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seeknulfind wrote:First a few kudos since my last post...

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@Kreutz Your broad statements about people blaming the current administrator for events before his birth do not at all add to your credibility. Neither does your apparent assumption that someone who does not care for the current chief administrator necessarily embraces everything the opposing party does or has ever done.

I do believe I've been reasonably consistent about spending. I grew up in a one parent family where that one parent never made more than ten cents above minimum wage. I was conservative then and I'm conservative now.

I watched much of the TARP proceedings - it was the most television I watched in years. I screamed loud enough at people from both sides that they might have heard had they been listening. After all, I was only a couple hours away from D.C..

My biggest objection to the TARP program, was I felt they were panicking rather than taking careful consideration. I also did not like the wording of the document. I felt it was far too broad.

I haven't kept track, but it seems most,if not all, of the money was paid back. So what did our thoughtful representatives do when they happened? They looked to see where they could spend it. This money was BORROWED for a purpose (unspecific as it was) and should have been PAID BACK.

Even so, when it comes to spending, I believed Reagan did the right thing and I believe it now. If I had lived during the WWII years, I would have supported that spending also.

Generally speaking though, I think our nation would be far better off if we practiced pay-as-you-go spending.

The story about the $5 capacitor says a great deal. It is evidence of what's wrong with Washington. The capacitor isn't grossly overpriced because one supplier is crooked - it's overpriced because the entire system is corrupt. Have you ever tried to dine in D.C.? Better bring your bank account. Why? Because the city is grossly overpriced. The entire culture among the movers and shakers in D.C. is one of privilege and excess. This is nothing new - watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" sometime. However the culture, the attitude in this city is arrogant and self-serving. Did you HEAR that? SELF-SERVING not "serving the PUBLIC".

This country has changed so much since I was a boy and yet much of the things that went on then are still going on. I've grown up watching my country self destruct. It is falling apart before our eyes and all we do is point fingers.

Face facts - WE are to blame. WE send these fools to Washington, allow them to wallow in the corruption built up over decades, and then whine about how bad things are.

Starting years ago, I've advocated sending a simple message to our legislators: STOP. Stop throwing money around like it is confetti. STOP micromanaging our lives by passing idiotic laws.

These words fell on deaf ears.

Just this week the Dept. of Transportation was thwarted in an attempt to force farmers to adhere to commercial trucking regulations to operate farm equipment. The one question I never heard asked?

By what authority did they think they could do this?

We no longer ask the basic questions. We just assume "the authorities" have whatever "rights" they want to seize. Sure, they were beat back this time but they at least managed to plant the seed that they have some sort of jurisdiction here. And as far as I can tell NOBODY CONTESTED THIS.

This example may seem random but it indicates how rampant our government has become.

People are starting to wake up again. The rights we are used to enjoying are being usurped at an alarming rate. This didn't start with this administration, but it has snowballed with it. I have seen nothing to suggest this administration in any way opposes this trend. Indeed, the first major task the chief administrator undertook was a plan to seize control of our health care system - a task his Secretary of State failed at when her husband was in the White House. He hasn't stopped there by any means and many citizens have taken notice.

I liken the current situation to a coming hurricane. We knew the season was upon us and ignored it. We were warned of a potential storm and yawned. When told the storm was headed our way, most went about their business - we've weathered such things before. Some got worried when the winds started picking up. Some prepared early but most stormed the supermarkets only hours before the storm hit. Now it's obvious this is a major blow and many are scrambling en mass to survive it. And yet, curiously, there are those who insist on holding "hurricane parties". They are either oblivious to, or welcome the coming winds. They almost seem to happy in anticipation of the coming destruction... even if they are swept up in it themselves.

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allingeneral wrote:
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zephyp wrote:Kreutz, how you can honestly think that obama hasnt spent a ton of money more than anyone else is way beyond me. Surely you are smarter than that.
He has. But my point is he is simply following in everyone elses footsteps....to throw the gauntlet down now seems odd.
One point that I would like to specifically call out - Obama is NOT following in everyone else's footsteps. He has stepped WAY beyond anything that anyone else has done or even considered.
Yes, he has, but my point was had the last several Presidents not pissed our money away like drunken sailors, would Obama have been so emboldened (or even gotten away with it?). He is continuing a legacy of spending money we dont have, just on a larger scale.

And lets take the debt ceiling debacle...its been raised dozens of times, with maybe only a little chest-beating, but no showdown like last time, why the resistance only under Obama? Its just more of the same deficit spending. Republicans are only fiscal hawks whenever a Dem is in office, its true.

