OWS protestor gets owned by ex-Marine / cop

[OakRidgeStars]

Feel good story of the day.

http://www.jammiewf.com/2011/photo-of-t ... -deserves/

I wonder how long it took to wash the dirty hippy smell off his hands?

[Kreutz]

Interesting:

Kevin Hiltunen, a former NYPD officer, yesterday grabbedan Occupy Wall Street demonstrator by the collar and dragged him out of a Queens school where he’d been heckling US Rep. Bob Turner at the congressman’s swearing-in ceremony.

“I guess you could say I sorted him out,” said Hiltunen, 48, his jacket and tie barely mussed after dragging the scruffy protester out on his rear end.

“All I was doing was trying to stop this historic occasion from being disrupted. There is a time and place to exercise your First Amendment rights,’’ said Hiltunen, of Bergen Beach, Brooklyn, who was identified by people at the ceremony as an ex-Marine.

“This was not the time or the venue,” Hiltunen added.

So basically this guy decided he is the sole arbiter of the first amendment, commits battery, and is "New Yorks newest hero". Imagine that.

Ya'all can praise this heavy handed crap, but don't complain when its you on the receiving end.

[OakRidgeStars]

If I turn into a clueless dirty hippie in the near future, I hope somebody will beat the crap out of me. I'll deserve it.

[dorminWS]

Hey, Kreutz, ole buddy, in spite of the fact that you used "ya'all"(but misspelled it - it's pretty much universally spelled “ya'll”), you haven't yet managed to fully assimilate into the culture down here. Don't take offense, please; I for one am gratified to see you trying. Let me try to indoctrinate you further:

You see, down here we've got a concept called "manners"; and while it isn't always strictly adhered to, folks who deviate too grievously from the norm tend to suffer from some form of getting their ass whupped. And when that happens, the attitude generally is that whatever got tore out of their ass is bought and paid for. That's what happened here. The guy was technically within his rights. But he was obnoxious and disruptive in a way that aggrieved a vast majority. So down here we tend to applaud when somebody takes the bull by the horns and gives the guy the spanking that his mamma should have given him when he was 6; whereby he might have learned some manners. If you want to split philosophical hairs, maybe you could make out an argument that his behavior was close kin to hollering "FIRE" in a crowded theatre, which is UNPROTECTED. Or you could point out that there was no state action here because this ex-marine ex-cop was acting as a private individual. But the bald truth here is, we'uns applaud what was done because it needed doin'.

That help any?

[wylde007]

It's pretty universally spelled "y'all", BTW. As a contraction of "you" and "all" the apostrophe belongs as noted.

Pronounced like a sailing vessel of Dutch design, the "yawl".

[VBshooter]

Damn ,wish their were pics of the clown getting a boot in the ass too!! Ill mannerd SOB!

[OakRidgeStars]

More pics at New York Post article

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/quee ... L0vKMOjS4H

[tursiops]

I'm glad he is an EX-cop. I wonder if this kind of behavior is why....

Manners is one thing, but total lack of self-restraint and disregard of the law is another. He is not a hero, but a bully.

Yes, the loudmouth was a jerk and a butthole, and i would probably have applauded his tail being dragged out at the moment, but on reflection this is the kind of wild-west behavior that should not be excused. What kind of nation are we where we condone bullies?

[this is where wylde comes in and says I'm an embarrassment to Virginia...]

[fuze]

Interesting:

Kevin Hiltunen, a former NYPD officer, yesterday grabbedan Occupy Wall Street demonstrator by the collar and dragged him out of a Queens school where he’d been heckling US Rep. Bob Turner at the congressman’s swearing-in ceremony.

“I guess you could say I sorted him out,” said Hiltunen, 48, his jacket and tie barely mussed after dragging the scruffy protester out on his rear end.

“All I was doing was trying to stop this historic occasion from being disrupted. There is a time and place to exercise your First Amendment rights,’’ said Hiltunen, of Bergen Beach, Brooklyn, who was identified by people at the ceremony as an ex-Marine.

“This was not the time or the venue,” Hiltunen added.

So basically this guy decided he is the sole arbiter of the first amendment, commits battery, and is "New Yorks newest hero". Imagine that.

Pretty much...

[SHMIV]

So a OWS participant disrupted a ceremony and was removed. I have no problem with that.

Had a guy associated with the Tea Party movement (hypothetically speaking, of course) disrupted Obama's swearing in ceremony, I wouldn't have objected to him being removed, either.

Hiltunen was right, that was neither the time nor the venue. Exercising your rights to free speech is one thing, but being a public nuisance is something else, entirely.

[ss313]

I guess I come from a different time or dimension or something because I don't see an arguement here. I doubt that this OWS demonstrator was invited to this ceremony and it looks to me like he caused a dsruption and was escorted out. In the part of VA that I come from if you show up at someone else's get together (public or private) and cause trouble you will 1) be asked to quiet down or leave, 2) be told to get out, and if you still haven't gotten the hint you will be removed.

