Maryland HB 9 - CCW Reciprocity

[fireman836]

While I like the thought of the reciprocity, why only those 3 states? Why not all of them in one shot? I know MD's history on gun control and not wanting peons to carry...but how are those 3 states any better/different than others?

Probably because they don't want their own citizens to go out, get non-resident Utah permits, and suddenly be allowed to carry in MD. They still want to impose their will on their own citizens, but for whatever reason they're just trying to make things a little easier on residents of their neighboring states, which all already have reciprocity with one another (with the exception of PA to DE and vice versa).

Where does it say that a Maryland resident couldn't get a VA or PA non-resident permit. As for VA, WVA, PA, and Del. they are bordering states to MD. I hope it flies as I have family that live in Maryland and would like toi visit. Not that I'm gonna spend much money there,

[fireman836]

Accidental double post Sorry

[mrjam2jab]

Where does it say that a Maryland resident couldn't get a VA or PA non-resident permit. As for VA, WVA, PA, and Del. they are bordering states to MD. I hope it flies as I have family that live in Maryland and would like toi visit. Not that I'm gonna spend much money there,

FWIW...a person applying for a non-res license from PA has to have one from their home state if the home state is a may/shall issue state.

[fireman836]

Where does it say that a Maryland resident couldn't get a VA or PA non-resident permit. As for VA, WVA, PA, and Del. they are bordering states to MD. I hope it flies as I have family that live in Maryland and would like toi visit. Not that I'm gonna spend much money there,

FWIW...a person applying for a non-res license from PA has to have one from their home state if the home state is a may/shall issue state.

Still allows VA non-resident VA has no such requirement.

[9MMDerringer]

Even though I honestly hope this bill does pass, I would caution people with out of state permits and residency traveling through MD, even if the bill is passed, that many of the police officers in that state are NOT friendly and could possibly charge you with other related offenses that are not covered under the NEW bill. For example, someone reports that you have a gun and they jam you up under the NON-concealed carry part because your gun was exposed when you stretched or something like that. Especially the PG County officers. I remember when I was a DC Cop, the PG County officers would always try to get us in trouble in the county when traveling through because many of them did not like us!

[cigarmanva]

would be nice, but never going to happen and even if it did, I wouldn't be daft enough to carry there

[Diomed]

I agree with what seems to be the most common sentiment - it would be nice but the odds of it happening are incredibly long. Even if it passed I'd be very hesitant to actually carry there, due to the ignorance/bigotry/tendencies of the cops in that state.

[zephyp]

would be nice, but never going to happen and even if it did, I wouldn't be daft enough to carry there

I dont through MD unless absolutely required...

[andimorony]

Thank you all for your opinions and feedback!

Just to clarify a few things, West Virginia has been added to the Bill as an amendment which is why it does not show up in the Bill text yet.

Also, the reason we're focusing on these four states at this point is that they're the closest to Maryland and would be the most likely to have citizens traveling to or through Maryland. We have to take it one step at a time in Maryland when it comes to gun laws and this Bill could serves as a stepping stone for future expansion of reciprocity in Maryland.

[VBshooter]

Good luck in your endeavors Any journey starts with the first step!

[JLR6031]

While reseaching for information on Maryland House Bill 9 I came across the VAOF site and joined today.

I am a lifelong Marylander operating a 24/7 business in both Maryland and Virginia which requires travel back and forth, at all hours, as a normal course of duty. Like many I want the choice to carry in our local multistate area and continue to invest support in efforts such as HB 52 last year and HB 9 this year.

Sadly Marylanders can reasonably receive CCW licenses in many states, but risk unreasonable exposure to felony charges, or defense thereof, in our home state.

I have never been involved with activity at the Maryland State House hearings and would appreciate input regarding an appropriate process to effectively participate.

[t33j]

While reseaching for information on Maryland House Bill 9 I came across the VAOF site and joined today.

I am a lifelong Marylander operating a 24/7 business in both Maryland and Virginia which requires travel back and forth, at all hours, as a normal course of duty. Like many I want the choice to carry in our local multistate area and continue to invest support in efforts such as HB 52 last year and HB 9 this year.

Sadly Marylanders can reasonably receive CCW licenses in many states, but risk unreasonable exposure to felony charges, or defense thereof, in our home state.

I have never been involved with activity at the Maryland State House hearings and would appreciate input regarding an appropriate process to effectively participate.

My suggestion is to pose your question to this man: http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.s ... CID=192705
He is the president of the Virginia Citizen's Defense League and will doubtlessly provide valuable advice.

[JLR6031]

t33j,
Thanks for the heads up!

[allingeneral]

You might also contact the guy who started this thread. He seems to be plugged into the effort.

Click the following link and select the "PM" icon to send him a message

http://vagunforum.net/andimorony-u1870.html

[gunderwood]

Even though I honestly hope this bill does pass, I would caution people with out of state permits and residency traveling through MD, even if the bill is passed, that many of the police officers in that state are NOT friendly and could possibly charge you with other related offenses that are not covered under the NEW bill. For example, someone reports that you have a gun and they jam you up under the NON-concealed carry part because your gun was exposed when you stretched or something like that. Especially the PG County officers. I remember when I was a DC Cop, the PG County officers would always try to get us in trouble in the county when traveling through because many of them did not like us!

Agreed. I would use it mostly when I travel through MD to PA.

[JLR6031]

allingeneral,
Thank you for the direction and the link, very helpful!

[dmharvey]

I agree. I have no reason to even stop in that state and their lack of CCW Reciprocity plays a huge role in that. I have no interest in visiting a state that doesn't allow me the opportunity to defend myself and/or my family...especially around a city like Baltimore.

I don't care if it does pass; Maryland has a loooooong way to go before I'll even consider doing anything on their soil other than passing through as quickly as possible without getting pulled over.

[andimorony]

Allingeneral, sorry I can't figure out what exactly your question was. If you could either clarify or call the office at 4`0-841-3555 and ask for me I'd be happy to help.

MrJam2Jab, We have amended in West Virginia. Delegate Smigiel intends that the contiguous states should have reciprocity. It is my opinion that the reason he chose just the contiguous ones was that it was more manageable than trying to shoot for the moon and have reciprocity with every state. Additionally, they are the state citizens most likely to have occasion to need it.

For your reading pleasure, here is the link to the bill...http://mlis.state.md.us/2011rs/bills/hb/hb0009f.pdf

I am sorry about the delay in my response but please know that if you call the office, I am happy to answer any questions you have.

You can follow our updates on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fans-of-H ... 6015973344

We are definitely looking for people who can come testify. Its pretty easy. We need folks to come explain why they believe this is necessary legislation for Maryland. Again, give me a call and I will do whatever I can to help you out or answer your questions.

Thanks for your good wishes!

Andi

[Chasbo00]

@andimorony,

There are over 200,000 VA CHP holders. As you can see from this thread, most are avoiding MD because of the restrictive gun laws. That's a lot of potential business lost that gets lots worse when one also considers DE, PA and WV permit holders probably feel the same way. If I were making a case for boarder-state reciprocity, I certainly would point this out.

[t33j]

@andimorony,

There are over 200,000 VA CHP holders. As you can see from this thread, most are avoiding MD because of the restrictive gun laws. That's a lot of potential business lost that gets lots worse when one also considers DE, PA and WV permit holders probably feel the same way. If I were making a case for boarder-state reciprocity, I certainly would point this out.

There are currently over 500,000