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Re: AK-47 Rail and Sight Mount

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gunderwood wrote:DK, how does this look?

http://www.bridleandbit.net/ebooks/blue ... s/main.swf

According to page 17, it is an Insight Tech MRDS sight on a ScoutScopes.com AK mount. Thought you might want to check it out too.

I really like the looks of that... :thumbsup:
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Re: AK-47 Rail and Sight Mount

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Thanks Garrett. I been thinking about the Ultimak because I havent found an alternative. That one looks a little farther back which might be better for me, but with a red dot I believe most of those have unlimited eye relief so position shouldnt matter.

Decisions decisions. One of my better (and rare) qualities...I hardly ever buy on impulse...

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So, in the final analysis I did the following:

The AK was custom built with TAPCO/other parts to meet compliance standards. Stock sights and a surplus folding wire stock....I've ordered the following mods...

- B-square scope mount (very similar to Scoutscope)
- Truglo 40mm red dot sight
- Tactical single point sling
- Black Plasti Dip for the stock

So, for less than $200 I've potentially converted this rifle to a real SHTF tool. Yes, I know I could have spent more on the sight or other items, but what the hey...I'll give a report once I've assembled and tested everything under stress conditions...that is with Bill watching my every move... :whistle:
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Re: AK-47 Rail and Sight Mount

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What are you using for magazines? If this is to be a serious use gun, you'll need lots of mags.
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Several Tapco but I'm going to try some others. The mag release is the next thing I'd like to see if I can change. Takes 2 hands to get the empty mag out...not good.
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zephyp wrote:Several Tapco but I'm going to try some others.
There's a reason Tapco is called Crapco. Never use US-made mags in an AK if you want the gun to work. US makers all use plastic, which can work if it's got enough steel reinforcement, which is never the case with domestic mags.

Stick with commie mags. Chinese are the best, bar none, of the steel mags. AIM sells them, $9/ea. if you buy ten (they call them European, but they're Chinese). Most any of the surplus Euro mags will work just fine, you have to put up with that damned spine though. Polymers, only the Bulgarian black waffle mags are any good, unless you want to pay $100+/ea. for gray-market OEM Russian. Everything else is either brittle or lacks enough reinforcement (like American mags).
Takes 2 hands to get the empty mag out...not good.
Quality mags may help, but it's also possible you have a tight magwell. Get some decent mags and try them out. If the good ones are still too tight, you may have to break out the files and open up the magwell a smidge.

For now, you can try the whacking technique. Use your new mag to hit the mag release and knock out the old mag. It's harder to describe than it is to do it. Works very well. With much practice you can change AK mags about as fast as on an AR. (Of course, if you do this with Tapco mags, expect your mags to break in short order. They just can't stand up to the stress like the commie mags can.)
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Re: AK-47 Rail and Sight Mount

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Yes, I dont care for the Tapco or Magpul mags. I traded gunderwood a bunch of Magpuls for standard GI issue. Magpuls hang in the well of my M-15 when you hit the button. I'd much rather see the mag hit the ground. The GI issue work well.

The Tapco mags came with the rifle. I'm going to get some commie mags and try the whacking technique...sounds like it should work well...thanks for the tip...
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Ok, I finally got around to putting a rail on my AK and am sorely disappointed. Needless to say I should have listened to good advice given above but no, I had to go and get a B-square. It got good reviews and the pictures looked ok so I told Young I wanted one for Christmas.

I thought from looking at the mount and laying it in place over the receiver that the cover would never come off after mounting. No, I told myself. No one would make a mount that had to be removed to field strip a weapon. Wrong. Anyway, I digress.

The B-square came without any instructions and apparently all the hardware. I scoured the web for instructions and there were none to be had. I finally determined how to mount the blasted thing. By the way, here's the pic on a web site...

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If you are familiar with AKs then you can see the mount sits right over the receiver cover which has to be removed to strip the rifle.

So, I took my AK apart and replaced the hammer and trigger pins with the mounting screws that came with the mount. I put everything back together only to find that the gun would not fire - release the hammer - after reassembly. I noticed the hammer was caught on the trigger. After screwing around for about 45 minutes and searching different AK sites I noticed that the trigger was loose on the mount. I finally found that the original pin had a sleeve on it. So, I took everything apart again and put the sleeve from the original pin on the pin supplied with the B-square mount. Put everything back together again and it worked fine.

