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Good day! I’m semi-new to the forum. I’ve been lurking mostly trying to buy a gun before introducing myself so I’m not “That Guy” with only a .22 Rifle with a long range scope. :doh:

Anyway, I’m 26, the names Isaac and I currently live in NoVA, “Hoodbridge” (Woobridge), Virginia, hence the need for an arsenal. Actually I plan on building my arsenal before the Zompocalypse (Zombie + Apocalypse). I’m fairly new to Virginia, I have actually been here for almost 3 years but after moving from New Mexico, I feel I still haven’t gotten used to words like “traffic” or “crowded” or “rush hour” or “crazy people”. I also have done my best to disable my turn signal and scratch my new car to fit in with everyone else or again why I am searching for a new gun. :packin: *Kidding*

Alright in all seriousness I am hoping to brush up my knowledge on guns, go to a few gun shows including the one this weekend at the Dulles Expo Center, utilize the 2nd Amendment the best I can and build my collection of arms!

Also looking to take the Concealed Carry class if someone recommends a place or person to take the class with.

I’m always looking for people to hang out with and always bored on the weekend, the closest I get to firing a weapon or getting outside to do something is my PS3 or Xbox 360 and online Call of Duty or Modern Warfare. :pistol:
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Oldtimer wrote::welcome: to the forum :wave:

Hey Oldtimer! :friends: I'm guessing by your name and number of posts that you are wise and knowledgeable with weapons. I'm going to a gun show this weekend and wondering if you can recommend some pistols for a first time owner to keep an eye out for, or may want to pick up and man handle? :sos:

These are my current choices:
1. SIG 226 (Maybe the 229 (Longer Barrel)) .40cal Elite (I think I will skip 9mm and go with a .40cal)
- I actually picked up the SIG 226 and 229, both felt great I'm not sure of the MAJOR differences between the elite and other models but Virginia Arms Co. only had the Elites. Seemed like a solid gun/s.

2. Glock 17
- They seem plain but I hear these are VERY popular both in law enforcement and people. I don't know the differences between the Glocks other than size. I will probably do research but I heard the 17 is the most popular?

3. Beretta 92
- Looks good and has a great rep, I held one and it felt alright. I think I like it more than others I have held...that's all.

4. 1911
- Honestly I have seen them but never held one. I don't know what's great about them other than people say they're great...which I guess I can't argue with.

What was your first pistol? I'm sure you can recall your first pistol...well MAYBE you can recall depending on how OLD you mean by "Oldtimer". :wheelchair:
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Welcome to VGOF, Fallout :welcome: :wave:
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:welcome:

What do you want the pistol for? CC? Home defense? Target shooting? Etc. That's what people need to know in order to help you.
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gunderwood wrote::welcome:

What do you want the pistol for? CC? Home defense? Target shooting? Etc. That's what people need to know in order to help you.

Gunderwood, I'm looking for all the above... I think. I can't tell what CC is for, again new to the forum and although I have used and been around guns most of my life I don't know a lot of the lingo or technical stuff.

My main purpose is for defense, but due to I hope to not use it in that case or situation my second and probably most used purpose would be for fun/target shooting.

I plan to take the concealed carry class to carry with me later but I'm not in a rush, so it doesn't HAVE to be small but then again I don't really want a Smith and Wesson 44 mag. :recoil:
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Fallout wrote:
gunderwood wrote::welcome:

What do you want the pistol for? CC? Home defense? Target shooting? Etc. That's what people need to know in order to help you.

Gunderwood, I'm looking for all the above... I think. I can't tell what CC is for, again new to the forum and although I have used and been around guns most of my life I don't know a lot of the lingo or technical stuff.

My main purpose is for defense, but due to I hope to not use it in that case or situation my second and probably most used purpose would be for fun/target shooting.

