VA CHP question

[baz]

After reading over Handgunlaw.us about VA, I was unable to find an answer to this question:
Suppose someone is a VA resident, gets a resident CHP license, then moves to another state. Does their CHP license then qualify for a non-resident license? Or, do they have to apply again? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

[Moccasin]

I suspect your would have to apply all over again. Resident is issued by your county of residence, non-resident is issued by (I believe) the state police.

[dmharvey]

I just moved to VA from MI. I have a valid Michigan CPL but I was required to apply for a Virginia license... fill out the application, proof of training, proof of residency, $50.00 fee. I'm assuming it would be pretty much the same for a VA resident moving to another state.

Below is a reply I received from the VA State Police when I was preparing to move / transfer my license -

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You may obtain a Virginia nonresident permit now and when you move to
Virginia we can issue you a change of address card. If you would like
to request a nonresident packet send us your full name, mailing address
and a daytime phone number and we will mail you a packet.

Once you become a Virginia resident you may apply with the circuit court
in the jurisdiction where you reside for a resident permit.

Sincerely,

XXXX XXXXX, Supervisor Senior
Firearms Transaction Center
Virginia Department of State Police

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[baz]

Here is what I found on VSP's website

Change of Address:
The clerk of a circuit court that issued a valid concealed handgun permit shall, upon presentation of the valid permit and proof of a new address of residence by the permit holder, issue a replacement permit specifying the permit holder's new address. The total amount assessed for processing a replacement permit due to a change of address shall not exceed $10, with such fees to be paid in one sum to the person who accepts the information for the replacement permit.

So, it sounds unclear (and almost like one could change their resident permit to non-resident). Anyone know for sure? Thanks for your responses.

[GS78]

I am not sure about how to answer your specific question, I do know if you are ever planning to move to New York, you would immediately lose your rights and be permantly added to "The list"

[zephyp]

You are not required by law to submit a change of address request for a VA CHP. It is merely a convenience offered by the system. From the VASP CHP:

The clerk of a circuit court that issued a valid concealed handgun permit shall, upon presentation of the valid permit and proof of a new address of residence by the permit holder, issue a replacement permit specifying the permit holder's new address. The total amount assessed for processing a replacement permit due to a change of address shall not exceed $10, with such fees to be paid in one sum to the person who accepts the information for the replacement permit.

It doesnt say the CHP holder is required to notify upon change of address. You are required to notify DMV upon address change and the two database (I'm pretty sure) are linked. Also note it doesnt specify valid VA permit either.

Having said all that, I think it is generally expected that when you move here you will register in accordance with VA law. A good example is vehicle registration. You are required by law to register your vehicle in VA within so many days.

[zephyp]

Update to previous post. Heres a link to the Fairfax County instructions for CHP. If you scroll to the last page it does say that you "may" (not must or shall) request a duplicate permit for address change. It also qualifies by saying it must be a valid permit issued by Fairfax Circuit Court. Not sure what other counties may have.

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/courts/cir ... CWP-10.pdf

[Moccasin]

Dk, the problem as I see it is that he is leaving the state and therefore no longer a resident but now a non-resident. I don't think it is as much a question of address but whether he is a resident or not. Once he leave the state and accomplishes whatever is required to change state of residence (driver's license, bank accounts, address, etc.) will the court allow him to change the address on his resident permit to out of the state or tell him get a non-resident permit? Just presenting a resident permit with an out-of-state license might present problems, or at least give LEO's a reason to haul him in until a decision can be made.

[VBshooter]

It would seem to me that your VA CHP does not qualify as a Non Resident Permit, You will have to apply to the new state for that,, If it's a reciprocal state with VA , you could probably use it that way until it expires or you decide to apply for a permit in your new state of residence.

[zephyp]

True on both counts. The best thing to do is get a resident permit. That way you dont tempt the cops to give you a hassle.

[gfost1]

Howdy,

The easiest way to figure out these muddy questions is to (try to) think like a bureaucrat. I know it is difficult for a normal person. Try following these simple guidelines:

1) The correct answer is the one that is most inconvenient for the taxpayer.

2) The correct answer is the one that will be most expensive for the taxpayer.

3) If the answer seems sensible and fair, it is wrong.

Regards,

George

[Hiwaytahell]

Howdy,

The easiest way to figure out these muddy questions is to (try to) think like a bureaucrat. I know it is difficult for a normal person. Try following these simple guidelines:

1) The correct answer is the one that is most inconvenient for the taxpayer.

2) The correct answer is the one that will be most expensive for the taxpayer.

3) If the answer seems sensible and fair, it is wrong.

