Tired of all the side stepping.

[Reverenddel]

As long as people have their junk food, 100+ cable channels, and Facebook?

They're sheep.

[Kreutz]

Never said unlawful action. Just action of a real nature. How about going to congressional meetings and demanding to be heard? How about holding a public trial of our leaders who have raped this country? How about buying air time on tv to voice the truth. How about putting ads in the movie theatres before the movie? Ass to task, that's all I'm saying.

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Its not "suspicion", its practicality.

If voting changed anything it would be illegal.

The part about actually holding our "leaders" accountable? About putting we the people back in charge?

That is insurrection as the system defines it, since they set the terms.

Remember, he who stands the tallest is first to be shot in the head.

Keep your mouth shut and head down. This will pass in time. All empires, nations, and regimes do eventually.

[dorminWS]

Putting "we the people" n charge is what the trouble is. "We", as a group, are just too stupid, lazy and gullible to drive the bus. We proved it in 2008. Sorry.

[Kreutz]

Putting "we the people" n charge is what the trouble is. "We", as a group, are just too stupid, lazy and gullible to drive the bus. We proved it in 2008. Sorry.

Fascism for the win? Its certainly more efficient when its one man, one vote...and only one man has the vote.

[davasmith]

All valid points, even yours kreutz. However, head down back of the line is not something I can or will do. I've taught my children to stand their ground and what kind of an example would I be? Kelu, I know where your coming from. My ancestors, the cherokee nation, had the same thing happen to them. First the white man was friendly then when they realized what they could "take", they took. The govt is following suit today. So if I seem hotheaded or radical, I am when it comes to something I love and I love my country. We all on this site like or at least have an interest in guns, right? If you were in bed and someone broke into your home would you cowar in a corner for fear of imminent danger? I would not, i'd investigate and terminate. Its just my nature. I am not telling anyone to do any violent act, I'm just curious who's real on this site and who is just talk. There are an awful lot of crickets out there.................

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[Reverenddel]

Famous Phrases I keep in mind when someone from the Guv'mint speaks:

"Think you can trust the U.S. Government? Ask a Native American!"

[Kreutz]

All valid points, even yours kreutz. However, head down back of the line is not something I can or will do. I've taught my children to stand their ground and what kind of an example would I be? Kelu, I know where your coming from. My ancestors, the cherokee nation, had the same thing happen to them. First the white man was friendly then when they realized what they could "take", they took. The govt is following suit today. So if I seem hotheaded or radical, I am when it comes to something I love and I love my country. We all on this site like or at least have an interest in guns, right? If you were in bed and someone broke into your home would you cowar in a corner for fear of imminent danger? I would not, i'd investigate and terminate. Its just my nature. I am not telling anyone to do any violent act, I'm just curious who's real on this site and who is just talk. There are an awful lot of crickets out there.................

Put me down as someone who genuinely doesn't feel particularly oppressed/is content with their lot in life....as I suspect most Americans are.

For the record if even that changed I'd still just live my life in peace. People adapt to new normalcy all the time.

For me, its better a live sheep than a dead warrior. Actually, that reminds me, I once read somewhere Westerners may be so beaten down because the men that were willing to fight largely died in the last two world wars(from all participating nations), leaving behind the more ah, civilian inclined to reproduce.

[CCFan]

And there are people out there that feed off the fact knowing that when *your* turn to be oppressed comes along, there won't be a fight because you'd rather live as a sheep. That's the problem. And I dare say many of those warriors were more, as you put it, "civilian" in the sense of being civil to others than a lot of the sheep alive today. Don't confuse complacency with civility...

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[davasmith]

I'll live in peace when and while I can. I prefer it and my wife does to, but I am a warrior and patriot who will not sit back and watch. Our country's welfare is not a spectator sport!

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[kelu]

For me, its better a live sheep than a dead warrior. Actually, that reminds me, I once read somewhere Westerners may be so beaten down because the men that were willing to fight largely died in the last two world wars(from all participating nations), leaving behind the more ah, civilian inclined to reproduce.

That's why America is not what is was. And extrapolating from here, you can see how it will in couple generations. Not the land of the free and brave, but the land of obese sheeple watching America got talent.

Doesn't it seem like the world is getting dumber with every passing year? Well, maybe it is!:http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/IQ/1950-2050/

[Wallace]

All valid points, even yours kreutz. However, head down back of the line is not something I can or will do. I've taught my children to stand their ground and what kind of an example would I be? Kelu, I know where your coming from. My ancestors, the cherokee nation, had the same thing happen to them. First the white man was friendly then when they realized what they could "take", they took. The govt is following suit today. So if I seem hotheaded or radical, I am when it comes to something I love and I love my country. We all on this site like or at least have an interest in guns, right? If you were in bed and someone broke into your home would you cowar in a corner for fear of imminent danger? I would not, i'd investigate and terminate. Its just my nature. I am not telling anyone to do any violent act, I'm just curious who's real on this site and who is just talk. There are an awful lot of crickets out there.................

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You know whats funny about crickets? If you have one in your house you can hear the dang thing, you know he is there, sometimes there are a bunch, but it sure is hard to find them.

You know what else is funny about crickets? If you make a loud noise, they get real damn quiet.

Another thing about crickets, if you can find one, they make good bait.

[Kreutz]

You know whats funny about crickets? If you have one in your house you can hear the dang thing, you know he is there, sometimes there are a bunch, but it sure is hard to find them.

You know what else is funny about crickets? If you make a loud noise, they get real damn quiet.