@Kreutz Your broad statements about people blaming the current administrator for events before his birth do not at all add to your credibility. Neither does your apparent assumption that someone who does not care for the current chief administrator necessarily embraces everything the opposing party does or has ever done.
Its sarcasm. I strongly suspect Obama will be blamed if Cantors car fails to start one morning.

I have mixed feelings about Obama but the fever pitch of blame and hate thrown towards the guy seems desperate and suspiciously intended to distract us from....something.
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Yes, he has, but my point was had the last several Presidents not pissed our money away like drunken sailors, would Obama have been so emboldened (or even gotten away with it?). He is continuing a legacy of spending money we dont have, just on a larger scale.

And lets take the debt ceiling debacle...its been raised dozens of times, with maybe only a little chest-beating, but no showdown like last time, why the resistance only under Obama? Its just more of the same deficit spending. Republicans are only fiscal hawks whenever a Dem is in office, its true.


@Kreutz Your broad statements about people blaming the current administrator for events before his birth do not at all add to your credibility. Neither does your apparent assumption that someone who does not care for the current chief administrator necessarily embraces everything the opposing party does or has ever done.



Its sarcasm. I strongly suspect Obama will be blamed if Cantors car fails to start one morning.

I have mixed feelings about Obama but the fever pitch of blame and hate thrown towards the guy seems desperate and suspiciously intended to distract us from....something.
Strangely, I agree with you more than you may know. While my own feelings about the chief administrator are not at all mixed, he is not acting alone. Nor are his actions entirely different than some before him.

I am well-versed in the language of sarcasm however, I felt that this volley did your efforts no service.

What I find really odd is all the backlash at the Tea Party in particular concerning the downgrading of our nations credit rating. I can only wonder how that rating would have fared had the 'Tea Party not been there.

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SHMIV wrote:
pnkmdfnky wrote:seeknulfind...I agree and I would love to add to that. I am AD military and one issue we have and its a rather large issue is the cost of what we pay to do business as a military for supplies and logistics. I have to order lets say a capacitor through the supply system that you can buy at Radio shack for 35 cents it cost the military 5 dollars. Go ahead and multiply that by several times for full systems and so on. Just taking away the government regulation and introducing competition into what we do as a business would save us billions upon billions a year. There is a program where you can report price gouging and I have filled out two reports on over cost parts that we could buy elsewhere and save thousands of dollars. you know what I was told they do not have a government contract therefore we can't buy that. Well i don't know who set up the system but they are making a poop ton of cash.
That right there is something that should be fixed. Jumping from 35 cents to 5 dollars is one hell of a mark up.
That's not a fair comparison. Ratshack doesn't carry high quality parts! Tight tolerances, QC/QA, materials, etc. all make up that difference too. It's like complaining that the dampeners for a Ferrari cost a bit more than your pickup. Just because their function is similar doesn't mean the extra cost of "racing" shocks isn't worth it.
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gunderwood wrote: That's not a fair comparison. Ratshack doesn't carry high quality parts! Tight tolerances, QC/QA, materials, etc. all make up that difference too. It's like complaining that the dampeners for a Ferrari cost a bit more than your pickup. Just because their function is similar doesn't mean the extra cost of "racing" shocks isn't worth it.
Garrett - there are some cases where what you say is true. But a hammer is a hammer. Not much tolerance required there.
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Spending is one thing... throwing money around like you print it ... OH! WAIT! THEY DOOOOOOOOO!!!! :roll:

AGAIN! I WANT A NEW GODBLESSED COIN!

I couldn't care about comparing one thief to another... I want someone to come into office, find the overlap, stop it, find the programs that do not work, stop those, and then start being RESPONSIBLE with the funds we HAVE TAKEN from us...

Notice I didn't say "GIVE THEM", because if I had a choice to fund the programs i use? It would be Emergency Services, Highways, and Education.

And government programs are NOT set up to BUILD anyone UP! I have friends that are working, and barely making it, living frugally for years, but with a downturn, and high fuel prices, they're hurting. And they do NOT qualify for food assistance, or energy share, or any of the ilk. Why? Because they make just a FEW dollars more than the qualifications.

Help these people FIRST! Help the LAZY ONES WHO DO NOTHING LAST!

"YOU HAVE TO WORK TO QUALIFY" ought to be the FIRST rule of a Government Program, unless you're SERIOUSLY PHYSICALLY DISABLED, or a CHILD! Otherwise? Too bad, you don't "qualify".
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Reverenddel wrote:Spending is one thing... throwing money around like you print it ... OH! WAIT! THEY DOOOOOOOOO!!!! :roll:

AGAIN! I WANT A NEW GODBLESSED COIN!

