Myself and another VaGunOwnersForum asked to leave Walmart

[grumpyMSG]

I hate Walmart for all those reasons. They're anti-gun. Old man Sam Walton is surely turning over in his grave. They're killing mainstreet America. They're killing the very idea of customer service. They're putting domestic suppliers out of business with their relentless price-squeezing and than shipping those jobs to China (or some other 3rd-world cesspool) by buying from lowest-cost suppliers in that country.

Wally World is "Anti-Gun"? I hate to point this out to you that they sell firearms, ammunition, hunting and fishing licenses and the Walmart, this incident occured in, even has some reloading supplies. As for Sam Walton, I would guess right now he is probably thinking he didn't instill his values in his kids. I think he'd be embarassed by what his children were doing. Mainstreet America is doing this to itself, In many cases Walmart only offers a few various items by a cheap vendor, let's say Huffy bicycles. No small store is going to be able to match Walmarts price on Huffy bikes. Mainstreet needs to understand they need to let Walmart sell the $100 first bike. Mainstreet can step in by fixing that bike, replacing a tire or chain when needed, and later sell that bike rider his first $200-300 bike. Walmart helped give that kid his passion for riding he bike. Walmart's .22 rifle prices aren't going to be beaten very often, but if it leads to creating a generation of shooters, isn't that a good thing? As for the domestic supplier issue, the combination of American worker's ethics and work habits, combined with unions and the Federal Government's policies have done a good job of creating an uneven playing field.

[VBshooter]

zephyp wrote;you forgot to mention they always wear them spandex britches...

And that...... Should be made against the law at the federal and state levels with the punishment involving a poncho or other shapeless garment in perpetuity

[zephyp]

The Great Mystery is not a great mystery: they congregate where the aisles meet because there is not enough room for them in the aisles themselves. The aisles can hold one big butt, but not two big butts, but the intersections can hold 3 or 4 big butts.

In spandex no doubt...

Like bull dogs trying to crawl over each other in a cloth bag...

[CowboyT]

Naughty, NAUGHTY boys! (but still, LMAO)

That's curious to hear that about that Wal-Mart experience. IIRC, a friend of mine actually saw reloading gear in a Harrisonburg Wal-Mart. Guns are sold in the Hampton Wal-Marts (seeing that blew me away). I've OC'd even in NoVA Wal-Marts with no problem whatsoever. Personally, I think it's *that* Wal-Mart and *that* set of staff, because they aren't all like that.

Write that letter, definitely. And I wouldn't shop there again until the staff changes.

[tacweapon]

I have wrote their ethics office and their main office about the situation. I have got a reply from their ethics office.

Here is the reply I have recieved
Thank you for your message.

Dear .......,

Thank you for taking time to contact us in regards to your recent inquiry at our Walmart store. There is no policy against our customers carrying or wanting to carry their handgun in our stores, as long as he/she is legally permitted by their state to carry the handgun. However, as a private property owner, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. has the authority to ask customers to remove their handgun or leave a store on a case-by-case basis if our customers or Wal-Mart associates express concerns about the handgun. If you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us back.


They did not address the way we were treated by their employees so I have again emailed them.

[Jakeiscrazy]

I have wrote their ethics office and their main office about the situation. I have got a reply from their ethics office.

Here is the reply I have recieved
Thank you for your message.

Dear .......,

Thank you for taking time to contact us in regards to your recent inquiry at our Walmart store. There is no policy against our customers carrying or wanting to carry their handgun in our stores, as long as he/she is legally permitted by their state to carry the handgun. However, as a private property owner, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. has the authority to ask customers to remove their handgun or leave a store on a case-by-case basis if our customers or Wal-Mart associates express concerns about the handgun. If you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us back.


They did not address the way we were treated by their employees so I have again emailed them.

Strange response they gave. Most situations I've seen like this Walmart sends an apology and a invitation to return at anytime. Maybe things are changing. As if you have permission to return to that store specifically, with your sidearm. If they say yes carry that email proudly, in hand, to the store. Just in case.