I don't want anyone dictating to me when I can exercise my first amendment rights but I was taught manners and common decency. There is a time and place for everything and inside the ceremony was not it. If this guy had of been outside and the ex cop had roughed him up then I would agree that it was uncalled for but as it stands I say that he should have expected something like this.

[mamabearCali]

This was not a public forum (a town hall or something like that)--this was a swearing in ceremony. You can't just walk into any space where there is an elected official doing his duty (being sworn in) and start shouting at them at any time preventing them from doing their duty. I guarantee you will be removed from the area forcibly. You have a grievance-good--you want to talk with you congressman--even better! Go about it like everyone else. Write a letter, make a phone call, go to a town hall, make an appointment. Act like a drunken irresponsible hoodlum, get treated like one. I have known many marines, if he had wanted to "injure" this man he could have, he did not. All he did was stop an unruly man from preventing the elected official from going about his duties.

[scott9050]

Absolutely nothing wrong with what he did. Part of the problem with this country these days is a minority of people thinking that they can tell the majority what they can and can't do. These are the same types of scum bags who protest and stop Christmas in schools and gun owners from exercising their rights in certain parts of the country. To hell with the hippie, he got what he deserved.

[Reverenddel]

(shrugs) A lack of manners will cause a reaction. He just got a different reaction than he was expecting .

[wylde007]

Manners is one thing, but total lack of self-restraint and disregard of the law is another. He is not a hero, but a bully.

[this is where wylde comes in and says I'm an embarrassment to Virginia...]

I don't know why you would think that, you are absolutely correct.

Unless you are making an attempt at sarcastic humor... but you would never stoop that low now, would you?

(shrugs) A lack of manners will cause a reaction. He just got a different reaction than he was expecting.

Did he?

Despite my disagreement with the ex-officer's behaviour and the fact that he ASSAULTED another citizen (crime), I would hazard a bet that this Occupier got pretty much the response he was looking for - which means the ex-cop fell right into his trap.

[mamabearCali]

Despite my disagreement with the ex-officer's behaviour and the fact that he ASSAULTED another citizen (crime), I would hazard a bet that this Occupier got pretty much the response he was looking for - which means the ex-cop fell right into his trap.

Well I have a question is a bouncer tossing a person out of a bar for being disorderly charged with assault? How about private security firms escorting unruly people out of a building. Look the protestor went there to cause trouble and trouble found him--end of story. He should thank his lucky stars it was a marine that took him out of the building depositing him on the sidewalk and not the cops because he likely would have ended up in much worse shape and tazed. That is if he was lucky.

Perhaps by a technical definition the marine could be charged with assault, but then by a technical definition the protestor could be charged with disorderly conduct, possibly trespassing, if this was not a public event, and depending on the content of his speech perhaps even more. So if we want to start shouting "crime! crime!" there could be a great deal of nastiness to go around.

[wylde007]

Since the "occupier" was not engaged in a felony activity nor a qualifying misdemeanor the understood concept of citizens arrest under common law does not apply.

And unless the ex-cop was in the employ of the owners, he has no vested interest in removing interlopers other than his own ego. (Thereby addressing your "bouncer/private security" question)

I acknowledged that the protestor probably got what was coming to him, a fact you appear to blatantly disregard, but the fact remains that an assault took place in front of ACTUAL law-enforcement and if the occupier had it in his mind he could press charges AND subpoena the officer, who would be duty-bound to not perjure himself, right?

Both the occupier and the marine, in this case, are cretins. The occupier got what he deserved, but the marine being lauded as some kind of hero for smacking around a gibbering, pasty punk is both laughable and disturbing.

[mamabearCali]

I'd say that depends on what the police officer saw. If say, he saw a man behaving in a disorderly and a threatening manner in a public and a citizen stepped in just before he was going to and removed the threat then the police officer would have little to say that would help the occupier in court and much that would damage any case he might have. The marine, then did not assault the occupier, but simply assisted the police in the removal of a possible threat from the premises.

[wylde007]

Based on the articles I have read, this man acted independent of any desire to assist law enforcement, rather to show his own bada**edness and throw a "dirty hippie" out into the street, with prejudice.

What I hope people take away from this is that the actions of neither party are excusable, but the second act is one of retaliation, not intervention.

There's a big difference and, at the risk of sounding like my mother "Two wrongs don't make a right".

[mamabearCali]

So according to you if a person is being disruptive and disorderly in a public setting, we all have a duty to sit on our hands quietly till the police arrive to sort the situation out and let the guy rant and rave all he likes interrupting whatever is going on.....Yep that always turns out so well.

My mom also told me to stand up to bullies and not to put up with their nonsense.