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Virginia Ballot Questions 2010

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Wanted to pass this information on to all of you for your review. This was talked about by Doc Thompson yesterday and by the Lee Brother today on WRVA. One of the things so far is nobody knows who or where any of this got started or who submitted it.

Virginia Ballot Questions 2010: Vote NO on 1, 2, and 3
by Rob Schilling on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 at 9:15am

On November 2, 2010 Virginians will be faced with several seemingly innocuous but fatally flawed ballot questions, primarily dealing with various facets of taxation in the Commonwealth.

At hand are three constitutional amendments, which appear on the ballot following a multi-stage approval by the Virginia General Assembly, as follows:

A constitutional amendment, as established in Section 1 of Article XII, can be proposed in either house of the Virginia General Assembly. If a proposed amendment is approved by a simple majority vote in one session of the state legislature, it is automatically referred to the next session of the state legislature that occurs after the next general election of members of the Virginia House of Delegates. If in that second session the proposed amendment is “agreed to by a majority of all the members elected to each house” it is then placed before the state’s voters. If approved by a simple majority vote, it becomes part of the state’s constitution.

Question 1 reads:

Shall Section 6 of Article X of the Constitution of Virginia be amended to authorize legislation that will permit localities to establish their own income or financial worth limitations for purposes of granting property tax relief for homeowners not less than 65 years of age or permanently and totally disabled?

Question 2 reads:

Shall the Constitution be amended to require the General Assembly to provide a real property tax exemption for the principal residence of a veteran, or his or her surviving spouse, if the veteran has a 100 percent service-connected, permanent, and total disability?

Questions 1 and 2 deal with real estate taxation. Helping veterans, disabled, and elderly people is a noble goal, as is tax reduction; the means by which the assistance will be granted, however, is insidious.

America’s founders recognized inherent peril in progressive taxation: a citizen exempt from paying taxes that his neighbor must pay, has no incentive in keeping the tax low because he, himself, does not pay the tax.

Alexander Hamilton warned against multi-tiered real estate taxation schemes in Federalist 35:

“No tax can be laid on land which will not affect the proprietor of millions of acres as well as the proprietor of a single acre. Every land-holder will therefore have a common interest to keep the taxes on land as low as possible; and common interest may always be reckoned upon as the surest bond of sympathy.”

The disastrous results of nearly a century of progressive income taxation can be seen in present day America where 47% of U.S. households paid no federal income tax in 2009. Those paying no tax actually have a vested interest in seeing rates raised for federal income-taxpayers, in order to maintain their own tax-free status.

Virginians would be unwise to allow their system of property taxation to emulate the federal model of progressive income taxation with its designated “winners and losers” and special “protected” classes.

By adding more exceptions to the rule, Virginia Ballot Questions 1 and 2 continue the erosion of “flat” (i.e., equitable) real estate taxation in the Commonwealth, ultimately to the detriment of maintaining Hamilton’s referenced common interests in private property rights and ownership.

Ballot Question 3 fundamentally enlarges state government at the expense of ordinary citizens and the overall state economy.

Question 3 reads:

Shall Section 8 of Article X of the Constitution of Virginia be amended to increase the permissible size of the Revenue Stabilization Fund (also known as the “rainy day fund”) from 10 percent to 15 percent of the Commonwealth’s average annual tax revenues derived from income and retail sales taxes for the preceding three fiscal years?

Increasing the allowable size of Virginia’s “rainy day fund” by 50% is a colossally bad idea. The state is not a bank, an investment, or a savings account; it should hold as little of the people’s money as is practical.

Funds retained by government are unavailable to the state’s economy and thus stifle economic activity both of businesses and individuals.

In addition, fattening the state’s “slush” fund encourages growth in the size and scope of state government, and it is a disincentive to vital cost cutting and budget reform/reduction measures.

Disappointingly, many known “conservatives” publicly are supporting some or all of these constitutional amendments— each of which was passed unanimously in both houses of the Virginia General Assembly. In reality, legislators will reap political gain and political power from the passage of the measures: this is another opportunity to buy votes and to curry favor from large constituencies, all in the name of providing assistance.