[VBshooter]

I honestly think they have been blinded by Bloombergs group of idiots over at MAIG and have yet to realize just who they got in bed with...Time will tell! I OC all the time on WalMarts here without issue so I agree that it could just be that store has some paranoia and is breaking cajone's big time...

[Yarddawg]

It sounds to me like a canned response. I would try again.

[newdovo]

As noted earlier, WalMart has good prices on the firearms that they carry. Several years ago (6-7, maybe more) I bought a Henry .22 pump/slide action rifle there. It was a special order, not in stock, so I had to wait a couple weeks for it to come in. When I went to pick it up, they directed me to the layaway department. Mine wasn't layaway, but apparently that's where they keep them; some vault or special area. I stood in line with the other layaway customers, and when I got to the front of the line, gave them my ticket, a ruckus ensued. They brought out my gun, and I asked if I could look at it before I left the store. They reluctantly said OK after a bit of coaxing. All I could do was a visual check, pick it up to look it over, and wrap it back up. The staff and customers seemed astonished that I was getting such an item.
I wanted to buy some ammo, but was told that I would have to take the gun out of the store first. I was immediately escorted to the front entrance (railroaded is more like it) and watched by WalMart staff as I took my wrapped and boxed rifle to the car.
I really did believe that I could just put it in the cart and continue shopping. (silly me). It looked no more conspicuous than a box of curtain rods.
I'll pay a few bucks more to buy somewhere else, from now on. The company's policy may be somewhat gun friendly, but the individuals working there, in each individual store, seem to be able to exert their own will into how policy is exacted. I may buy ammo there, if the price is right, but buying a gun is a hassle and humiliating.
BTW, while I do carry open sometimes, and applaud your efforts, I carry concealed at StuffMart.

Parry

[ProShooter]

They did not address the way we were treated by their employees so I have again emailed them.

Nor did they address the fact that you trespassed upon their private property after having been forbidden to do so.

[gunderwood]

That's curious to hear that about that Wal-Mart experience. IIRC, a friend of mine actually saw reloading gear in a Harrisonburg Wal-Mart. Guns are sold in the Hampton Wal-Marts (seeing that blew me away).

Guns are sold in a lot of Walmarts around here. The handful that don't are in NOVA, but even some of those do. I've never seen reloading supplies at Walmart. What did they carry?

[LFS]

I really did believe that I could just put it in the cart and continue shopping. (silly me). It looked no more conspicuous than a box of curtain rods.

That's because while they want your $$$, they don't trust you.

I'll pay a few bucks more to buy somewhere else, from now on.

Yup. I send money to the VCDL, NRA, VSSA, and SAF to support gun rights. Saving $20 to get something at a store that is in bed with Bloomberg seems counterproductive.

[GS78]

ok , I am going to go out on a limb here, and say both, walking into a walmart store on christmas eve, and open carrying is a stupid thing to do...


You stated that you have a concealed permit, why not just go about your shopping quietly and inconspicuously?

I am guessing the store was probably packed with people completely stressed out from shopping madness at that stage of the holiday game...

somebody posted about open carrying and expecting a negative response from time to time and I agree, and you both were probably looking for that type of response when you made this poor decision.

You have to know how to pick your fights better.

[GS78]

I have wrote their ethics office and their main office about the situation. I have got a reply from their ethics office.

Here is the reply I have recieved
Thank you for your message.

Dear .......,

Thank you for taking time to contact us in regards to your recent inquiry at our Walmart store. There is no policy against our customers carrying or wanting to carry their handgun in our stores, as long as he/she is legally permitted by their state to carry the handgun.


"However, as a private property owner, Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. has the authority to ask customers to remove their handgun or leave a store on a case-by-case basis if our customers or Wal-Mart associates express concerns about the handgun."




They did not address the way we were treated by their employees so I have again emailed them.

They most certainly did address how you were treated. They did not hold you against your will at any time, you could have simply left quietly, you both chose to stand there waiting for the manager and be placed on public display and whatever cameras this door greeter was calling for, he was "concerned" and as the walmart statement says above...thats enough.They no more owe you an apology or further response than YOU owe the walmart employees or any customer who may have had concern over two men walking into a walmart carrying guns on christmas eve....