I plan to take the concealed carry class to carry with me later but I'm not in a rush, so it doesn't HAVE to be small but then again I don't really want a Smith and Wesson 44 mag. :recoil:
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Jakeiscrazy wrote:
Fallout wrote:
gunderwood wrote::welcome:

What do you want the pistol for? CC? Home defense? Target shooting? Etc. That's what people need to know in order to help you.

Gunderwood, I'm looking for all the above... I think. I can't tell what CC is for, again new to the forum and although I have used and been around guns most of my life I don't know a lot of the lingo or technical stuff.

My main purpose is for defense, but due to I hope to not use it in that case or situation my second and probably most used purpose would be for fun/target shooting.

I plan to take the concealed carry class to carry with me later but I'm not in a rush, so it doesn't HAVE to be small but then again I don't really want a Smith and Wesson 44 mag. :recoil:
:welcome:
CC is Concealed Carry, I recommend you check out this. Welcome to the board!

Awesome. I will claim stupidity on that one :bangin:

Abbreviations checked and bookmarked!


Thanks for all the welcomes guys and gals!
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Hey there! I'm new to the board too, did you end up picking anything up at the show?

What's your gamertag by the way?

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mephisto24 wrote:Hey there! I'm new to the board too, did you end up picking anything up at the show?

What's your gamertag by the way?

Welcome!
Sadly I did not get anything at the show. I went not even thinking about my driver’s license and not having the most current address due to a recent move but had three other forms with my current address on them but no dice. I ran to the DMV down the road from the Expo center but it was too late, they closed at noon and I was there at 12:25... I went back to the show and asked around. Some shops or dealers were willing to take my additional 3 forms of current address and my drivers license but of course they were the ones who were more expensive or had guns that I didn't want.

I decided I love and plan to get:
- Mossberg 500 12 Ga. (I need thoughts on the 500 and 590 which is better?) I plan to customize A LOT.
- Springfield 1911 (I would love a Kimber but to expensive, Springfield seems like a good middle ground) They had a tactical edition which was awesome!
- SIG 226/229 I found a lot of these there, they seem pretty popular and I don't hear anything bad about them, great fit I think.

Sadly my dreams were crushed when I picked up a Desert Eagle .50cal for the first time and realized my hands are too small. I'm sure I could make it work but with the grip they had I couldn't get a good handle on it, I think firing it would make it come out of my hands.
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Sorry to not get back to you. As a general rule of thumb, you will get more and better answers if you start a new thread for your question. It's easy for people to welcome you and then ignore the thread in the new posts page...or just forget you had a question.
Fallout wrote:My main purpose is for defense, but due to I hope to not use it in that case or situation my second and probably most used purpose would be for fun/target shooting.

I plan to take the concealed carry class to carry with me later but I'm not in a rush, so it doesn't HAVE to be small but then again I don't really want a Smith and Wesson 44 mag. :recoil:
That's a fairly standard answer. There is plenty of overlap, but here are a couple of things you should consider.

1. Cost. The firearm is just the start for CC. You need holster(s), a CC belt is a good idea as they are more robust and designed to carry the weight, and lots of ammo. With ammo prices on the rise (thanks inflation) its something to consider. Even plain old 9mm is $200-$250/1k and things like .45 are $300-$350/1k. Figure an average range session is 100-200 rounds and you want to build proficiency. IMHO, if you aren't going at least once a month you can't do that, especially if you are new. If you go twice a month and shoot an average of 300 rounds between both trips, that's 3,600 rounds/year which in 9mm would cost you at least $750 and .45 would cost $1100 for decent stuff. It adds up very quickly.

2. Recoil. You will have to train yourself to not flinch; its a natural reaction. A 9mm is much easier to learn on than a .45 IMHO. Remember you have to hit your threat to stop it and being able to handle the recoil during rapid fire is important. Most new shooters are better served with a moderate recoiling gun (.38Special/9mm) than say a heavier one (.357Mag/.45/.40/etc.).

