MSNBC Rem. 700 misfire investigation

[watindes]

Fact or fiction? Anyone have a misfire incident while turning on the safety?

Thanks

Jesse

[allingeneral]

More info here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39762676/ns ... ss-cnbc_tv

[southpaw02]

I think this is total fiction. I have a 700 BDL in 30-06 and have never had this problem.

[M1A4ME]

I've only got one M700 and I never had any problems with it target shooting or groundhog hunting with it.

Perhaps too many follks mess with the trigger adjustments on their rifles instead of just learning to shoot them.

You know, those folks who thing the match barrel, the aftermarket sniper synthetic sniper stock, the match ammo and the scope that costs about what I pay for my cars will MAKE them a sniper - rather than learn breathing, cheekweld, NPOA, trigger pull, sight alignment, etc.

[Jim]

I've only got one M700 and I never had any problems with it target shooting or groundhog hunting with it.

Perhaps too many follks mess with the trigger adjustments on their rifles instead of just learning to shoot them.

You know, those folks who thing the match barrel, the aftermarket sniper synthetic sniper stock, the match ammo and the scope that costs about what I pay for my cars will MAKE them a sniper - rather than learn breathing, cheekweld, NPOA, trigger pull, sight alignment, etc.

Ain't that th' truth. I have a stock issue Savage 110 in .223 that shoots .4 MOA with 55FMJs all day long. That don't make me no sniper, it just says what a decent rifle and a little ejumakation will produce.

[user]

Funny how many used Rem 700's there are for sale today.

Here's what I said about this subject on another website:

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Here's the deal on that. I have a Rem 700 BDL in .30-06, so I was a bit concerned about it. Being an attorney, I located and read the litigation records related to the gun. What I finally figured out is that the trigger system originally supplied has a "floating transfer bar", and if it gets dirt, crud, gunk, ice, etc. up under the bar, then it's as if the trigger were already pulled, as far as the firing pin is concerned, regardless of the trigger's actual position. People have had the guns go off when activating or deactivating the safety, and upon shoving the bolt forward chambering the round.

I got in touch with Remington about it, and they (of course) denied that there was any safety deficiency in their design (ok, I let them have that, I don't really care what their public position for litigation purposes is), but insisted that I send the gun back in right away so they could "check it over for defects". They sent it back right promptly with a brand new trigger system installed, that X-mark thing, or whatever it's called, with a note that said there was no problem found, but that they did replace the trigger system for "customer satisfaction".

They've been getting about six or seven wrongful death actions against them every year, and they all seem to go away, so they must be settling with a confidentiality agreement of general mutual release of claims.

I kind of wish they'd hire me to defend them. Because there's really nothing that's unreasonably dangerous (it is a firearm after all, and inherently dangerous when loaded) about that trigger system. In each and every case of wrongful death, there was a human standing in front of the muzzle when some moron chambered a round, or moved the safety switch. Well, duh! There's a reason why rule one is, "Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction." It doesn't say, "keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction when you're sure the gun is loaded and the safety is off". Some bozo pointed the gun (which in most cases hadn't ever been properly cleaned) at another human being and then did something to the gun, resulting in tragic consequences. Then he wants Remington to pay for his negligence.

Well, they fixed mine for free, and I'm happy with Remington. I bought mine, btw, around 2003, and as far as I know, they're still selling them with the "defective" trigger system - if you get the X-mark thing (pay extra) then the gun won't have that "defect". Of course, you could just keep the gun clean and only point it at things you're willing to kill.

[jrswanson1]

From what I've read by a gunsmith on another forum, some folks use WD40 to clean their rifles. This gums up the works, and the floating transfer bar gets stuck. I don't use WD40 to clean my rifles, I use gun cleaning products made specifically for that purpose. That reminds me, I need to clean my 700 at some point this week.

Jim

[Drewsifer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YFIwoZsWHk

Don't know if you guys have seen this, but its Remingtons official response the to CNBC report. A lot of good stuff. It seems like the majority of the misfires came from improperly adjusted or modified triggers, or improper firearm safety.

[frankD]

Remington now has an entire website dedicated to the 700 due to this media uproar.

http://www.remington700.tv

Funny, I just got my 700. I traded my bow for it (a 2006 Hoyt Trykon). I would have never imagined a trade of my bow for a 700. But, he wanted a bow, and I wanted a 700 in .30-06. So, we're both happy now.

[gunderwood]

But, he wanted a bow, and I wanted a 700 in .30-06. So, we're both happy now.

Congrats on the trade. That is the only real metric to determine the fairness of a trade. A fair trade leaves each party with "more value" than they had before.

[frankD]

Thanks.

Nobody should ever leave feeling slighted. If we didn't have 100 consent with each other, the trade would have never happened.

[user]

From what I've read by a gunsmith on another forum, some folks use WD40 to clean their rifles. This gums up the works, and the floating transfer bar gets stuck. I don't use WD40 to clean my rifles, I use gun cleaning products made specifically for that purpose. That reminds me, I need to clean my 700 at some point this week.

Jim

True. And while it's still liquid, WD-40 will penetrate the seal around the primer in the cartridges and foul the powder. It and other penetrating oils (Marvel Mystery Oil, PB-Blaster, etc.) will spread out as far and thin as they can get and get into every crevice. They don't stay put, and will creep into the cartridges.

[SgtBill]

I did work on several for people that I know along with my own a 7 M.M. Magnum. I only found one weapon that would fire when the safety was taken off or the bolt was slamed shut. It was an easy fix that took all of 10 min. without any part replacements. It is very simple to check the weapon by trying to open the bolt with the safety ON if it won't open then it should be on a recall list and need's to be repaired.
Bill