Trigger adjustments???

[speezack]

I wonder if there is anything that can be done about the ridiculous trigger pull on some of the newer semi autos on the market today.... I own two XD's... a .45 and a .40 sub compact, two Beretta's... a Cougar .40 and a PX4 Storm 9mm... and a Taurus PT145 and with the exception of the Cougar... the trigger pull is just downright ... for lack of a better word, ridiculous... this is of course, my opinion but it would seem that something could be done or let me refraise this... "is there anything that can be done about the hard double action pull in the Taurus or the XD's?" I had a trigger job done on the Storm and it breaks clean but I guess there is nothing that can be done about the slack in the trigger till the hammer falls... I sure would like to reduce the double action pull on the others. I also have a Ruger SP101 hammerless but I think I can fix that with a simple replacement of the mainspring... cause that one has a pretty hard pull also... I'm not trying to get it too low but less would be better.... I think.

Question here.... I thought when you 'shucked' a semi auto... thus placing a round in the chamber... it was then cocked and went to single action... it seems that the Taurus... if not the XD's also... when I chamber a round it seems to still be in double action mode... the trigger feels like it is raising the hammer... am i mistaken here... since there is no decocker on the Taurus or XD's and the hammer is of course enclosed... I really don't know for sure... So I will show my ingorance and ask these stupid questions... cause I just don't know....

Am I out of luck or is there a solution or should I just be happy with what I have.... now don't jump me for owning these guns... instead of whatever you may think is better, I know these are good quality weapons, just trying to 'spruce' em up a bit.

[grumpyMSG]

When it comes to semi-auto pistols there are generally 3 types of action Single Action Only (SAO), Double Action/ Single Action (DA/SA) and Double Action Only (DAO). An example of SAO would be a 1911 or Browning Hi-Power, an example of DA/SA would be a pistol with a decocker or decocker/safety, a normal Sig 226 would be the first and Beretta 92FS would an example of the latter. An example of DAO would be a Beretta 92G. The SAO would usually be carried empty chamber, hammer down, safety off or loaded chamber, safety on an would a have a moderate pull. A DA/SA would have 2 trigger pulls one a moderate (SA) and another about twice as heavy (DA). The DAO would have a heavier pull than the SA on a DA/SA pistol but is usually lighter than the DA pull on a similar SA/DA pistol. So you might have more than one type of pistol in your collection. I know somebody makes a kit to upgrade the triggers on the XDs I don't know about the availability of upgrades for the Berettas or the Taurus.

[Palladin]

The XD's are striker fired, they have no hammer to decock. The energy to dent the primer is developed with a spring, not hammer mass. (I think I'm right on that...) XDm's are supposed to have better triggers than XD's. I don't know if they can be improved upon. Have you nosed around on the XD forum?

[speezack]

Very helpful info... now here is another question.

Given my question and the pistols described, would some of you more knowledgeable members recommend local gunsmiths that may be able to address my issues... trigger job in particular. I have used one or two over the years but always looking for other input. I might be honest here... I only want to improve the action a bit... not interested in spending too much here, after all, these guns are medium priced working models and don't require a lot of money spent... Thanks for the info, I learn daily in reading this site.

Have you nosed around on the XD forum?

Good advice... I'll check.

[speezack]

just a quick thanks for the "check the XD forum"... XD has a company forum that I just joined and immediately found a trigger thread that has answered all my questions... wow, google really works... this internet thing is great, just verify the info... but the overall sources seem good and I look forward to looking into their info. It appears that most anything can be researched down to the fine details... just gotta get the skinny form folks like you.... thanks.

[Drumstix61]

For your Berettas,
swap out your Mainspring for a "D" version, and a Trigger Job is easy as piss too.
(you just want to lightly polish the moving parts that contact each other)

Pics and description on http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/
(register and use the search function)

A trick we do is cut 4 coils from the stock Hammerspring.
Check the Beretta Forum dot net for answers.