3. Size. Full size handguns feel nice, but they are harder to conceal. It certainly can be done and I have done a full size 1911, but it definitely is harder than say a compact or subcompact. Barrel tends to be less difficult than the grip, but YMMV.

4. Trigger. Generally there is double action only (DAO), single action only (SAO), and double action/single action (DA/SA). The "only" is often dropped, but its important to understand that's how it works. E.g. a 1911 is often said to be SA, but it only can work as a single action...if you attempt to fire it like a DA pistol it will not work. The double/single distinction is based on what work the (traditionally) hammer or striker has to do in order to function. If the trigger just drops the hammer/striker than it is a single action. If the trigger must cock the hammer/striker before dropping it than it is a double action. Its possible to combine both into one trigger type which is what DA/SA does.

SA semis should always have a safety and carrying cocked and locked is standard practice. E.g. 1911. DA usually don't have a safety, but there are exceptions. The trigger pull is long and heavy so accuracy is harder to achieve. However, their is something to be said for just pointing and shooting (no extra steps or controls). DA/SA is neat because you get the heavy DA trigger pull for the first shot and a lighter SA trigger pull for the second (the slide cocks the hammer after each round for you). However, it can take more practice/skill to accomplish as the trigger reset is different between the two...safeties vary widely in their existence and exact function.

5. Weight. If you aren't going to carry it, weight isn't an issue. However, carry a peice all day and it can get very heavy. Definite difference between a "plastic" gun and a steel gun. As I said, a good CC belts helps tremendously.


As for the exact handguns you mentioned.

1. SIG P226. A very good gun (although the internals are of lower quality than they have been in the past IMHO, but not a huge deal). The P229 is more popular for CC and even the VA State Police don't bother carrying the full size 226. DA/SA takes a bit more to learn and the relatively high bore axis makes some people perceive their recoil as very flippant. The DAO models are fairly popular as they are easier to master the trigger control.

2. Glock 17. Very popular with LE, but the G19 and G26 are generally preferred for CC for their size. Glock is a good gun and will work with no much fuss. The G17 can be concealed, but you have to be a big guy or it gets hard. I find that striker fired guns hang up on clothing much less than hammer based guns, but YMMV. All the plastic guns tend to be more snappy on recoil than their heavier metal counterparts.

3. Beretta 92. An interesting gun to look at, but not the most popular choice for CC. The SIG/Glocks are definitely preferred IMO and observation. I like a smoothly formed gun so it doesn't snag, but that also makes it boring to look at. The Beretta's a bit to curvy. It's been a while since I shot one because I don't own one; of the guns you've listed it's my least favorite. It's a decent gun, but I'm just not a big fan.

4. 1911. A great combat handgun, but one which generally takes much more practice to master IMO. The all steel construction feels great in the hand, but for CC you hopefully spend all of your time carrying it in the holster where that steel can be very uncomfortable without a good belt. You definitely feel the extra weight of a 1911 compared to a Glock (or similar). The low bore axis helps with recoil, but if you get it in .45 its still a good deal more than a 9mm. I find it easier to conceal several spare single stack mags than double stack, but then again I need too in order to match the ammo capacity of a double stack.


I usually carry a G32/33 (use to be a G19/26) or a full size 1911 in .45ACP. I'm much more proficient with the Glocks than I am with the 1911, but either is fine. I generally recommend a 9mm for a first handgun as the money saved in ammo will virtually buy you your next firearm (if you practice a lot) or just allow for more practice. The gun is only one part of a good CC setup. You're looking at good quality firearms which functionally will perform well. You can more or less choose any of them and they will work as advertised. However, some features lend themselves to CC better.

IMHO, the best all around first CC handgun is the G19 or the G26 if you want smaller. It's reliable; it's cheaper than the others your looking at; it's ugly, but flat and smooth so nothing snags; it's trigger isn't the best (by far), but its reasonable good; it's not very heavy so you'll actually carry it, and 9mm is a great all around round with the right ammo. There are others that are very similar and also very good such as the Springfield XDs, Ruger Ps, S&W M&Ps, etc. Each will prefer his own.
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Holy INFORMATION Batman! I appreciate the time and information you put in for me.

