AR 15 Purchase

[VBshooter]

Well I almost got the AR15 I wanted,,That is until the ugly head of beauracracy reared its ugly head,,, I went to pick it up and at the time was told I needed 3 forms of ID,, THis was due to the short barrel (16") and the 30 round magazine,,,I did not know this,,, So a few days later I return with the 3 types of ID and all seems well,, 30 minutes later the VASP call and I have been denied due to some outstanding thing in another state,,, SO after 10 phone calls it comes out I still have to do everything by mail to get it straightened out,,,THis pending thing happened over 25 years ago and was supposedly settled,,, I have bought guns and worked at Security clearance jobs with no trouble,,, The nice lady at the State Police said it could be a case of ID theft,,, That;s all I need,,,So all in all it has not been the pleasant experience I had hoped it would be,,,,Looks like the AR15 money may have to go to a lawyer to untangle this mess,

[Moccasin]

Enlighten us on this 3 forms of ID crap. I bought an AR with a 16 inch barrel and 30 round mags just a few months ago, the standard 2 forms of ID were all I needed. Sounds to me like somebody is pumping you full of crap.

[VBshooter]

This is what the Code of Virginia says regarding assault weapons and this is where the store got their information.... When I was there the first time the guy read this off pretty much chapter and verse from the forms,, Either way I now have to get a mess fixed that was taken care of years ago and somehow slipped through the cracks

Virginia Code § 18.2-308.2:2.
In addition, no dealer shall sell, rent, trade or transfer from his inventory any assault firearm to any person who is not a citizen of the United States or who is not a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence. To establish citizenship or lawful admission for a permanent residence for purposes of purchasing an assault firearm, a dealer shall require a prospective purchaser to present a certified birth certificate or a certificate of birth abroad issued by the United States State Department, a certificate of citizenship or a certificate of naturalization issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, an unexpired U.S. passport, a United States citizen identification card, a current voter registration card, a current selective service registration card, or an immigrant visa or other documentation of status as a person lawfully admitted for permanent residence issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.

[punchie]

So, if you bought it with a twenty (20) round mag it would no longer be an evil "Assault Firearm" and the normal rules would apply? According to the Statue a glock 17 if sold with the factory 32 round mag would also be an "Assault Firearm"! I also was shocked, when reading the code as to what the Commonwealth considers C&R weapons. According to 18.2.308.2.2

Curios or relics" means firearms that are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

1. Firearms that were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, which use rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and that is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade, but not including replicas thereof;

2. Firearms that are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and

3. Any other firearms that derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collectors' items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.

50 years plus the ammo canNOT be manufactured in the US. Sounds rather stringent for C&R.

[Moccasin]

Section G provides this definition: "Assault firearm" means any semi-automatic center-fire rifle or pistol which expels single or multiple projectiles by action of an explosion of a combustible material and is equipped at the time of the offense with a magazine which will hold more than 20 rounds of ammunition or designed by the manufacturer to accommodate a silencer or equipped with a folding stock.

I read it the same way punchie does, 20 round mag or no mag and your OK as long as it won't accommodate a silencer or doesn't have a folding stock when purchased. If it meets one of those 3 requirements then you have to prove you meet the citizenship or lawfull admission requirements, technically you can't purchase a firearm from an FFL without being a citizen or lawfully admitted alien. That doesn't require 3 pieces of ID, it requires a certain type of ID- something that meets the requirements you listed above. A DL and Voter Registration card meets all requirements to purchase an "assault firearm" in VA.

[VBshooter]

Correct , the guy even told me that if it came with a different mag there would be no problem,,,He even talked to his boss about selling it without the mag and his answer was no way,, So I will just wait till I get my problem cleared up and then buy one at another store,.

[CCFan]

Interesting... I bought mine with a 20 round magazine and I still had to show documentation that I was a citizen - of course, i wasn't going to walk out the door without it, so I took four different forms just in case there was a problem... Guess some dealers are more up to speed on all that than others...

What cracks me up is that you could buy one with a 20 round magazine and it wouldn't be an assault weapon (according to our understanding of the definition) and you could purchase a few 30 round magazines to go with it and that's all fine and dandy.

[zephyp]

I was told the same thing before I got mine. Bring this that, that, that, and that. When I picked it up I had everything in hand including birth certificate. I only had to show DL and another proof of address. I walked out with rifle, several 30 round mags, and a couple hundred rounds of WWB. I think it depends on who you deal with at the counter. At the same shop I also recently bought a pistol and loading dies and the clerk insisted they be processed and paid for separately.