Lawful use of Gun

[skeeterss0]

I'd like to start posting justifiable examples in the news of gun owners doing the right thing. Feel free to post your own finds. Here is the most recent I found.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/30/flo ... index.html

[Moccasin]

And of course the Brady Bunch has to find something to complain about.

"The shoot-first law is not needed," said Brian Malte of the Brady Campaign. "This person, regardless of the situation, may have done the right thing, but he cannot be prosecuted for doing something wrong if he hit an innocent bystander," he said.

Ok, it's before daybreak, in my orange grove, and my car is being stolen out of my barn. Exactly what kind of "innocent bystander" would be around in that situation?

[Dragonfly]

Mr. Moo Moo

[skeeterss0]

Not sure how many have heard about this case.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-now-j ... 3403.story

I like the quote from the Hampton commonwealth attorneys office chief deputy, " the man on the houseboat acted "in defense of habitation"".

[VBshooter]

JUst found this thread from the attempted robbery in Norfolk where 2 BG'S have bit the dust
http://virginiashootingsportsassociation.blogspot.com/

[moss20]

Shooting in Butte , Montana

Shotgun preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders :



Butte, Montana November 5, 2007

Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana , and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........an 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two A-hole, illegal immigrants.......and she wins, she is still alive.

Now that is Gun Control !





Thought for the day:





Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

[VBshooter]

Another BG has met his maker the hard way,,

By Alicia P.Q. Wittmeyer
The Virginian-Pilot
© June 22, 2009
SUFFOLK

Police are questioning a store owner who they say shot and killed a man he believed was burglarizing his store in Whaleyville.

Police received a call just after 4 a.m. Sunday about a burglary in progress at J-N-L Market, located at 6550 Whaleyville Boulevard, said Suffolk spokeswoman Debbie George.

The owner was also alerted to the burglary, George said, and went to his store with a firearm. When he arrived, he saw someone inside his business and fired at him through a store window, she said.

When police arrived, they found the owner of the business outside and the burglary suspect lying on the floor, dead.

Police interviewed the store owner at the police department, but he has not been charged and has since left the police station, George said. The shooting remains under investigation.

“A case like this is very complex and they’ll review all of the facts and circumstances” before making a decision about whether to charge the owner, George said. She said she did not know whether the man who was in the store was carrying a weapon.

Police are not releasing the owner's identity because he has not been charged with anything, she said. Police identified the man killed in the shooting as Ernest Roop, 38, of the 5500 block of Weatherby Way in Suffolk.

[allingeneral]

Unfortunately, lawful use isn't always cut-and-dried and this is another case of that. Here's a follow-up report which indicates that the robber wasn;t armed...

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/06/police- ... had-no-gun

[zephyp]

Unfortunately, lawful use isn't always cut-and-dried and this is another case of that. Here's a follow-up report which indicates that the robber wasn;t armed...

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/06/police- ... had-no-gun

What's bad about this story is the press telling the BG's life story like he was some kind of really great person.

[VBshooter]

Man that read like a dime store novel... Must be because it's an election year... I always felt the Pilot was a bit biased in its reporting much like the Roanoke Times,,, THey will play this as long as it gets attention, But as one person put it ,,You enter someones property illegaly you just might get killed,,

[OakRidgeStars]

The VA Pilot is turning into just another left-leaning liberal newspaper as is clearly shown in this article. However, the store owner has no legal justification to use deadly force to protect his property alone. He's going to have a tough time convincing a jury that he feared for his life from outside the store. Especially if the BG was only armed with a crowbar.

I know I'm in the minority on this issue, but these incidents do little to protect our right to defend ourselves with a firearm. In fact, it could one day lead to us all losing that right. I could be wrong... sometimes I am.... but I can't buy into a "kill 'em all" mentality when the end result could effect my rights and freedoms.

[Moccasin]

I think this says quite a bit-

Debbie George, the police spokeswoman, said Durden told police that Roop "pointed something at him,"

I think in this situation you have 2 choices. Be damn sure about what "something" is before firing or tell the police that "it looked like a gun" after firing. I agree with Jay that he had no reason to fire because the store had been broken into, for the shooting to be justified he should have felt that his life was being threatened.

And let's not forget the alcohol, should have never had a gun in his hands.

[skeeterss0]

I've gotta agree with Jay also...people gotta understand the law...just cause you have a gun and someone is doing something wrong doesn't give you the right to shoot them.

Being a lawfully armed citizen carrys a heavy responsibility. I was browsing the web last night and ran across this:

http://michael-lucas.org/selectgun.aspx

I was impressed by the "Conceptual Basis" paragraph

You must also have a clear understanding of the legal issues surrounding the use of deadly force -- when you can and when you can't -- and the methods and techniques of using a gun in a self defense situation.

[CCFan]

I know I'm in the minority on this issue, but these incidents do little to protect our right to defend ourselves with a firearm.

+1

I don't think you're in the minority on this....

[NickFac]

I know I'm in the minority on this issue, but these incidents do little to protect our right to defend ourselves with a firearm. In fact, it could one day lead to us all losing that right. I could be wrong... sometimes I am.... but I can't buy into a "kill 'em all" mentality when the end result could effect my rights and freedoms.

I agree with you. You must know the law and abide to it at all times.

I do however disagree with the laws in place about this matter. You can take someones life only when you're life is threatened. My arguement would be that things I have worked my whole life to acumulate are more important to me than some thugs life who is trying to take these things.

[allingeneral]

I know I'm in the minority on this issue, but these incidents do little to protect our right to defend ourselves with a firearm.

+1

I don't think you're in the minority on this....

+1 I agree.

[OakRidgeStars]

An update on the Whaleyville store owner who shot and killed a burglar last month.

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/07/no-char ... ille-store

[allingeneral]

Thanks for the update OakRidge. Glad to hear that the Suffolk C.A. has some common sense. I think there are many C.A.'s who would have pursued a case against the store owner.

[zephyp]

He did indeed get off lucky. This is truly a terrible situation. The law says we must restrain ourselves unless they threaten us. Meanwhile they are calmly cleaning out the cash register as they whistle knowing you legally cant do squat except dial 911.

[VBshooter]

This is why we need that Castle Docrtine with the no retreat rule in this state,, It would shift the burden of proof to the BG and away from the GG,, I am not condoning murder here but I for one don;t want to have to cower in a freaking corner and second guess some BG'S intent while they ransack my home or try to steal my car with me in it,, I've said this before too, that if some individual is intent on entering a private citizens home , place of business,or automobile by other than legal means they should not expect, nor should they be, protected by laws that would put the victim in the position of having to compromise between life or death based on the BG's activity or action toward them while commiting the crime