Campus Carry - your thoughts?

[jaywade]

throwing my own thoughts in the ring here

I can understand why some college's don't want firearms on their campus, not saying I agree w/ it but I get the thinking

You have a lot of different people from differnt backgrounds and cultures and a good potion of them are under 21.....

look at the military

your single live in the barracks and 19 can you have personal gun in your room? (the answer in no) can you cc on base ? no you can't

now I'm not saying I agree w/ that policy, but allowing firearms around such a young and deverse crowd seems like a pretty standard stuff especially that age grp 17-22

I would guess why the military doesn't allow young enlisted men firearms in the barracks is they are too worried about access.... to many hands could come across that gun...I think the same worry could apply to a college setting too... not a big deal to steal something out a dorm room it happens all the time

if a school will allow cc to it's students I think that's great...but it's not something you are going to find often

[WRW]

I don't think colleges would suprecede state laws...the age for CC is 21 in Va. and that would mean that seniors would be the bulk of those qualified to carry, if that eases anyones mind on the matter.

[KaosDad]

Had just one teacher or one adult student in Norris Hall been armed, the damage Cho did could have been reduced, maybe even greatly. Had one teacher or administrator been armed at Columbine, the carnage could have been reduced.

When my son goes back to Tech in August he will be 21, have his CHP and will have hours of expert instruction in both handgun & carbine from from the USMC and (if all goes well on his "Cruise") have earned his Navy Pistol & Rifle Qualification Ribbons. He's a Staff Office of the Corps of Cadets and 1st Class Midshipman in the NROTC - yet he is not allowed to protect himself on campus. Why?

"But....but...think of the CHILDREN!"

I am. I am thinking of Matthew LaPorte who rests in the Blacksburg Cemetary. I am thinking of Rachel Scott, a junior at Columbine who never graduated. I am thinking of Yang Xin, beheaded in the Tech Student Union.

Across the street from me is an elementary school and behind it is a Middle School. What if I heard shots fired? What if, once I breeched the tree line, I could see some nut walking down the line of cars where parents pickup their kids firing randomly inot vehicles? What if I had a clean shot at CBM with my AR? Yes, what if?

Your argument for getting CC and OC is already made, and paid for in lives, at Tech, Columbine, Nickle Mines, Randalls Town, Red Lake, University of Washington, Northern Illinois University and many, many others (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings). Every shool in Loudoun has one - ONE - Deputy stationed on campus, right up until he is the closes officer to an incident.

How many more times must we "think of the children" before we are allowed to actually protect them?

[jaywade]

of course the real reason I don;t think you'll see more college's allowing campus carry is the fact that so many of those places are very left leaning think tanks.... we gun owners are not a majority in those places.... untill you get some presidents of these colleges to see/ and agree w/ campus carry you can forget about it...

[zephyp]

@Rich - very well put...

[gunderwood]

I don't think colleges would suprecede state laws...the age for CC is 21 in Va. and that would mean that seniors would be the bulk of those qualified to carry, if that eases anyones mind on the matter.

Exactly.

Outside of campus's this happens everyday of the week and it isn't a big deal. The argument isn't to change the age or who can CC, but rather if a college is a geographic location that can be prescribed as off limits. This really isn't about CC at all. It isn't about if citizens at 21 should be able to carry or not. It is about carrying in a particular location and the assumed bad results that could come from it...

This isn't about CC or guns, it is about a particular location in which wild, irresponsible behavior is tolerated by society and it scares people to think guns can be introducted into that setting.

Edit: It isn't gun owners or responsible CCers who need to be restricted and punished, but rather that other behavior we have a bad habit of excusing and tolerating.

[WRW]

This isn't about CC or guns, it is about a particular location in which wild, irresponsible behavior is tolerated by society and it scares people to think guns can be introducted into that setting.

Edit: It isn't gun owners or responsible CCers who need to be restricted and punished, but rather that other behavior we have a bad habit of excusing and tolerating.

Ahhh, the old "Higher Learning is a Theme Park" mentality.

[t33j]

of course the real reason I don;t think you'll see more college's allowing campus carry is the fact that so many of those places are very left leaning think tanks.... we gun owners are not a majority in those places.... untill you get some presidents of these colleges to see/ and agree w/ campus carry you can forget about it...

Or bind them down with legislation...


@gunderwood: Guns and other weapons are already present. Check out the ODU safety alerts for instance. Public Universities are like any other criminal protection zone.
My dorm room was never host to wild or irresponsible behavior.

[CowboyT]

I said it was one compromise. I didn't say that would be the best solution. I had previously stated what I believe the best solution to be.

You can stand by your interpretation all you want, if that's what you want. But SgtBill, Zephyp, and AllInGeneral got it right.

[zephyp]

The split between legal age for adulthood and legal age to serve in the military is simply doctrine which boils down to psychology, physiology, force, and sociology...

On one hand there are what we think of as societial norms...(excuse my spelling --- my Firefox is on the other box)...which sets specific age limits based on some arbitrary notion of when a person becomes a responsible adult...

On the other hand is military doctrine...then younger the man the more testoterone they have (macho) and the better shape they are in physically. Younger is still a little mentally immature and easier to mold (yes, brainwash). And the numbers game...you need alot of those young eager malleable men to send into battle...given today's technology that line of reasoning could perhaps change since we are well beyond the days of having several thousand screaming men charge into several thousand other screaming men all aiming to kill each other...

However, if you look backwards in time the recognized age of adulthood was much younger than it is today for both serving in the military and other things like owning/carrying guns, drinking, getting married, etc...not sure when it changed but there was once upon a time that an age was not codified in law...it was codified by the character of a young person and the way they conducted themselves...policing was done on the spot by someone in charge or a "responsible" adult...maybe that was the best compromise and we screwwed it up by passing questionable laws...but I digress...some laws are just plain stupid and many are questionable...

[gunderwood]

@gunderwood: Guns and other weapons are already present. Check out the ODU safety alerts for instance. Public Universities are like any other criminal protection zone.
My dorm room was never host to wild or irresponsible behavior.

I know. I think CC should be allowed. I said it scares the people (general public) and most people tend to be very uninformed about everything these days. The news media is to busy running the latest Paris Hilton or feel good fluff to look at real issues. I was simply pointing out that objectors to CC on campus are really dancing around the real issue which causes all the other problems.

[gunderwood]

I said it was one compromise. I didn't say that would be the best solution. I had previously stated what I believe the best solution to be.

You can stand by your interpretation all you want, if that's what you want. But SgtBill, Zephyp, and AllInGeneral got it right.

Fair enough if that is what you meant to say, but there really isn't any interpretation to it...

then your military ID should be enough to allow you, regardless of your age, to purchase a handgun

There is only one legal way to get a military ID, that is to join the military. You said the military ID was enough to allow the under 21 purchase, not simply being a law abiding citizen. If you didn't mean any service member can purchase a handgun before they are 21, while average citizens can't, why did you bring up the military at all?

I don't think my reading comprehension is that bad, but I'm very curious how that sentence can mean anything other than that. If you mis-communicated, fine, but you seem to be trying to pull a Clinton on me.

[gunderwood]

it was codified by the character of a young person and the way they conducted themselves

+1

[meangene]

As SCOTUS continues to toss out gun bans across the country, I would be surprisd if colleges don't start relaxing their plicies soon. There's probably a good legal argument for public universities if someone wants to challenge it in court.