I probably could have started a new thread, honestly I'm fairly new to forums in general, I'm on a car forum but don't post all that often and just look for a little info. I'm sure everyon on this forum has already answered most of my questions and gave reviews on the pistols I have on my list.

Honestly I'm not picky when it comes to guns. I have been around various brands, models, calibers growing up although at the time I didn't care what they looked like or how they felt, I just cared that I didn't kill myself or others and if I hit the target :doh:

I can probably adjust to any gun when it comes to getting a gun for fun or just shooting on the weekend. Of course it will probably matter when I decide on one for concealed carry, I don't want one that is to big or small or feels strange or snags and I will defiantly look into the ones you provided.

I again appreciate everything that you provided, I didn't know anything about triggers, recoil, and overall feel for the guns. Again if it works and gets the job done, I consider it a good gun!...That might be my motto! :hysterical:

I have a crappy range near by where I can test out a few models, I will probably head over there this weekend for a hour or two. I already know I'm getting a Mossberg 500 or 590 shotgun (although again still need to look into the MAJOR differences between the two), I am told not to go with Mossberg and go with Remington 870. I think price is the major difference between the brands.

Honestly I plan to get multiple pistols, rifles and shotguns. Looking at pricing and what people sale them for they seem to keep their value alright depending on model, condition and amount of rounds put through them. I'm sure I'll buy guns I hate and guns that I will keep forever.


One last time, THANK YOU. I'm actually going to print off your information to help me in the future. I also have all the weapons you suggested on a list to hopefully try this weekend, or at least a few of them. I still need to work out my license issue before I get something.
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If you are new to pistols, and particularly if you plan to acquire several of them, do not overlook a .22LR semiauto pistol as a first gun. Several companies make good ones, and they can be had in the same frame as larger calibers. Ruger has made the Mark I/MarkII/MarkIII for years and they are great little pistols. S&W makes a 22A-1 that is a nice little autoloader. Easy recoil, cheap ammo, and planty of fun while you acquire some experience in gunhandling. Most folks start that way when they start as youngsters. Might be a good idea for some adults. Then again, maybe it will spoil you for a larger caliber. But if you're gonna buy several, I'd buy a good .22LR somewhere along the line.
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dorminWS wrote:If you are new to pistols, and particularly if you plan to acquire several of them, do not overlook a .22LR semiauto pistol as a first gun. Several companies make good ones, and they can be had in the same frame as larger calibers. Ruger has made the Mark I/MarkII/MarkIII for years and they are great little pistols. S&W makes a 22A-1 that is a nice little autoloader. Easy recoil, cheap ammo, and planty of fun while you acquire some experience in gunhandling. Most folks start that way when they start as youngsters. Might be a good idea for some adults. Then again, maybe it will spoil you for a larger caliber. But if you're gonna buy several, I'd buy a good .22LR somewhere along the line.
+1

A good .22lr is hard to beat. I'm partial to the Ruger Mk series for the money.

Fallout wrote:I have a crappy range near by where I can test out a few models, I will probably head over there this weekend for a hour or two. I already know I'm getting a Mossberg 500 or 590 shotgun (although again still need to look into the MAJOR differences between the two), I am told not to go with Mossberg and go with Remington 870. I think price is the major difference between the brands.
If you want to put a longer barrel (for fowl or turkey hunting or clays), get the 500. If you want a HD shotgun only, get the 590. The Mossberg and the Remington are more or less priced the same for a given set of features. The safety and pump release are in different places and I prefer the Mossberg setup. Either one is great though. IMHO, anyone who tells you the 590 is much better than an equivalently priced 870 or vice versa isn't telling the truth and just wants you to buy their preference. Both are good guns and the major functional difference is the pump release and safety...it's personal preference.
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