Private businesses with "no carry" signs

[totes6]

I'm worried about all those mouthbreathing illiterates out there who don't have a CHP that do have a gun. You don't imagine that everyone who packs a gun has his CCW permit all buttoned down and legal, do you?

What we are trying to point out is that if he/she is already illegally carrying a firearm which is considered FELONIES in both VA law and Federal law, most likely they are not going to care about some measly little MISDEMEANOR trespassing charge.

While you will not tell us the nature of your business it doesn't really matter. As most of my friends who are also RKBA supporters are of the same mind that if we see your sign we will go somewhere else to do business. That is because WE RESPECT your right to decide what is allowed on your private property. The members on the board here are simply trying to point out that the people you should be fearing are most likely not going to even going to see the sign prohibiting firearms on your premises.

[gunderwood]

Gunderwood wrote" You are worried and put up a sign to "protect" yourself against an extremely rare event. You are orders of magnitude more likely to face a violent criminal than a CHP holder gone wild. You are far more likely to need their assistance against a criminal than to be harmed by a CHP holder turned criminal."

Hey, bud- - -

Let me say it again: You're preaching to the choir - - I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!!! I'm not worried about a CHP holder doing that (although small the possibility exists). I'm worried about all those mouthbreathing illiterates out there who don't have a CHP that do have a gun. You don't imagine that everyone who packs a gun has his CCW permit all buttoned down and legal, do you?

This makes no sense. If you agreed with me, you would take the sign down. The whole time myself and nearly everyone in this thread has pointed out that someone carrying a concealed gun without a CHP isn't going to care about your sign. They are already breaking the law and they are not going to go back to their car to put away an illegal gun just because your sign says so. I don't know how much simpler I can make it.

CHP = not likely to commit a crime at your place and is the only group you are actually disarming...you shouldn't worry and claim you're not.
"Mouthbreathing illiterates" w/o CHP = already committing a felony and not likely to disarm because of a sign.

In either case your sign is useless in accomplishing anything. Best case is you can add a trespassing charge after they commit another crime with said illegal gun. Worst case you need their (CHP) help and they are unarmed because of your sign. OC not withstanding.

[Yarddawg]

Hey, bud- - -

Let me say it again: You're preaching to the choir - - I AGREE WITH YOU 100%!!!! I'm not worried about a CHP holder doing that (although small the possibility exists). I'm worried about all those mouthbreathing illiterates out there who don't have a CHP that do have a gun. You don't imagine that everyone who packs a gun has his CCW permit all buttoned down and legal, do you?

If they are illiterate, or carrying concealed without a permit, what good is the sign?

[newdovo]

As for the allegation that I think I'm better than everybody else, well, that just ain't so.

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...I'm worried about all those mouthbreathing illiterates out there who don't have a CHP that do have a gun.

I do have fellow humans, however who are not quite as smart as those of us who are average, and I ain't gonna apologize for being aware of it.

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Does not compute.

[zephyp]

If they are illiterate, or carrying concealed without a permit, what good is the sign?

And a mouthbreather to boot, yeah...what good is a sign unless you draw crude pichers with crayon. Then all you have to do is closely watch anyone who stares at it with their mouth open...

[gunderwood]

If they are illiterate, or carrying concealed without a permit, what good is the sign?

And a mouthbreather to boot, yeah...what good is a sign unless you draw crude pichers with crayon. Then all you have to do is closely watch anyone who stares at it with their mouth open...

You would need a second sign right after the first which says that if it took you more than 3 seconds to comprehend the first sign you aren't allowed there either...wait, illiterate eh? Not sure how to put that one in crayon.

[speezack]

Well, I guess it's already been said but... simply stated, "Signs only work for the law abiding and then only marginally..." ie: speed limits...

[gfost1]

Howdy, Y'all,

In defense of dorminWS, not all businesses cater to the Wal-Mart crowd. There are exceptions to every rule, and his "logic" may very well apply to specific subsets of God's creation.

Regards,

George

[wally626]

The only time a no-gun sign makes any sense is if you are willing to back up the sign with an armed guard or two and a metal detector.

I think this should also be the standard for all "sensitive" places. If the owner/manager is concerned enough to put in the security required to keep guns and knives out and keep the unarmed safe, fine.

I work at a place with armed guards and lots of security, but they do not search everyone every time they enter. In fact, at another location in my organization, a trusted employee did in fact carry a gun onto the property and kill some co-workers. It was against the law for him to have a gun on his person on the property, it was against the law for him to conceal the gun, he had to pass security checkpoints, have an extensive background check to work there. There is a great big sign saying no weapons. The sign meant nothing. This is a rare occurrence as persons with clean criminal histories, like CPP holders, commit very few crimes. But the sign still means nothing.

There is a small possibility of gun accidents happening even with law abiding citizens but in that case the better signage would be that weapons shall remain holstered while in the building, similar to what many gun shops require.

