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http://cbs11tv.com/local/patriotism.at. ... 20415.html

Btw, it's Arlington, Texas, not VA.
Is it okay to show your patriotism at the office?

For one Arlington woman, the answer was "no" after she hung an American flag in her office just before the Memorial Day weekend.

Debbie McLucas is one of four hospital supervisors at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield. Last week, she hung a three-by-five foot American flag in the office she shares with the other supervisors.

When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said.

McLucas' husband and sons are former military men. Her daughter is currently serving in Iraq as a combat medic.

Stifling a cry, McLucas said, "I just wonder if all those young men and women over there are really doing this for nothing."

McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said that supervisor took down the flag herself.

"The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor," McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher-ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.

"I was told it wouldn't matter if it was only one person," she said. "It would have to come down."

McLucas said hospital bosses told her as far as patriotism was concerned, the flag flying outside the hospital building would have to suffice.

"I find it very frightening because if I can't display my flag," McLucas asked, "whatother freedoms will I lose before all is said and done?"

Kindred Healthcare's corporate headquarters are located in Kentucky. We called them for comment when we were first working on this story Tuesday, but they did not return our calls.

Wednesday morning, however, our story received nationwide attention. We have received hundreds of emails and comments from people who had something to say about it.

Among the supporters was a combat medic in Iraq: Debbie McLucas' daughter, Lillian McLucas Dressig. "My mom is a true hero in my book," she said.

It was midnight in Iraq when she spoke to CBS 11. Talking about the stand her mother took which could have cost her job, Lillian said, "If it's the right thing to do, it's the right thing to do. And, I think we need more people to stand up for what's right in America."

Several dozen people protested outside the Mansfield hospital Wednesday. And a receptionist at Kindred's headquarters told us they received many phone calls.

Then, late Wednesday morning, Kindred posted on its website a statement about the incident. It reads, in part: "The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up."

We talked to McLucas Wednesday afternoon. She says the hospital's local CEO called and apologized. And McLucas says the woman did tell her she could put the flag back up, which she has done.

But she says when she was first told the flag had to go, nobody mentioned anything about its size being the root of the problem.

"At no point was I afforded the opportunity -- [no one said,] 'Hey Deb, could you get a one and a half by three and a half and hang it instead of hanging this three by five?'" McLucas said.

Even so, McLucas says she's happy people have spoken out about the issue. "It's just restored my faith in the American people," she said.
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I wish that all of those in this country have the courage and patriotism of this lady! All of those who do not honor and revere OUR Flag should go back to (or go to) the country whose flag they do honor and LEAVE!
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This is an example of PC going to far,,, I think its time to start ignoring these people and tell them to just Shut Up! Personally I am not PC by stretch of the imagination,,I beleive you should call it as you see it and to hell with accomadating these "offended "people,, Here's another one for ya ,,The NAACP actually wants NASCAR to ban the confederate flag at races or they will boycott them,,,
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Here's another one for ya ,,The NAACP actually wants NASCAR to ban the confederate flag at races or they will boycott them,,,
And the problem with that would be.................what? :roll:
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It's not the first time they have tried to do this at NASCAR tracks. I doubt a boycott would have much impact, in my opinion.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522203,00.html
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And the problem with that would be.................what?
Not a damn thing that I can see!!! Can't recall ever needing them to run a race at any other time!!
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VBshooter wrote:
And the problem with that would be.................what?
Not a damn thing that I can see!!! Can't recall ever needing them to run a race at any other time!!
Asuming that I have perceived you're responce correctly, here is what I have to say to that.

This here is the yet another example of this PC bullshit. Was the flag hung in the office needed to save the lives of those in the hospital? No, it was not. Yet she had love for her country, and heritage so she wanted to support it. This is the exact same example of the Confederate flag being flown at a nascar event. We are proud of where we came from. This flag and what it symbolizes is part of OUR culture and heritage. Why should we ( I say we as in those who realize what said flag stands for, and respect it not just whites by the way.) rearange our events and lower a flag simply because you do not like it, or do not understand it. It truly is verrrrrrry simple. If you do not like the flag, or do not like nascar because they fly this flag turn the channel. No one asked you to watch it or look at the flag.

Now here is what i'm sick of. And you take this as a racist remark if you want though it is NOT intended to be that way. The NAACP (National asociation for the advancement of colored people.) offends me. I would love the to see the C changed to an A to represent ALL people not just the colored ones. Will this ever happen? Hell no. I'm not a minority.

This is in responce to you both. If I offended ya, well... Yea.
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Race is a pretty touchy subject - especially when you start talking about Tony Stewart's driving.

There are people of all races and creeds here in the forum, and I can appreciate that. I don't want to see anyone get offended here just as much as anyone else does. It all lies in the level at which someone decides to become offended. Touchy people who take offense at every little thing and want to go throwing a fit and running their mouths about it are at the core of the problem. They want attention and if being offended will get them their 15 minutes of fame, then they're all for it.

The woman in this story who was offended should have, IMHO, considered her surroundings (in the United States of America!) before taking it "up the chain". I mean, really - how much does it offend you, lady? Is it really so bad that you need to go over everyone's heads to get it taken down? Ridiculous. Mind your own business and do your job. While you're doing your job, take a moment to look at Ms. McLucas' US flag and thank that flag for allowing you to live your life in freedom, to have a good job, to have a life outside your native country of squalor and strife.