Now, I tightened the mounting pins using the knurled knobs provide by B-square with the mount. Silly me, I should have left them loose. Once everything was tightened down I tried to charge the gun but the bolt would only come back about an inch. Frustrated I finally decide the knurled knobs on the mounting pins were too tight. I removed the mount, loosened the knobs and the bolt worked fine. I used a little trial and error to get them tight but still allowing the bolt to travel freely.

So no with everything back together and tightened I decided to see if the receiver cover could be removed. Not.

If my red dot scope will retain zero after removing the mount to field strip the rifle and the knurled knobs dont fall off during use I might keep everything as is. My guess is it might to a degree but not with any measure of precision and the knobs will one day loosen. So my frustration will no doubt mount -- BUT -- arent I glad I left that little red bottle of LocTite closed on the table and decided not to use any.

That decision will no doubt save even more frustration...
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Re: AK-47 Rail and Sight Mount

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Sorry to hear about your troubles. Hope things work out for you, but perhaps VGOF needs a new saying?

Only DK can make an AK not work!
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I thought about that last night. The AK, supposedly a simple, reliable, and effective weapon -- rendered useless merely by installing an accessory rail...I'm quite certain its fully functional with the rail installed but the receiver cover is not coming off unless I remove the mount first...all I wanted was a SHTF and fun range gun...the best part is I am now pretty familiar with the inner workings of the rifle. And not to beat a dead horse but the only way I'll see those inner workings again is to remove the rail mount...

Makes me wonder about the folks who design these things. I think they call them engineers. Anyone know an engineer who messes with guns... :whistle:
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zephyp wrote:Makes me wonder about the folks who design these things. I think they call them engineers. Anyone know an engineer who messes with guns... :whistle:
Hey! I don't design anything anymore. I do systems (not IT), so technically I'm in the business of making sure other engineers don't do stupid stuff like that. :P
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zephyp wrote: Anyone know an engineer who messes with guns... :whistle:
I know a couple, but they don't work cheap...
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gunderwood wrote:
zephyp wrote:Makes me wonder about the folks who design these things. I think they call them engineers. Anyone know an engineer who messes with guns... :whistle:
Hey! I don't design anything anymore. I do systems (not IT), so technically I'm in the business of making sure other engineers don't do stupid stuff like that. :P
I was just pokin fun at ya Garrett. Every once in a while you meet a true engineer who knows how to keep their shoe laces tied and communicate in regular speak...they always seem to be the ones who connect with the "user" and get things right... :friends:

@Diomed - I was pokin a sharp stick at gunderwood...
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zephyp wrote:
gunderwood wrote:
zephyp wrote:Makes me wonder about the folks who design these things. I think they call them engineers. Anyone know an engineer who messes with guns... :whistle:
Hey! I don't design anything anymore. I do systems (not IT), so technically I'm in the business of making sure other engineers don't do stupid stuff like that. :P
I was just pokin fun at ya Garrett. Every once in a while you meet a true engineer who knows how to keep their shoe laces tied and communicate in regular speak...they always seem to be the ones who connect with the "user" and get things right... :friends:

@Diomed - I was pokin a sharp stick at gunderwood...
I was only pretending to be offended. You'd have to try much harder than that. :)
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gunderwood wrote: I was only pretending to be offended. You'd have to try much harder than that. :)
I never set out to offend only poke fun at ya...and if I do offend then I dont mean too...I'm not an offensive guy unless I eat a pot of beans for supper... :hysterical:
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Well, I had the opportunity to zero my AK a couple of weeks ago with Henry. The red dot is a TruGlo and we had a devil of the time getting the elevation set. Finally got it on target and shoots a sweet group at 50 yards. I'm already thinking of a red dot upgrade but thats another discussion. Next step is to see how well it holds zero if I remove the sight rail with sight attached for cleaning. Btw, the rail mounts over the receiver cover making it impossible to field strip unless removed. Henry and I are fairly sure it will hold zero. I'll check that out on my next trip down.
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