Do You Worry About the Aftermath of a Self-Defense Shooting?

[acldnllc]

Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network

The Network’s goal is to prevent miscarriages of justice through—
• Educating members about the legalities of using deadly force for self defense and how to interact with the criminal justice system after a shooting.
• An initial $5,000 fee deposit paid to the member's attorney by the Network if the member has been involved in a self-defense incident. The fee deposit gets the legal defense immediately underway, with representation during questioning, and arranging for an independent investigation of the incident.
• Network members are also eligible for additional grants of financial assistance from a separate non-profit foundation if they face unmeritorious prosecution or civil action after a self-defense incident occurring during their period of membership.
• The Network publishes a monthly journal online with columns and features focused on topics of interest to armed citizens. Click http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/our-journal for links to the latest edition as well as an archive of earlier journals, which are delivered as PDFs. There is a lot of reading made readily available to non-members who visit the Network website!
• Creating a nationwide network of attorneys and legal experts which the member can draw upon in the event of a self-defense shooting.
If you possess a gun for defense of yourself and your family, we urge you to seriously consider joining the Network.

Preparation to survive the second attack—the legal aftermath of a justifiable defense shooting—is critical.

Ignore it at your own peril.

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Want to learn more about self-defense law and what happens in the criminal justice system after a self-defense shooting?

Click the picture of our 16-page informational booklet shown to the right for a PDF download of this free booklet. For more information about the booklet or to receive a printed copy in the mail, please http://www.armedcitizensn.../stories/Hayes-SDLaw.pdf

[allingeneral]

Here's an interesting read from the ACLDN website.

http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/3-m ... ing-errors

Welcome aboard!

[KaosDad]

Your journal archives go back to 2008. When was the organization founded? How many members have you helped since then? I note you have three classes of affiliates plus a links exchange - but none of your affiliates are firearm fiendly lawyers, are there plans for that in the future?

[SgtBill]

So you want to pick an attorney for me, to defend me in a jury trial after I have a shootout with a perp in self defense or I shoot someone in defense of another. I don't think so. And what is Rob Pincus background I could not find it on any of the paperwork.

[tursiops]

On the face of it, this seems like a pretty good idea at a reasonable price. So I'm not sure why Sgt Bill is so turned off, and I can't actually find any reference to Rob Pincus in their materials! (Although he is an easy guy to find out about on the web...)

What am I missing here? KaosDad asks good questions; I hope the answers will be forthcoming.

[zephyp]

A $5000 deposit? "Ignore at your own peril." I realize we need to be mindful of what happens after a SD shooting but this seems to almost assure everyone that if you do shoot in SD then you are probably wrong.

If someone needs to give an attorney a $5k retainer either they are being railroaded and severely screwed by the system or they were barely or not justified in the shooting. Just my opinion...and maybe I'm being naive...

[gunderwood]

A $5000 deposit? "Ignore at your own peril." I realize we need to be mindful of what happens after a SD shooting but this seems to almost assure everyone that if you do shoot in SD then you are probably wrong.

If someone needs to give an attorney a $5k retainer either they are being railroaded and severely screwed by the system or they were barely or not justified in the shooting. Just my opinion...and maybe I'm being naive...

$5k for a retainer sounds about "right." I still think I'd rather pick my own lawyer though. Now if I could join and set it up so that a lawyer of my choosing, that might be worth it.

[allingeneral]

I hope to see some answers from the OP as well for clarification. We seem to be a little leery of things sometimes Does this person just want my money, or will they actually back up their claims and do I find value in what they are offering.

As for the $5,000 retainer... seems to me that if arrested for shooting in self defense, having a retainer immediately available might take a lot of the stress out of the situation from the very beginning. You never know what the police will do - even if it is clearly a self defense case, and you feel that you shouldn't be charged - the police and the Commonwealth's Attorney have the final say on that, and you have no control over what they decide to do.

[9MMDerringer]

Obviously anyone interested in using this service/orgnaization should contact them and ask some questions before they send them the $85.00, but at least on the surface I would say that it is not a bad idea. Here are my thoughts:

For $85.00 a year, if your involved in an incident and have to defend yourself from charges, getting even an average lawyer involved ASAP may be a great idea to protect your rights. Just because you paid a $5000 retainer and the lawyer came out and provided you with advice and started to represent you, does not mean you have to keep them as your lawyer. You can fire that lawyer and hire a new one. As long as the lawyer this organization provided did not screw something up, you would be better off than not having a lawyer. Also, if you find yourself caught up in a self defense shooting in another state while on travel, and you have no idea which lawyers in that jurisdiction are better to represent you, this service may at least provide you with the initial lawyer to start protecting your rights, giving you some "air" to find the best attorney to defend you at trial. Best case scenario is that the attorney this organization provided ends up being a good qualified experienced lawyer, who practices in the county where you were arrested and does a great job, which maybe cost you $85.00.

Like I said, before you send in your $85.00, interview the heck out of them and see what they are made of. Ask for which law firms they use in our area and lets look at those firms' record. Many people after being involved in their first shooting are shaken up, nervous, and upset. Some police investigators may try to take advantage of that. Have you ever been placed in that situation where the court determines that you make too much money to qualify for free legal defense, but all the private lawyers you talk with want several thousand dollars that you can't afford?

[TheGodfather]

I think it's the other guy that needs to worry about the aftermath of my self defense shooting.

Do you have a Damned Souls Legal Defense Network?

[KaosDad]

Is the $5,000 a loan? A grant? Is it given to me or directly to a lawyer?

Answers, man! We need answers!

[chfaunce]

Well, I'd *assume* this works kind of like car insurance... everyone pays in a little with the goal of never needing it, but if you do...

And, what if you worry about the aftermath of self-defense slaying with a broadsword? You know, what if I'm feeling a little more William Wallace than Samuel L.?

[GS78]

Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network

The Network’s goal is to prevent miscarriages of justice through—
• Educating members about the legalities of using deadly force for self defense and how to interact with the criminal justice system after a shooting.
• An initial $5,000 fee deposit paid to the member's attorney by the Network if the member has been involved in a self-defense incident. The fee deposit gets the legal defense immediately underway, with representation during questioning, and arranging for an independent investigation of the incident.
• Network members are also eligible for additional grants of financial assistance from a separate non-profit foundation if they face unmeritorious prosecution or civil action after a self-defense incident occurring during their period of membership.
• The Network publishes a monthly journal online with columns and features focused on topics of interest to armed citizens. Click http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/our-journal for links to the latest edition as well as an archive of earlier journals, which are delivered as PDFs. There is a lot of reading made readily available to non-members who visit the Network website!
• Creating a nationwide network of attorneys and legal experts which the member can draw upon in the event of a self-defense shooting.
If you possess a gun for defense of yourself and your family, we urge you to seriously consider joining the Network.

Preparation to survive the second attack—the legal aftermath of a justifiable defense shooting—is critical.

Ignore it at your own peril.

________________________________________
Want to learn more about self-defense law and what happens in the criminal justice system after a self-defense shooting?

Click the picture of our 16-page informational booklet shown to the right for a PDF download of this free booklet. For more information about the booklet or to receive a printed copy in the mail, please http://www.armedcitizensn.../stories/Hayes-SDLaw.pdf

this post reminds me of the old ambulance chasers. I guess these "attorneys" would be the equivalent to the "slip and fall" personal injury hacks that have filled the phone book and television screen with their stupid ads.