyranny that Kelu speaks so knowledgeably of will become first-hand knowledge here in the US.

gunderwood · Post by **gunderwood** » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:25:47

ShotgunBlast wrote:There's no such thing as price gouging. You either pay the asking price for something of you don't. No one is forcing you into the transaction.

I'm glad prices went up because it's keeping some owners on the sidelines so that new owners can get into an AR. If you already own 3 a 4th AR isn't going to do you much good, but for the person who doesn't have any this is their opportunity to get one. And that's another person on our side.

If prices didn't go up there wouldn't be any gun shows because no one would have anything to sell (or at least not have enough inventory to justify leaving the shop for the weekend).

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+1

I did see some crazy prices. I thought a 50% markup on the DDM4V3 I sold was "a lot," but not even close. I saw standard Bushy's with plastic hand guards going for $2k+! Like you said though, makes no sense if you have multiple ARs, but lots of sense if you have none. AKA, the marginal utility of each additional unit. Ammo was also crazy. I saw unfit for duty LC 5.56mm going for $0.70/round and quality mil-surplus going for $1/round. Thank goodness I reload and already have what I need.

j1mmyd · Post by **j1mmyd** » Mon, 31 Dec 2012 05:55:57

Seems to me that most of the high prices are dictated more by "perceived" than actual demand. Saw a lot of really high prices, but few people buying yesterday. I talked to a few guys peddling pmags out of backpacks and asked how they set their prices. The general response was that their prices were based on how others had marked theirs; not what people were actually paying. I left my excess pmags in the car and just enjoyed the show...

gunderwood · Post by **gunderwood** » Mon, 31 Dec 2012 06:06:32

j1mmyd wrote:Seems to me that most of the high prices are dictated more by "perceived" than actual demand. Saw a lot of really high prices, but few people buying yesterday. I talked to a few guys peddling pmags out of backpacks and asked how they set their prices. The general response was that their prices were based on how others had marked theirs; not what people were actually paying. I left my excess pmags in the car and just enjoyed the show...

Ya, the $50+ dollar pmags were not selling. I did see several $40 sales though and stuff was definitely moving. By Sunday mostly what's left is the really crazy prices, like $2000 Olympic Arms AR. IMO that's a high, but reasonable prices for a full milspec + railed Colt, DD, etc. Anything good, but less than that (e.g. RRA, Bushy) should be several hundred less and even in a shortage Olympic Arms shouldn't top $1k, but no one was forcing me to buy it so moving along.

scott9050 · Post by **scott9050** » Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:39:24

The Armory still has some green tip bulk ammo around .39 a round and Wolf at .30. Not a great price a few weeks ago, but still better than what is wanted locally:

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/s ... t1045.html

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/s ... t1296.html

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