I couldn't care about comparing one thief to another... I want someone to come into office, find the overlap, stop it, find the programs that do not work, stop those, and then start being RESPONSIBLE with the funds we HAVE TAKEN from us...

Notice I didn't say "GIVE THEM", because if I had a choice to fund the programs i use? It would be Emergency Services, Highways, and Education.

And government programs are NOT set up to BUILD anyone UP! I have friends that are working, and barely making it, living frugally for years, but with a downturn, and high fuel prices, they're hurting. And they do NOT qualify for food assistance, or energy share, or any of the ilk. Why? Because they make just a FEW dollars more than the qualifications.

Help these people FIRST! Help the LAZY ONES WHO DO NOTHING LAST!

"YOU HAVE TO WORK TO QUALIFY" ought to be the FIRST rule of a Government Program, unless you're SERIOUSLY PHYSICALLY DISABLED, or a CHILD! Otherwise? Too bad, you don't "qualify".
The federal government has no business involving themselves in education. Nor does the state, in my opinion. You'll note the current condition of the public school system. We no longer have schools, but indoctrination camps.

The federal government was originally intended as a voluntary umbrella of protection; the states were to remain sovereign. Of course, the last time a group of states attempted to exercise their right to leave the umbrella, the POTUS declared war on them.

It seems to me that almost everything that the federal government does steps outside their boundary of operation. Welfare, schools, EPA, ATF, FDA, etc., etc. The only federal programs that I would keep would be military and CIA... and those two could probably be combined.
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SHMIV wrote:
Reverenddel wrote:Spending is one thing... throwing money around like you print it ... OH! WAIT! THEY DOOOOOOOOO!!!! :roll:

AGAIN! I WANT A NEW GODBLESSED COIN!

I couldn't care about comparing one thief to another... I want someone to come into office, find the overlap, stop it, find the programs that do not work, stop those, and then start being RESPONSIBLE with the funds we HAVE TAKEN from us...

Notice I didn't say "GIVE THEM", because if I had a choice to fund the programs i use? It would be Emergency Services, Highways, and Education.

And government programs are NOT set up to BUILD anyone UP! I have friends that are working, and barely making it, living frugally for years, but with a downturn, and high fuel prices, they're hurting. And they do NOT qualify for food assistance, or energy share, or any of the ilk. Why? Because they make just a FEW dollars more than the qualifications.

Help these people FIRST! Help the LAZY ONES WHO DO NOTHING LAST!

"YOU HAVE TO WORK TO QUALIFY" ought to be the FIRST rule of a Government Program, unless you're SERIOUSLY PHYSICALLY DISABLED, or a CHILD! Otherwise? Too bad, you don't "qualify".
The federal government has no business involving themselves in education. Nor does the state, in my opinion. You'll note the current condition of the public school system. We no longer have schools, but indoctrination camps.

The federal government was originally intended as a voluntary umbrella of protection; the states were to remain sovereign. Of course, the last time a group of states attempted to exercise their right to leave the umbrella, the POTUS declared war on them.

It seems to me that almost everything that the federal government does steps outside their boundary of operation. Welfare, schools, EPA, ATF, FDA, etc., etc. The only federal programs that I would keep would be military and CIA... and those two could probably be combined.

+1 And cue Kreutz................
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jim100 wrote:+1 And cue Kreutz................
Smart-ass. :friends:

Hell, by all means have no consumer oversight, copyright protection, functional courts, Census, accounting system, roads, weather service, satellites, or any other nifty things that contribute to a functional society, pare it down to the military and the CIA, yep.

I will agree many....many...many federal agencies are useless, but a minority of them are purposeful and even useful.
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Roads can be tended to on a state level, and for the most part, they already are. Note the difference in pavement when traveling across the NC/VA border on I-85.

Admittedly, I oversimplified my point (point being, as you said, that there are many useless federal agencies), but it does appear, Kreutz, that you and I are largely in agreement on this particular issue.
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AGAIN! I'm talking about at LOCAL, STATE, and FEDERAL level!

INFRASTRUCTURE! DEFENSE(including emergency services)! EDUCATION!

These are the three things people deal with EVERY day... The "consumer protection"? Frakin' joke, you seen the recalls? How about lead in the paint? What about the substructure Chinese dry wall?