[Yarddawg]

Howdy, Y'all,

In defense of dorminWS, not all businesses cater to the Wal-Mart crowd. There are exceptions to every rule, and his "logic" may very well apply to specific subsets of God's creation.

Regards,

George

Would you care to elaborate?

[dmharvey]

Whenever I see one of these stupid signs I simply do a 180 and spend my money elsewhere, too easy. Thanks for keeping a list on this site, it saves me a lot of time...

[gunderwood]

The only time a no-gun sign makes any sense is if you are willing to back up the sign with an armed guard or two and a metal detector.

I think this should also be the standard for all "sensitive" places. If the owner/manager is concerned enough to put in the security required to keep guns and knives out and keep the unarmed safe, fine.

I work at a place with armed guards and lots of security, but they do not search everyone every time they enter. In fact, at another location in my organization, a trusted employee did in fact carry a gun onto the property and kill some co-workers. It was against the law for him to have a gun on his person on the property, it was against the law for him to conceal the gun, he had to pass security checkpoints, have an extensive background check to work there. There is a great big sign saying no weapons. The sign meant nothing. This is a rare occurrence as persons with clean criminal histories, like CPP holders, commit very few crimes. But the sign still means nothing.

There is a small possibility of gun accidents happening even with law abiding citizens but in that case the better signage would be that weapons shall remain holstered while in the building, similar to what many gun shops require.

This is a key component the gun control crowd leaves out. We do not have a lot of previously law-abiding people using legal guns to kill. It happens, but it is many deviations from the norm. Even the disgruntled employee or mentally ill shooter happen, but are not common. In fact, that is exactly why they make the news so much, the rarity of the event. A gang banger shootout in DC barely gets 10 seconds these days.

The laws and signs are usually in response to an event which is statistically very unlikely and usually involves people who could care less what the law or a sign says. Most of the gun violence is being committed by people who already are criminals. As noted in another thread, it is disturbing that whole sections of city's and areas are "no go" zones for LE or at least avoided if possible. It seems to me that the best place to use our militarized LE is where the crime is.

[Reverenddel]

"No Guns Allowed" signs keep criminals from carrying on your property, like "Do not crap on the grass" signs stops a dog from doing his thing.

Both are ill advised because neither care about a sign.

[ProShooter]

What we are trying to point out is that if he/she is already illegally carrying a firearm which is considered FELONIES in both VA law

FYI , an 18.2-308 violation is only a Misdemeanor.

[totes6]

What we are trying to point out is that if he/she is already illegally carrying a firearm which is considered FELONIES in both VA law

FYI , an 18.2-308 violation is only a Misdemeanor.

Thanks for the correction ProShooter. I should have been more clear that I was indicating a felon with a firearm is committing another felony.

[ProShooter]

What we are trying to point out is that if he/she is already illegally carrying a firearm which is considered FELONIES in both VA law

FYI , an 18.2-308 violation is only a Misdemeanor.

Thanks for the correction ProShooter. I should have been more clear that I was indicating a felon with a firearm is committing another felony.

Gotcha...

[Proudtobeararms]

DorminWS,

I appreciate the explanation regarding your firearm policy. Unfortunately, you need to really think about the logic guiding your belief. I can save you a bit of time and just let you know you are doing yourself and your patrons a grave disservice.

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[Reverenddel]

Another point?

One gun owner isn't going to keep it to him, or her, self. We're going to tell ALL gun owners.

Correct, you have the right to post that sign, and keep me from carrying a firearm onto your business. I have the right to disagree, and tell EVERYONE that I know that you're NOT gun friendly.

I let them choose from there...

I know I will not go to Olive Garden, Buffalo Wild Wings, Red Lobster, Church Chicken by RIR, Jared Jewelry, Value City Furniture, ANY of the malls, and movie theaters... EXCEPT FOR BOWTIE! Which simply "follows the laws of the state".

And to those who say "It doesn't do a thing"? One Word: HECHINGERS. They were a hardware company that put up a sign in the 80's saying "NO FIREARMS ALLOWED". Now, they started having financial issues before then, but ask yourself... did it HURT, or HELP that a plethora of people, including my ENTIRE BLUE COLLAR FAMILY OF ELECTRICIANS, PLUMBERS, AND GENERAL CONTRACTORS, stopped shopping there BECAUSE of the policy?

There's your answer. Those businesses listed above may be doing okay now, but if they have any DROP, or FINANCIAL issues... there is a group of people whom will not be sorry to see them go, that are NOT your competitors.

I'm just saying...

[Alex]

Good discussion here. Lots of good points.

figure I'll jump in:

You have your rights, and I respect them. Several generations of my family have died to protect those very rights.

But I also have my rights. And If I see a sign to that effect, I spend my hard-earned money elsewhere. I simply disagree with your logic, and I do hope you reconsider. Signs like the one you post at your business only have an effect on law-abiding citizens such as myself. I follow the rules, criminals don't. Because of this, in your business, criminals will have guns, while I will not. Doesn't make a lot of sense does it?

Enjoy your rights, many Americans have shed their blood to protect them.

-Alex