Another thing about crickets, if you can find one, they make good bait.

Smart man.

[Roverhound]

As long as we have single issue voters and voters who blindly vote party and not the candidate, we will continue on our downward spiral.

[mamabearCali]

Well I am not single issue exactly. I have about a top five that are non-negotiable then about another ten that the person had better at least lean my way. however I usually end up voting R because the D option strikes out on every issue in my book excepting one or two.


Sorry about the crickets.....got a family things get busy for moms with four kids. I agree withi your frustration Davasmith. I think your suggestions are excellent especially the one about meeting with our representatives not just talking to them in phone messages,letters, and email. Been puzzling over ini my head how to practically do just that.

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[Wallace]

Well I am not single issue exactly. I have about a top five that are non-negotiable then about another ten that the person had better at least lean my way. however I usually end up voting R because the D option strikes out on every issue in my book excepting one or two.


Sorry about the crickets.....got a family things get busy for moms with four kids. I agree withi your frustration Davasmith. I think your suggestions are excellent especially the one about meeting with our representatives not just talking to them in phone messages,letters, and email. Been puzzling over ini my head how to practically do just that.

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Meeting with your elected representatives is the best thing crickets can do. And hopefully over time more crickets will join in and the noise will get so loud that it can not be ignored. But you let some hot head do something stupid "in the name of" all the others and it will all be lost.
Like it or not our elected leaders steer the ship. Nothing big ever happens without them. Having the support of the State of Virginia is a big thing for anyone with deep enough pockets to effect change.

I can completely understand the OP's frustration though. But at the same time, instead of asking other people to start something that he can get involved in, he should start something himself. Just in my short time here I have seen people advertise meetups and cookouts and the like. That is how stuff can happen, small groups of like minded people meeting to express their interests and exercise their freedom of association, and encouraging others to support XYZ. The internet is a great place to kill time, but the real world is where it all happens.

[davasmith]

Wallace I couldn't agree more with you. I am in the process of doing something right now. I have randy forbes and bill bollings ears and I'm pursuing mcdonnels. Sit downs are hard to do with their schedules but its not impossible. What i'd like to see is others of a like mind to get off their butts and put action behind their words. Ass to task if you will. Hince my afore mentioned more elbows less a**holes. "We" need finances to buy newspaper ads, commercial time, ads on movie screens that air prior to the movie, ect.... "we" can do this, at this moment in time, "I" cannot.

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[gfost1]

"All politics is local"
- Thomas Phillip O'Neill, Jr.

[tursiops]

davasmith, I appreciate your concern and your desire for action. I agree that talking face-to-face with our elected representatives is one of the most important things an individual can do. It is also one of the most-easy-to-screw-up things an individual can do! One slip of the tongue, one lost emotion, one misunderstood suggestion, and much can be lost. Your first few posts in this thread could easily turn a representative away, and alienate him strongly. So tread lightly, and don't lose your cool.

[allingeneral]

You guys are talking about exactly the problem that got us where we are today. We all sat back quietly while special interest groups spent millions of dollars and thousands of hours of direct communication with our leadership. For a long time, we assumed that our leadership was smart enough not to bend to all of the crazies out there. Unfortunately, they have been at it long enough and loud enough that our leaders think that they represent the majority of us.

We don't have a "cause" to push. We don't have anything to yell about - except now things have gotten so crazy out of control that we have A LOT to yell about...but now since everything is so extreme, and there's so much that we want to yell about - it makes us sound like a bunch of conservative crazies who want to go back to the Stone Age. Well, that's how the "progressives" try to paint us, anyway.

We really are in a bad position right now, as things have "progressed" so far beyond what many of us want, and in many, or likely *most* cases, the "progress" can't be reversed, no matter how much we yell about it.

[newdovo]

Bear with me on this story... as we could take a lesson.
A couple years ago, my oldest daughter was found to have melanoma. Skin cancer... At 20 years old. It's something that used to affect older folks, but has become more prevalent in young women. She had surgery, removing the affected spots, as well as lymph nodes, to ensure that it hadn't spread. She's good now, but will be monitored for a reoccurrence for life.
Many believe that tanning, particularly in tanning beds/salons, has been a big source of this. For years, tanning beds have been sold as being "safer" than outdoor sun exposure. But the numbers don't lie. My daughter, a beautiful, fair skinned, red-head, tanned at salons for only two summers.
My daughter became involved in the Melanoma Research Foundation, and is somewhat of an activist now. She has advocated/educated for skin health/safety, and speaks to groups interested in the topic, as well as coordinating a booth at the local community festival (a big deal in our town). She has been a couple lots down from the booth of the tanning place, where she used to go tanning, for the last two festivals! Awkward.
Next week, I'm going to D.C. with her to a "lobby day" that the MRF has coordinated. We will meet individually with our elected officials from the House and Senate to talk about the issues that the Melanoma Research Foundation thinks are important, including skin health awareness, research for melanoma, and how tanning beds are involved.

So here's the thought... Do WE do this for our cause? I know the NRA has professionals to go to lobby Congress. But do we have Joe Citizen, from our states, from our neighborhoods, to lobby Congress? Do we have a coordinated effort where everyday people talk to our elected officials and tell their stories about what's important to them, and why?
Going back to the original post, Joshua (davasmith), can WE affect change in this way? Rather than "continue to sit, bitch, and hope someone else will fix the problems", can we coordinate putting some "more elbows" into the issue? Thoughts Josh?
I don't know... Maybe with the help of VCDL we could organize our own lobby day... or do we do that already?

Parry