You can also make both into "G" model De-cocker only.(DS first pull,SA after,just no manual safety)

If you're still leery of the Trigger Job,you can send them to Dave Olhasso;
http://www.olhasso.com/PS/

[speezack]

Great advice Drumstick... oh... Drumstix61 (skuz me)... and I had one other post related to this thread... here goes...
I know I started off talking about Beretta and XD's and this is about Taurus but I think it relates to the actions and triggers...
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Well, here is a good example of “checking your sources and your information”… and frankly, I may still not have it perfectly correct… so please jump in here and help me out if it ain’t right.

I purchased a Taurus PT145 ‘CA’ from a local (un-named) gun shop in the Richmond area about 2 weeks ago. I knew that there were more than one version or generation of this weapon but was not really sure what the actual differences were, so… before buying, I ask the dealer several questions. Specifically what are the differences between the ‘newest’ version of this .45 cal. Compact and the earlier versions. His immediate response was… “you mean other than having the word “PRO” on the side of the slide?” I said “sure?” and he said other than that and the fact that it is a newer run of the components… there is no intrinsic difference. He did say there were significant upgrades in quality control between the first and the second but not much more between the second and the third generation. He did say that the other versions of this model… ie: 24/7 and/or 745 had some differences but I didn’t go into those since I hadn’t considered them as an option.

Well, I bought the gun which ‘did not’ have “PRO” on the slide but it did have “CA” which I understand is simply California compliant which really means not much since this gun has now been banned (although no-one knows why cause its 10 round magazine is legal in CA… I have been told by my friends in CA??) and of course I am in Virginia anyway, so… moot point.

Anyway, I now find that there is a bit more involved between the last two version… my version is a DAO and the newer one appears to be DA/SA… I think the Taurus forum gave me the skinny on this and I guess it is true... only have their word on it...

I called 3 other gun shops and all 3 told me the same thing... "no basic difference between the last two newest versions of the PT145". The detailed info came from the Taurus website (or I should say the Forum site) and I think the fellow that gave me the info maybe works for Taurus... not sure on that, he seemed to know his stuff.

Anyway, I have since decided to just be happy with the gun and maybe get a spring kit to lower the trigger pull on the DAO gun… it does shoot and feed well and I think if I can reduce the pull a bit and smooth it out, I will be fine with it…

I also cross posted this on two sites… the Virginia Gun Owners site as well as the Taurus site. I figured it was related. Any corrections to the above facts are greatly appreciated cause that is all I was seeking anyway. Thanks….

[zephyp]

@Geo - mod a Beretta? Blasphemy....they good enough right outta the box...

[speezack]

@Geo - mod a Beretta? Blasphemy....they good enough right outta the box...

I would have to agree on that.... I purchased/traded for a NIB Beretta PX4 Storm, subcompact in .40... it is a gem,,, IMHO... I field stripped it, cleaned it and the slide action, trigger and all else seems really nice.

I also, as mentioned in another post and another forum site.... traded off my mistake of a 1st generation PT145 and got a PT145 PRO... 3rd generation which is a DA/SA pistol... although I am very happy with it initially... it seemed to have been dipped in cosmoline and had to be really cleaned and then the trigger is pretty rough... gonna need some work I do believe, but even so is a nice gun but not on the order as the Beretta...

PS, thanks for the info PM... heading for my IDPA thing today.... sure I'll look like the old fat man that I am... but that is fine, I'll have some fun, gonna try out my new PX4 Storm 9mm regular (not the compact)... hopefully I can hit the paper.

[zephyp]

No prob Bill. Hitting the paper is sometimes a function of how large it is...

[SgtBill]

DK, are you still shooting at those 48 X 48 inch sheet's of paper at 7 yard's.
LOL
Bill

[zephyp]

DK, are you still shooting at those 48 X 48 inch sheet's of paper at 7 yard's.
LOL
Bill

Yep...hit em every time too...