Utah, VA, ME, FL CCW Class - Springfield VA 1/19 -Free Guest

[learn2shoot]

I am a National Rifle Association and Utah Bureau of Criminal Identification certified instructor that offers a class that meets the mandated requirements for a permit to carry a concealed handgun in at least 30 states. This permit is referred to as the Utah non-resident permit; you are not required to be a resident of Utah to obtain the permit. DC residents welcome.

The class will be held on Saturday January 19th from 7PM - 11PM in Springfield VA. All you need to do is show up for the class (a gun is not required) and I take care of the rest.

The class fee includes the required instruction, materials, fingerprinting, photograph and postage. You will receive your permit within 60 days.

For more information visit contact Bill Clark at learn2shoot@discovershooting.net or via phone at 888-50-PERMIT (888-507-3764). I accept Visa, MasterCard, Discover, PayPal, cash, check or guns(at my choice).

The cost is $120.00 for the class and includes all costs (except the permit application fee). Pre-registration guarantees your seat but walk-ins/add-ons are welcome if space permits.

I have instituted a policy where if you are coming to the class you can bring your wife, girlfriend, husband, boyfriend or roommate for free. They can sit in the class and gain the knowledge- if at the end of the class they wish to get a permit - they would need to pay the course and application fee.

This permit is reciprocal with the following states -
Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Vermont, Washington, West Dakota*, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
(I do my best to ensure this is accurate, but I am not perfect)

*West Dakota not an actual state

[ProShooter]

How do you offer Florida certification if "a gun is not required" ?

[learn2shoot]

Florida does not require range time - they used to, but no longer specify it.

Here is what is written on the application. If I am misreading something please let me so I can correct my stuff.

Florida law requires you to submit proof of competency with a firearm in order to qualify for a concealed weapon license. A
copy of a CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION or similar document from any of the following courses or classes is acceptable:
 any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or
a similar agency in another state;
 any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
 any firearm safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency,
junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors
certified by the National Rifle Association, the Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the
Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
 any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special
deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
 any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified instructor or by an instructor certified by
the National Rifle Association.
The copy of the training certificate/document must be clear and legible. The certificate/document must include your name, the
instructor's name, the instructor's signature, and the instructor's certification number.
Other acceptable forms of training documentation include the following:
 documentary evidence of experience with a firearm obtained through participation in organized shooting competition;
 active-duty military personnel may submit copies of any of the following documents that confirm your experience with a
firearm gained during your service: military orders including call to active-duty letter; a statement of military service signed
by, or at the direction of, the adjutant, personnel officer, or commander of your unit or higher headquarters which identifies
you and provides your date of entry on your current active-duty period;
 former military personnel can submit a DD Form 214 reflecting honorable discharge from military service.
DO NOT SEND ORIGINAL TRAINING DOCUMENTS OR OTHER RELATED MATERIALS TO THE DIVISION.

[ProShooter]

Florida law specifies that live fire is required is the applicant is using a firearms training course as proof of competency.

[Chasbo00]

I am a National Rifle Association and Utah Bureau of Criminal Identification certified instructor that offers a class that meets the mandated requirements for a permit to carry a concealed handgun in at least 30 states. This permit is referred to as the Utah non-resident permit; you are not required to be a resident of Utah to obtain the permit. DC residents welcome.

This permit is reciprocal with the following states -
Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Vermont, Washington, West Dakota*, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
(I do my best to ensure this is accurate, but I am not perfect)

*West Dakota not an actual state

You state that you do your best to keep the above list of reciprocal states accurate. I and others have pointed out on more than one occasion in past months that you incorrectly list several states. We have even pointed out the specific states you listed that ARE NOT HONORED by this permit. Yet, you continue to advertise your course and lead prospective attendees to believe that the permit is honored in multiple states in which it is not. This is simply unacceptable.

Nevada and South Carolina do not recognize a Utah permit of any kind, either resident or non-resident, and they have not done so for a long time now.

New Hampshire does not honor any non-resident permits other than its own.

Michigan only honors resident permits.

There are professional instructors who frequent this board, know their stuff, and offer quality instruction including courses for the Utah non-resident permit . Based on your demonstrated lack of attention to detail and an apparent unwillingness to fix incorrect advertising, I do not believe you are among them.

Forum readers seeking a Utah permit should look elsewhere for the class.

[ProShooter]

This permit is reciprocal with the following states -
Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, New Hampshire, Nevada, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Vermont, Washington, West Dakota*, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
(I do my best to ensure this is accurate, but I am not perfect)

*West Dakota not an actual state

You state that you do your best to keep the above list of reciprocal states accurate. I and others have pointed out on more than one occasion in past months that you incorrectly list several states. We have even pointed out the specific states you listed that ARE NOT HONORED by this permit. Yet, you continue to advertise your course and lead prospective attendees to believe that the permit is honored in multiple states in which it is not. This is simply unacceptable.

I have to agree with Chasbo00 on this. I have watched your ads for a number of months here and have tried to stay out of them, since we are obviously competing in the same market.

There is no "doing your best" when it comes to the reciprocal states. Part of the outline that Utah provides to certified instructors includes a section on reciprocity. Either you are teaching it correctly, or you are not...there is no "tried my best". As for "West Dakota", I'm DYING to know where you got that one, and why you put in a disclamer about it not being a real state, if its not a real state?


Additionally, Florida most certainly requires live fire if an applicant is using your firearms training class to apply for a Florida permit. Any prior student who you have certified to Florida as being trained, who has not completed a live fire exercise with you, has obtained their Florida permit under "less than correct" circumstances. We'll just leave it at that.

It is absolutely imperative that you, as the instructor, "do your homework" when it comes to these things. It seems (after all of the previous postings by other members) as if you are still on Christmas vacation, and the homework isn't getting done.

[learn2shoot]

You are both correct - here is the corrected list

Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming.

[jmicheals1984]

I could be wrong but this says MI does recognize other states permits.
http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-12 ... --,00.html

[Chasbo00]

I could be wrong but this says MI does recognize other states permits.
http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-12 ... --,00.html

You have to read your link carefully. It says; "If you are a non-resident of Michigan with a valid concealed pistol permit from your home state, Michigan will recognize your permit." Key here is the phrase permit from your home state. Michigan honors all Resident Permit/Licenses. Non-Resident Permits/Licenses are not honored.

[jmicheals1984]

I could be wrong but this says MI does recognize other states permits.
http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-12 ... --,00.html

You have to read your link carefully. It says; "If you are a non-resident of Michigan with a valid concealed pistol permit from your home state, Michigan will recognize your permit." Key here is the phrase permit from your home state. Michigan honors all Resident Permit/Licenses. Non-Resident Permits/Licenses are not honored.

Oh, ok. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I'm going to contact the MSP though.

[jmicheals1984]

I sent the Michigan State Police an email and here is what they sent me back.


Mr. Micheals,

As it relates to allowing a non-resident to carry a concealed pistol in Michigan, Michigan law, specifically MCL 28.432a and MCL 750.231a, recognizes a concealed pistol license issued to an out-of-state resident provided the person is licensed by the state in which he or she resides. Therefore, Michigan will honor a Virginia Concealed Handgun Permit issued to a Virginia resident.

The following are links to the above referenced statutes for your review:
MCL 28.432a
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(myaohx55qo5qhozco4fnij45))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-28-432a.pdf

MCL 750.231a
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(myaohx55qo5qhozco4fnij45))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-750-231a.pdf