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I didn't know they went to NASCAR races, I never saw any NAACP caps or shirts at Martinsville.
The NAACP actually wants NASCAR to ban the confederate flag at races or they will boycott them,,,

I read about the American Flag thing, they tried to weasle out of it, Ha.

By the Confederate Flag, I guess they mean the battle flag, thats the one that seems to aggravate everyone the most. It's because they don't know what the other ones are, so much for the school system.
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VBshooter wrote:This is an example of PC going to far,,, I think its time to start ignoring these people and tell them to just Shut Up!
I recently wrote a blurb somewhere about this - the gist was, if PC existed ~250 years ago we'd still all be saying "Hail to the Queen" - Thankfully, some very wise founding fathers realized that for a better country, it was better to *not* be politically correct... It may take another 100 years, but it will probably happen again at some point when enough people get fed up with being "PC"...
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IMO most of these people aren't sensitive. They just like to cause trouble and force the issue. I've been a long time anti-PC advocate and feel its a primary reason for the downfall of our education system. Some examples - give a poor student an A for effort, there are no wrong answers, and the forceful introduction of controversial subjects into the classroom. Also, if you read the history of PC you'll find that its roots are buried in Marxist philosophy. I have a good friend who insists that she's not hearing challenged, but deaf and dumb. I have a couple of overweight friends who insist that they are simply fat. In short, PC is another form of forced control at the federal level instigated by minorities and far left liberals. Ugh!
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BTW, the Confederate flag that is "offensive" is the Naval Jack, not the battle flag. Also, PLEASE watch the language. The F word is not appropriate here.
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Concerning Nascar and the Flag issue;

I feel that this is more a freedom of speech issue and the NAACP is trying to repress others freedom. NASCAR said they don't endorse the flag or fly it and they don't feel its their place to tell others what flags they can and can't fly or wear. NAACP even wanted to prevent people from wearing Tshirts with the flag on it. So where does it stop? Who gets to decide who can wear what? Maybe we should all wear nutral colored tunics so no one gets offended?.......This is all totally ridiculus.
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Workplace rules should be able to control what you do in your work space. I hate to say it, but that is the way it should be.

Is the company a fool on this rule with the flag? Yes. But it is their right. They could not take the heat and backed down, as they should have.
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McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said that supervisor took down the flag herself.

"The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor," McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher-ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.
Here's my problem - the supervisor didn't like the flag, so she took it down and threw it on the floor? I guess she couldn't light it on fire because she didn't want the sprinklers going off?
Then, late Wednesday morning, Kindred posted on its website a statement about the incident. It reads, in part: "The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up."
Because of the size of the flag? Yeah, right. And I'm the Queen of Sheba. :roll:

As for the whole NASCAR / NAACP thing that came up in this thread, I'm a firm believer that if you don't like a company's political agenda, you should vote with your wallet. I try not to patronize anti-gun businesses. If you don't like NASCAR allowing the Confederate Navy Jack, then don't buy NASCAR stuff, or pay to see races. Simple.
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NickFac ,You misunderstood the responses of myself and punchie,, We were stating that the NAACP would not be missed at the races,,, Not the flag, To me it is welcome anywhere,,I too have a deep southern heritage that I will not allow any entity to disgrace or attempt to destroy,,,The disturbing thing about the PC angle is almost all the time they get their way to keep them quiet and it is killing this country,,, Hopefully in time we can get the USA back on course and be the country we should be again.
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Spence, thanks for explaining better than I would have. I am afraid that my sarcasm didn't show in the way it should have in that post.
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VBshooter wrote:NickFac ,You misunderstood the responses of myself and punchie,, We were stating that the NAACP would not be missed at the races,,, Not the flag, To me it is welcome anywhere,,I too have a deep southern heritage that I will not allow any entity to disgrace or attempt to destroy,,,The disturbing thing about the PC angle is almost all the time they get their way to keep them quiet and it is killing this country,,, Hopefully in time we can get the USA back on course and be the country we should be again.
In that case I sincerly apologize. "The disturbing thing about the PC angle is almost all the time they get their way to keep them quiet and it is killing this country." This is exactly why I get a bit bent out of shape about these things. No telling what will be taken from us next... Again i'm realy sorry.

Oh and sorry fer the F-Bomb too.. lol
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The way I see it, the PC crowd is all about jumping up and down screaming for "Change". The have loud voices and this is what gets them noticed.

Those of us who want things to just stay as they are are much quieter. We don't feel the need to jump up and down screaming out in order to get our way. Our way is the way it is before the PC crowd starts fighting for change. We are happy with the status quo, so we don't feel that we have anything to fight for.

So, sitting back and watching changes happen without standing up ourselves and making our voices heard allows the PC crowd to make the changes they want without any (or very little) opposition.

We then fall into the trap of the PC crowd once the issues are brought up. We don't want to seem heartless or insensitive by pushing back against the PC crowd. BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE MUST DO!

Here are a couple of topics to which I am diametrically opposed, but I have never told my representatives, so how can I expect them to know what I'm thinking?

Gay Marriage
Removal of God from our country's system of values and beliefs

There are many, many more - but those two are at the top of my list right now along with keeping our 2A rights.
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I see what you're sayin Allin, and it makes sense.

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