voter id laws

[graybeard321]

Eugene Robinson from the Washington Post wrote:

"Spare us any more hooey about 'preventing fraud' and 'protecting the integrity of the ballot box.' The Republican-led crusade for voter ID laws has been revealed as a cynical ploy to disenfranchise as many likely Democratic voters as possible, with poor people and minorities the main targets"

Can someone explain to me what the issue is? Any citizen of the united states can with a birth certificate obtain a passport or state id if they do not drive. How do people live without a photo id. Need one to open bank account, wrrite a check?

[ShotgunBlast]

I don't understand it myself. I've had a photo ID since I was 15. What's the problem?

[FiremanBob]

Eugene Robinson is a propagandist for the Democrat Party. Anything he writes can be considered a lie unless proven otherwise.

[SHMIV]

You guys are forgetting that such a law may disenfranchise those who are either dead or fictional; we wouldn't want to trample on their rights, would we? C'mon now, get with it...

[mmckee1952]

Anytime Obama & Holder can whip up disinformation against the Republican's and right minded law following people of this nation they will. If I have to show an ID to buy anything that has a age requirement, there is NOTHING at all wrong asking for a voter to show an ID to vote, no if's and's or but's.

[Diomed]

It's interesting that voter fraud is usually only alleged in heavily Democrat areas, and that such allegations never seem to be taken seriously. Unless there's a huge, serious study I missed, the reasonable conclusions seem to be either 1) there is no such thing as widespread, systemic voting fraud, or, 2) it is never investigated so it can't be known one way or another.

Granted, I've been drinking, so I'm probably missing something.

[Kreutz]

They seem sensible to me, especially when states that passed them also mandated a non driver ID be free, so, there's really no excuse.

Worst case scenario is you forget it, then if voting matters that much, just go get it and come back. Since we all travel with our various cards (ATM, credit, whatever), whats the inconvenience of one more?

[davasmith]

The only problem I see is it takes attempted voter fraud out of the equation immediately and as we all know washington does nothing immediately. Bunch of bullshit about nothing jerk (he who authored that peice of deficant). Ahhh thank you.....

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[dorminWS]

Yup. There's something about the allegation that voting is so important that it ought not to be even a slight inconvenience or people won't do it that just doesn't work for me. If it's too much trouble to procure and produce the same I.D. you need to get a job, then you must not have cared very much about it to begin with.

Bottom line is that Mssrs. Obama and Holder are really saying that such a requirement interferes with the basic right of the democratic machine to commit vote fraud and steal elections. When I was a boy, the movers and shakers used to congregate at the local newspaper office on election night to follow the election returns. Most if not all of them were democrats (this was, after all, in Byrd-era Virginia), and they had a standard joke-that-was-really-not-a-joke: "Has the Marble Orchard precinct reported yet?"

[ratherfish]

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[thekinetic]

Yeah you need a birth certificate....they're 2000 bucks in Dc.

[chrismartin]

Things you also need an ID for:

Cashing Checks (if you don't have a bank account at the location, sometimes even if you do)
Payday loans/title loans/etc.
Unemployment benefits
Signing up for food stamps and other benefits
Going to the doctor
Buying a firearm from a dealer (In VA you even have to prove citizenship to buy an AK or AR from a dealer, birth cert, voter card, passport REQUIRED!)
Buying alcohol
Buying cigarettes
Buying ammo
Buying spray paint (in some locations)
Buying cold medicine (anything with Pseudoephedrine in it)
Buying things with a check, sometimes even with CC.
Flying on a plane

So, find me a person that doesn't do any of that and I'll show you a person that hasn't signed up to vote in the first place. If voting is so important to someone who can't be bothered to get an ID of some sort, why should I care? If they don't have a drivers license or car, they must ride the bus. Busses in most places will have routes to city services, where they can get an ID. They can order copies of birth certificates from the state via phone (followed up via mail). We even have mobile DMV busses around here that travel around an process things for people.

I wonder, however, how much voter fraud there is and how much this would help. A lot of the issues that I've read about are people with multiple houses in different states voting in both places (usually by accident, via absentee ballot in one state and in person in another) things like that. I'm more interested in purging the voting rolls consistently.

Then, once we have good rolls, we can talk ID required.

How can you say requiring an ID for voting is a "poll tax" and "burdensome" yet think it is acceptable to require ID to purchase a firearm?

[VBshooter]

Every state in the US should adopt these Voter ID laws and tell the asses that object that the damn civil war is over and all that BS from the 1800's is History.Time for them to get into the realities of life and carry their own damn weight or shut up.....Get ID's or don;t vote.

[scott9050]

You guys are forgetting that such a law may disenfranchise those who are either dead or fictional; we wouldn't want to trample on their rights, would we? C'mon now, get with it...

Don't forget about illegals, felons and apparently animals.

[scott9050]

What I find most amusing is that these Leftist weirdo's are complaining about needing an ID to vote saying that it is a Constitutional right and should not be infringed upon, but at the same time believe that every regulation possible should be heaped upon gun owners in violation of the second amendment. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[SHMIV]

What I find most amusing is that these Leftist weirdo's are complaining about needing an ID to vote saying that it is a Constitutional right and should not be infringed upon, but at the same time believe that every regulation possible should be heaped upon gun owners in violation of the second amendment. Hypocrisy at its finest.

I've never believed that voting was exactly a right, anyway. I view it as more of a privilege. Of course, last time I stated that view, I was accused of being a racist, but, whatever.

[ShotgunBlast]

Good comment about voting being a privilege and not a right.

If you and a group of buddies went out to eat and each paid for your own meal, wouldn't you take a vote on where to go out?

Now if half of your group had to pay for the other half, should the non-paying half have a vote on where to eat?

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[SHMIV]

Now if half of your group had to pay for the other half, should the non-paying half have a vote on where to eat?

Quite the literal analogy, all things considered.

[skeeterss0]

I don't understand not needing an ID to vote. After I registered to vote, the city registar (sp?) sends me a voter id card. It tells me where my election station is and what precints I vote for. So far everytime I have voted that is all I needed to vote. Why can't everyone do that? I don't see how that discriminates against anyone who can legally vote.

[zerodown1]

Eugene Robinson from the Washington Post wrote:

"Spare us any more hooey about 'preventing fraud' and 'protecting the integrity of the ballot box.' The Republican-led crusade for voter ID laws has been revealed as a cynical ploy to disenfranchise as many likely Democratic voters as possible, with poor people and minorities the main targets"

Can someone explain to me what the issue is? Any citizen of the united states can with a birth certificate obtain a passport or state id if they do not drive. How do people live without a photo id. Need one to open bank account, wrrite a check?

The only reason I can think of as to why the Democraps would oppose voter id is that it would make it much harder for them to cheat.