Regards,

George

How true

[baz]

1) The correct answer is the one that is most inconvenient for the taxpayer.
2) The correct answer is the one that will be most expensive for the taxpayer.
3) If the answer seems sensible and fair, it is wrong.

How true.

I just moved to VA from MI. I have a valid Michigan CPL but I was required to apply for a Virginia license... fill out the application, proof of training, proof of residency, $50.00 fee. I'm assuming it would be pretty much the same for a VA resident moving to another state.

Below is a reply I received from the VA State Police when I was preparing to move / transfer my license
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You may obtain a Virginia nonresident permit now and when you move to
Virginia we can issue you a change of address card. If you would like
to request a nonresident packet send us your full name, mailing address
and a daytime phone number and we will mail you a packet.

Once you become a Virginia resident you may apply with the circuit court
in the jurisdiction where you reside for a resident permit.

Sincerely,

XXXX XXXXX, Supervisor Senior
Firearms Transaction Center
Virginia Department of State Police

So, this makes it seem like you can obtain a non-resident permit and switch it to a resident permit when you move. (Probably have to pay for each permit separately. Moreover, you probably have to pay for both when you are have a resident permit and switch to a non-resident permit.) It seems like in my case (where I may have a couple moves in the next couple years) it would be better to get a FL non-resident CCW and have coverage over lots of states (including VA).

[zephyp]

Try this: send a letter to your senator and pose the question to them. Their response.

Thank you for contacting me on the Internet. This year alone I will receive over 100,000 messages from...

[baz]

Maybe I could try to contact a county clerk office and see what they say. But, I thought that someone would have run into this problem.

[gfost1]

Howdy, Baz,

Sorry to hear you'll be leaving so soon. Keep in touch.

Regarding your original post, it strikes me that the answer would depend on the law in the jurisdiction you are moving to. I gather you are currently a VA resident or domiciliary with a resident CHP who is soon to leave. Another state might accept the VA permit as "proof of competency" or something like that.

It appears that, if you return to the Commonwealth before your permit expires, and, if you return to the same political subdivision, that you could make use of the "change of address" benefit you found on the VSP website.

Regards,

George

[VBshooter]

The State Police double speak goes like this. You can apply for the non resident now, The Stae Police handle Non Resident permits, When you move you can get a Change of Address to notify them that you have moved,, Because the districts in this state issue differently, (fingerprints) you will have to meet the districts requirements that you will be living in.

[baz]

Howdy, Baz,
Regarding your original post, it strikes me that the answer would depend on the law in the jurisdiction you are moving to. I gather you are currently a VA resident or domiciliary with a resident CHP who is soon to leave. Another state might accept the VA permit as "proof of competency" or something like that.

I did not clarify this earlier, but I am moving from OH to VA in August. I am guaranteed to have work in VA for 9 months, but, due to the nature of my job, I may have to move again after that 9 month period. (Not that I want to move a lot, but I potentially could have several moves at worse.) So in general, my predicament is this: I would like to get my CHP license but am trying to do it in a way that I would not have to keep applying in each state I live in the next few years ($$$). That is why non-resident FL permit was appealing--it would cover me for OH, WV, VA and more. Similarly, VA would cover me for a lot. Here are my thoughts/choices:

1.) Stay an OH resident, apply for their permit (and potentially after the VA job move back to OH).
2.) Change residency to VA and apply for resident permit, then if moving apply for another permit.
3.) Just get FL non-resident, be covered in lots of states and wherever I move to more permanently (worked dependent) apply for a resident permit, too.

Please, let me know your order of preference. Currently, I am thinking #3, #1, #2 for my order of preference. Thanks everyone for taking interest in my question. I cannot wait to move to VA! (and will certainly miss it if I have to leave!)

[baz]

It appears that, if you return to the Commonwealth before your permit expires, and, if you return to the same political subdivision, that you could make use of the "change of address" benefit you found on the VSP website.

George, thanks! This is good to know.

[gfost1]

Howdy, Baz,

What part of OH-HI-UH? My wife has family there, all over.

I'm not up to date regarding reciprocity, but I won't let that stand in the way of my $.02. VCDL.ORG is prolly gonna be your best resource on that subject.

That said, my opinion is that the pitfalls of doing it wrong are not worth the risk. If you want to carry in VA while a resident or domiciliary, get the VA resident permit. Non-resident permits and reciprocity agreements are made to protect travelers.

In many respects, governments are like criminals in the way they select their victims. Virginia is a good state for gun owners, but they will bust your a$$ if they catch you in the wrong. Don't give them the chance. And welcome to Virginia!

Regards,

George