As an entire class, property owners are deserving of relief from crushing real estate taxation in Virginia, but such reprieve granted piecemeal is detrimental to property rights and to America’s common interest in limited government. There are better and more American-centric ways to assist veterans, disabled, and elderly people. And, growing the ability of the state to confiscate—and ultimately spend—greater sums will further saddle taxpaying Virginians and encumber Virginia’s struggling economy.


Don’t be fooled by seemingly sympathetic subjects. Progressive taxation and government largesse have not benefited America in the preceding century. The 2010 ballot questions are bad news for liberty loving Virginians, and if passed, they will result in greater state control over our everyday lives.

Virginia Ballot Questions 2010: Vote NO on 1, 2, and 3.
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Thanks for the info.
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If AARP hadn't proven what you posted to be true, I wouldn't have believed it.
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gunderwood wrote:Thanks for the info.
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I dont think I am in favor of allowing a simple majority of voters approve a Constitutional amendment. That IMO is not a fair representation of what the people want. So, figure if only 50% of eligible citizens actually vote (probably a high number) then a state amendment can be approved by ~26% of eligible voters. That doesnt sit right with me.

Thanks for posting...btw disabled vets should get a break...
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And it shouldn't ..Thats just like in most unions,, a very small per centage of themembership actually take part in the meetings and actions., and that small group gets away with it regardless of how small theyt are due to rules just like this POS they are proposing.
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Thanks Paliden. I thought I knew how I was going to vote on these but you gave me something to think about. You definitely changed my mind on at least one.
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It does take more than a simple majority of voters to approve an amendment:
A constitutional amendment, as established in Section 1 of Article XII, can be proposed in either house of the Virginia General Assembly. If a proposed amendment is approved by a simple majority vote in one session of the state legislature, it is automatically referred to the next session of the state legislature that occurs after the next general election of members of the Virginia House of Delegates. If in that second session the proposed amendment is “agreed to by a majority of all the members elected to each house” it is then placed before the state’s voters. If approved by a simple majority vote, it becomes part of the state’s constitution.
It has to pass both houses of the State Legislature twice with an election between the votes, then be voted on by the commonwealth.

As for me, I see this more as a local tax issue, than a statewide issue, that said, as far as I am concerned the concept of "Equal Protection under the Law" as I see it, means I cannot with a clear conscience vote for either of the first two. As for the rainy day fund, given that the Commonwealth's DOT recently found that it had misplaced more than a billion dollars, I cannot vote for it either.
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grumpyMSG wrote:It does take more than a simple majority of voters to approve an amendment:
A constitutional amendment, as established in Section 1 of Article XII, can be proposed in either house of the Virginia General Assembly. If a proposed amendment is approved by a simple majority vote in one session of the state legislature, it is automatically referred to the next session of the state legislature that occurs after the next general election of members of the Virginia House of Delegates. If in that second session the proposed amendment is “agreed to by a majority of all the members elected to each house” it is then placed before the state’s voters. If approved by a simple majority vote, it becomes part of the state’s constitution.
It has to pass both houses of the State Legislature twice with an election between the votes, then be voted on by the commonwealth.

As for me, I see this more as a local tax issue, than a statewide issue, that said, as far as I am concerned the concept of "Equal Protection under the Law" as I see it, means I cannot with a clear conscience vote for either of the first two. As for the rainy day fund, given that the Commonwealth's DOT recently found that it had misplaced more than a billion dollars, I cannot vote for it either.
Read the last sentence. It may require more than a simple majority in the legislature but a simple majority by the voters. How can we trust that a few men and women, many who are against my beliefs, to pass something decent for VA on to the people...not good. A simple change could fix that. Tweak that last bit a little.
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[quote="grumpyMSG"As for me, I see this more as a local tax issue, than a statewide issue, that said, as far as I am concerned the concept of "Equal Protection under the Law" as I see it, means I cannot with a clear conscience vote for either of the first two. As for the rainy day fund, given that the Commonwealth's DOT recently found that it had misplaced more than a billion dollars, I cannot vote for it either.[/quote]
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Thanks for the breakdown, but I voted against all of them before I read this and you have just confirmed my thoughts on what they were trying to do.

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Thanks for the insight Paliden... we were discussing these and trying to figure them out. You made it very clear! BTW - Just came back from the polls and the turnout in our precinct is huge. The poll workers are saying it's bigger than the '08 election. :thumbsup:
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