ShotgunBlast wrote:
Well the only reason I even jumped in was because you were knocking on libertarians (presumably in the US) as if they are the cause of this downward spiral. That is simply not the case. These are people who tend not to subscribe to abortion policies other than those laid out in Roe v Wade (and some like Ron Paul are even pro-life). But if you're a staunch pro-life person I can see how you will just lump everyone who is not as pro-life in together.
Abortion policies are going to differ from country to country, and each country's citizens will have to make their own decision on what they'll accept. Some countries might accept a 4th term abortion (like in Canada where a new mother received probation for strangling her newborn with a pair of underwear and dumping it out the window). On the other end of the spectrum is Ireland's ban of all abortion except for when the mother's life is in danger. Unfortunately this stance makes doctors so nervous about performing abortions at all because how do you know if the mother's life is in "enough" danger to warrent the abortion? Last week a prominent 31-year old dentist in Ireland was told that they were going to miscarry their 17-week old fetus. Despite her rising pain, doctors would not perform the abortion because the fetus still had a heartbeat. The fetus died as projected and was surgically removed, but the mother died three days later from blood poisoning. So that's also where your moral imperative to defend life can get you.
To quote Edmund Burke on Libertarians and the downward spiral of the value of human life. "All it takes for Evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing." So people who know that children are children from the womb say nothing and another holocaust happens (I don't know what else to call millions of children murdered).
As for the situation in Ireland....that was incompetence on the MD's part. I am pro-
LIFE, that means for mother and child. When one can no longer save the child one must do all to save the mother. It was absolutely wrong on so many levels for the doctors to sit on their hands and do nothing to save the mother when they could have. They were entirely within the law and they should have known that. Malpractice killed that poor woman, not a pro-life state.
As it happens I have a very good friend that had the very same thing happen to her. Her water broke, the baby became septic. The doctors did not have to do anything dramtic (tearing the baby to pieces), they simply allowed labor to start and augmented it slightly. Her little son chase was born and took his first and last breaths in her arms (18 weeks gestation). They were able to hold him (he was perfectly formed, just tiny), see him, grieve his passing, and bury him. His life and her life were both respected and when the doctors could not save him, they did all to save her.
Do as you feel you must. But to know something is evil and to not at minimum call it that, is wrong. To know that children are being killed and to not stand up say STOP with every fiber of your being.....I don't know how a person does that. It is no favor to the women who abort because many will live with guilt for the rest of their lives, most later say they wish they had not done it. It is certainly no favor the the child. So I am not sure who libertarians (the people that say not my table), think they are helping in their silence.
"I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend."