"COPYRIGHT PROTECTION"!?!? :roll: SERIOUSLY!?!? SERIOUSLY!?!?! THAT is what you pull as a VALID agency? If you had said "PATENT OFFICE" I may have given you that, but WAIT! You need to surf thru years of red-tape, or hire a patent attorney, to get that done! Where is the sense in that? It brings items to market too SLOW!

QUIRK.COM SOLVED THAT PROBLEM! From Idea to market with patents in place in 6-8 weeks! PRIVATE INDUSTRY!

I could argue each point individually, but it's ice-skating up hill brotha... I ain't convincing you, you ain't convincing me...

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Kreutz wrote:
jim100 wrote:+1 And cue Kreutz................
Smart-ass. :friends:

Hell, by all means have no consumer oversight, copyright protection, functional courts, Census, accounting system, roads, weather service, satellites, or any other nifty things that contribute to a functional society, pare it down to the military and the CIA, yep.

I will agree many....many...many federal agencies are useless, but a minority of them are purposeful and even useful.
Gee, funny thing about all of the things you cite above, most of which are government provided...THEY SEEM TO FIT THE TERM "CONSTITUTIONAL" -- no entitlements in your list and they all look suspiciously to me like things which are for the general WELFARE of the citizenry and not handouts to people that do nothing more than hold their hands out like monkeys in a zoo...
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Reverenddel wrote:Isn't a nice Springfield XD in .45 ACP Tactical a thing of beauty? :friends:
Why yes, I do believe it is!
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zephyp wrote:Gee, funny thing about all of the things you cite above, most of which are government provided...THEY SEEM TO FIT THE TERM "CONSTITUTIONAL" -- no entitlements in your list and they all look suspiciously to me like things which are for the general WELFARE of the citizenry and not handouts to people that do nothing more than hold their hands out like monkeys in a zoo...
Man, I have no problem letting the perpetual hand-out crowd starve to death. It would be a good start to fixing alot of problems here actually.

"Entitlements"though is a loaded word. I work, pay into certain social safety nets, and expect them to be there for me if/when I need them, not really an "entitlement" so much as insurance.

I would argue these programs (which incidentally would be fiscally sound if Congress didnt keep "borrowing" from them) do meet that "general welfare" spirit.

Anyone of us could be become truly disabled, and social security takes care of alot of widows and orphans, which is one of its fewer known virtues.

But yeah, things are out of control, I have to agree. Major reforms are needed.
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Glad we like the same pistols Kreutz! HAHAHA

Back to the subject, I have always thought that welfare, food stamps, and medicare should be providing to the PHYSICALLY DISABLED FIRST! Then WORKING POOR! Then ELDERLY WHO ARE INDISPOSED (IE: Not loaded with cash)!

Those that do not work, do not eat. Those that pump out babies to make extra money in their checks, Do not eat.

It's cold, it's hard, but those first three? I believe in them. It's how your treat your struggling, and elderly that speak volumes to me.

Those punkazzed beeyatches who are in their 20's, perfectly healthy, and NOT EVEN TRYING? I think they should be given the option to sign up for Guv'mint service in repairing roads, bridges, and parks, with their only pay being food, a roof over their heads, and small stipend for sending home to care for their families.
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Corrupt Government, corrupt news media, corrupt law enforcement and the continued assaults on the 2nd Amendment.
Once they get rid of this, they own you. Lock, stock and panty liner.
Who are they, Liberal Communists wealthy royalty wannbes.
Congress is out of control, the DNC is the most out of touch currently, all having drank the kool aide of the evil one Obama and SoroS the Communist.
Then comes the RINO Liberals and ultra wealthy party jumpers. Lieberman, Ron Paul sr., McConnell, Romney, Kerry and others,
Then there are Pelosi, Franks, Reid, Schumer, Weiner, the Devils deciples at a whole.
Then you have Beohner, Ryan, DeMint, Issa, who say they are doing their job, but refuse to indict Obama on malfeasances in office, for A) no Budget submitted too Congress in three years, as called out for by the Constitution. B) has by-passed the Congress entirely by use of executive order to hire people to work secretly for him, with out Congresses vetting of their need or loyalty, creating 80 administrative 'czars' to administrate key government posts separate from those legally hired. in several cases referring to the Constitution and Congress as irrelevant and unnecessary.
Now you know why we are hear, we are here to save America's Freedoms and Rights.
Where are you?
And why do you not take up the call for open and transparent Government of the people, for the people.
Or have you drank the Kool-aide also. :clapping:
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my understanding most of the original followers where middle class business owners that believe in small government.
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