Hi Points

PulsatingBeaver · Post by **PulsatingBeaver** » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:01:02

Hey guys!

I was looking at some different pistols and came across and all american made gun for under $200. I have read and checked that they also come with a lifetime warrenty, no questions! I want to know what you guys think about these guns. Are they built to last? Is it a good night stand gun? etc.

Daholt757 · Post by **Daholt757** » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:38:19

My advice is save up the extra $100 or so and get a Ruger P95. You'll get a HUGE quality jump for what is still a very affordable price

RocKor · Post by **RocKor** » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:47:35

I wouldn't bet my life on a Hi-Point, and they have absoutely NO resale value if you wanted to get rid of them. I'd go with a Ruger P95 or S&W Sigma if you really, really have to get a gun on the cheap.

m4a1mustang · Post by **m4a1mustang** » Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:54:01

Agreed. I wouldn't take a Hi-Point if it was free.

I don't have any experience with the Ruger P95 mentioned above but for only ~$100 or so more than the HP you can get one of the S&W Sigmas. If I was on a tight budget and needed a handgun that's what I'd go with.

Daholt757 · Post by **Daholt757** » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:20:42

P95 was my first gun. That thing put out hundreds and hundreds of rounds without a single malfunction. Would trust it with my life any day. My buddy just got a sigma a few days ago, personally I like the way the P95 fits in my hand way better but thats just me

Diomed · Post by **Diomed** » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:47:27

They're not handgrenades, though I'd avoid the .40 and .45 versions (blowbacks in those calibers? No thanks). They're just very cheap, and consequently very popular with the ghetto crowd. They're probably not a good choice for a high volume shooter, either.

For not much more money you can get a much better gun. The Ruger mentioned, a police trade-in S&W revolver, a surplus Walther P38/P1, hell some of the import 1911s are around $400 and get solid reviews.

PulsatingBeaver · Post by **PulsatingBeaver** » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:25:25

ahahahha so i take it that no one likes them ahahah

Post by **Taggure** » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:34:07

I had one for about 4 months until I saved some money for a different pistol

Thr FTE on the HiPoint 9 that I had was really bad, and unless you wanted to try the polish the feed and try different mags with it you were in for a lot of FTE's.

I have since GIVEN it away, and am I glad to see the backside of it.

In it's defence I do have to say when it did shoot; it shot straight and true, but again that is when you were not clearing the FTE's

Take a look at the S&W Sigma 9 or 40 as you can pick them up for around $300 or so and are a very good gun for the price.

Vern

Jakeiscrazy · Post by **Jakeiscrazy** » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:58:49

I wouldn't mine a high point as a car/home defense gun. Check out this video(there are more like it).

gunderwood · Post by **gunderwood** » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:30:19

Jakeiscrazy wrote:I wouldn't mine a high point as a car/home defense gun. Check out this video(there are more like it).

The problem is with basic quality control. Build enough of something and no matter how good your QC is you're going to find a few lemons. That's why single experiences aren't indicative of a products actual reliability. HiPoint has the opposite problem. IMHO, their QC is so poor that most don't work right, or put another way: build enough of some POS and you're bound to find one that works no matter how poor your QC is.

Just my two cents...

gregj · Post by **gregj** » Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:10:57

I had the C9 for a while (sold it to fund another puchase). If you want a cheap gun that you dont care what happens to it, like a tool box gun, or tackle box, or on a tractor, etc, then go for it. After I fluffed and buffed the ramp on mine, it ran like a charm, and was pretty accurate. YEMV

PulsatingBeaver · Post by **PulsatingBeaver** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 01:03:03

Jakeiscrazy wrote:I wouldn't mine a high point as a car/home defense gun. Check out this video(there are more like it).

This changes everything

gunderwood · Post by **gunderwood** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:27:43

PulsatingBeaver wrote:
Jakeiscrazy wrote:I wouldn't mine a high point as a car/home defense gun. Check out this video(there are more like it).

This changes everything

Why?

Editing is a wonderful thing and allows for great deception. The problem with HiPoints is they have a high FTF/FTE rate; aka they jam a lot. Fixing a jam at the range or simply re-filming that part isn't a problem, when someone is attacking you with deadly force you really want a more reliable firearm IMHO. I have yet to see one that worked as well as guns costing just $100 more, not even the same league.

Jakeiscrazy · Post by **Jakeiscrazy** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:25:15

gunderwood wrote:
PulsatingBeaver wrote:
Jakeiscrazy wrote:I wouldn't mine a high point as a car/home defense gun. Check out this video(there are more like it).

This changes everything
Why?

Editing is a wonderful thing and allows for great deception. The problem with HiPoints is they have a high FTF/FTE rate; aka they jam a lot. Fixing a jam at the range or simply re-filming that part isn't a problem, when someone is attacking you with deadly force you really want a more reliable firearm IMHO. I have yet to see one that worked as well as guns costing just $100 more, not even the same league.

Na it isn't magic editing. I follow this guys channel a lot he's reliable. He did end up blowing up the gun, only after jamming a threaded rod down the barrel, clamping it in, and locking the slide with a hose clamp. He got the gun from a gun shop he works at. A guy came in with 2 high points with trigger locks and they couldn't get them off without cutting the trigger guard.

gunderwood · Post by **gunderwood** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:08:04

@Jake

A real test of the complaints people have against HiPoints would be to run several hundred/thousand rounds through them and record the reliability. Unless you get a freak gun, it won't be good IMHO.

gregj · Post by **gregj** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:14:41

OP: If you want to get info from people that actually own them, try here:

http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum/

I havent frequented there in some time, but when I did everyone was always very helpful.

Kreutz · Post by **Kreutz** » Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:00:17

If you live near Roanoke and have a hi-point that you cant stand looking at I'll take it off your hands.

PulsatingBeaver · Post by **PulsatingBeaver** » Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:33:41

gregj wrote:OP: If you want to get info from people that actually own them, try here:

http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum/

I havent frequented there in some time, but when I did everyone was always very helpful.

Thanks for the link had no idea about this thread

VAman · Post by **VAman** » Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:56:59

I've never owned one so take this with a grain of salt, but I have had friends that have owned one as well as talked to several people online that have owned them.

The strong majority of complaints I hear about them is from people that have never had one and doesn't want to admit that something cheap can work. Just about everyone I know that has one likes it just fine and the majority of them seem to work. The complaints I've heard about them is that they are heavy, bulky, and ugly. All of which I can agree with from what little experience I've had with them. While I hear of one having problems occasionally, most of the people that actually own them say they function great, and most of the complaints I hear about their reliability are from people that have never had one.

I also don't see them losing much value. Around here people can often sell them for fairly close to what they payed for them if they don't like them. This may vary though.

In all honesty, if I only had $150-200 I'd buy one. If I could spend more, I probably would and would get a Ruger at minimum if not going ahead and buying something like a Glock. It's one of those things that for $100 more you can step up to something better, but then at the same time for another $100 you can get something even better, and on and on and on so you really just have to decide at which point you have to stop, and when the features get to where you don't need them and would rather save the money.

scriz · Post by **scriz** » Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:55:55

If you want a cheap reliable firearm, I'd save up $400 and buy a Ruger SR9. The SR9 is no doubt one of the best firearms in my collection.

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