[Kreutz]

I wanted to buy some ammo, but was told that I would have to take the gun out of the store first. I was immediately escorted to the front entrance (railroaded is more like it) and watched by WalMart staff as I took my wrapped and boxed rifle to the car.

Gander mountain (sadly only game in town at the time/place) did the exact same thing to me after buying a gun there. What was I going to do with an unloaded rifle? Hit someone with it? Why would I spend hundreds of dollars to bludgeon employees and passerby with an unwieldy rifle when I could walk in, grab a solid wood oar for free and then commence my pointless blunt force assault spree with something that would actually be dangerous coming at your head?

I blame lawyers-oar 'em all in the knees!

[Yarddawg]

ok , I am going to go out on a limb here, and say both, walking into a walmart store on christmas eve, and open carrying is a stupid thing to do...


You stated that you have a concealed permit, why not just go about your shopping quietly and inconspicuously?

I am guessing the store was probably packed with people completely stressed out from shopping madness at that stage of the holiday game...

somebody posted about open carrying and expecting a negative response from time to time and I agree, and you both were probably looking for that type of response when you made this poor decision.

You have to know how to pick your fights better.

How is one exercising their right to openly carry a gun into an establishment that is not posted as "No Guns Allowed", a stupid thing to do?

[gunderwood]

ok , I am going to go out on a limb here, and say both, walking into a walmart store on christmas eve, and open carrying is a stupid thing to do...

First probably is, the second isn't. Just because you don't like or disagree with something doesn't make it stupid. I could go on and post some definitions, but I'm learning to exercise brevity...occasionally.

You stated that you have a concealed permit, why not just go about your shopping quietly and inconspicuously?

Because it's his right, it is legal, and he didn't want to?

I am guessing the store was probably packed with people completely stressed out from shopping madness at that stage of the holiday game...

+1

Exactly why I won't be going there without a gun.

somebody posted about open carrying and expecting a negative response from time to time and I agree, and you both were probably looking for that type of response when you made this poor decision.

I've OCed and I wasn't looking for any response. I just wanted to go about my lawful business.

You have to know how to pick your fights better.

Have you ever considered that everyone is not as angry and aggressive as you? I.e. they don't do things to pick fights.

[jsmithusaf89]

Gentlemen, seriously big girls need love too!!!! If they can't get at home, maybe walmart is their second choice?:hysterical:

[zephyp]

Gentlemen, seriously big girls need love too!!!! If they can't get at home, maybe walmart is their second choice?:hysterical:

Indeed, but the "gals" described by the OP transcend, I think, the concept of the BBW....

[CCFan]

They did not address the way we were treated by their employees so I have again emailed them.

Nor did they address the fact that you trespassed upon their private property after having been forbidden to do so.

How so? Va Code § 18.2-119:

If any person without authority of law goes upon or remains upon the lands, buildings or premises of another, or any portion or area thereof, after having been forbidden to do so, either orally or in writing, by the owner, lessee, custodian or other person lawfully in charge thereof, or after having been forbidden to do so by a sign or signs posted by such persons or by the holder of any easement or other right-of-way authorized by the instrument creating such interest to post such signs on such lands, structures, premises or portion or area thereof at a place or places where it or they may be reasonably seen, or if any person, whether he is the owner, tenant or otherwise entitled to the use of such land, building or premises, goes upon, or remains upon such land, building or premises after having been prohibited from doing so by a court of competent jurisdiction by an order issued pursuant to 16.1-253, 16.1-253.1, 16.1-253.4, 16.1-278.2 through 16.1-278.6, 16.1-278.8, 16.1-278.14, 16.1-278.15, 16.1-279.1, 19.2-152.8, 19.2-152.9 or 19.2-152.10 or an ex parte order issued pursuant to 20-103, and after having been served with such order, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. This section shall not be construed to affect in any way the provisions of 18.2-132 through 18.2-136.

He's not trespassing until he's served...