FBI raids on Several militias.......arrests and siezures...

[GS78]

Ok I know some of these "militias" might be a little whacked out, BUT! we have to ask why the ATF, FBI under Holder ( who already has blood on his hands from Waco) is raiding these so-called militias? one thing we are told over and over in these stories is that these were "christian militias"...... This may be the start of something a whole lot bigger.

http://www.thenews-messenger.com/articl ... /100329001

http://detnews.com/article/20100328/MET ... tia-group=

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp& ... 68f2eec009



Phyllis Brugger, who has lived in the area for more than 30 years, said some people who lived there were known as having ties to militia. They would shoot guns and often wore camouflage, according to Brugger and her daughter, Heidi Wood.

"Everybody knew they were militia," Brugger said. "You don't mess with them."

This is what disturbs me, statements like this lady made. I am reading several news accounts of these raids and yet to find any criminal activity , that would have been public knowledge anyway, to cause the raids by the feds.....

[GS78]

"They took over the block like it was the Army. I thought we were being invaded," said Michael Morin, who lives two lots away.

FBI agents in Ohio also made an arrest in Huron on Saturday night, said Wilson, the FBI spokesman. He said no further information would be released until after they appeared in court Monday.......




.......seems like they might have been involved in some way with "threats" to elected officials, thats from the michigan militias homepage.

http://michiganmilitia.com/

[GS78]

hmmm, well they do have some good links on their website......

http://hutaree.com/

[GS78]

sedetion charges?...



.Muslim leaders in Chicago are "following developments of the arrests with great interest and concern," says Ahmed Rehab, Executive Director of CAIR Chicago.

"If some of the initial reports are true. Then, these radical groups are a chilling indication that anti-Muslim hysteria in some circles may be developing into stages of organized terroristic activity," Rehab said Sunday night.



I am beginning to see what happened here, and why the fbi is being so quiet about it. They were "protecting" ...The Brotherhood , a radical musilm association.....



This may be something else altogether

[GS78]

ok, well after listening to the various talking heads, and combing over several websites and forums, I think Its clear, these were people who own guns, mistrust the government, believe in a christian God(extremely I admit), shoot their guns, wear camo with jungle lids,and talk about the end of society as we know it, and what they are prepared to do in that event..........


.......I'll be right back, someone is pounding at my door.....

[GS78]

OK its now apparent to me(I know I always jump without a net)

There is something really fishy about this story.......

http://freep.com/article/20100329/NEWS0 ... fore-judge

Six Michigan residents, two Ohio residents and an Indiana resident have been indicted for attempted use of weapons of mass destruction in connection with their membership in a Lenawee County Christian militia group, according to investigators,all members of the Hutaree -- conspired to oppose by force the authority of the U.S. government, according to a release by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Detroit. The indictment claims that the Hutaree planned to kill an unidentified member of local law enforcement and then attack the law enforcement officers who gather in Michigan for the funeral. According to the plan, the Hutaree would attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession with improvised explosive devices rigged with projectiles, which constitute weapons of mass destruction, according to the announcement by U.S. Attorney Barbara L. McQuade.
“Because the Hutaree had planned a covert reconnaissance operation for April which had the potential of placing an unsuspecting member of the public at risk, the safety of the public and of the law enforcement community demanded intervention at this time," McQuade said in the announcement. “Hutaree members view local, state, and federal law enforcement as the ‘brotherhood,’ their enemy, and have been preparing to engage them in armed conflict.”



..........and then there is this side of the story,

FBI reportedly raids militia after threats of violence against Islamic organizations

WASHINGTON, March 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — A prominent national Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization tonight called on federal law enforcement authorities to release more information about possible threats of violence against American Muslims by a militia group raided this weekend in several states.

[NOTE TO MEDIA PROFESSIONALS: Charges are expected to be unsealed in federal court in Detroit on Monday. If the reported threats to Islamic organizations are confirmed, CAIR will hold a news conference on the issue later on Monday in Washington, D.C. CONTACT: CAIR National Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper, 202-744-7726, E-Mail: ihoo...@cair.com]

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said at least seven members of a Christian militia group have been arrested in FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force raids and investigations in Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana. according to media reports, the “Hutaree” militia was targeted after its members made threats of violence against Islamic organizations.

SEE: seven Arrested in FBI Raids Linked to Christian Militia Group (Detroit News)

tinyurl.com/detnewsmilitia

FBI Arrests 7 with Ties to Christian Militia (CBS)

cbs5.com/national/hutaree.militia.group.2.1595616.html

“Given the recent sharp spike CAIR offices nationwide have observed in anti-Islam rhetoric, it would not be surprising that an extremist group would seek to turn that bigoted rhetoric into violent actions,” said CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad. “At this stage, we are seeking more information about possible threats to American Muslim organizations and are urging the offices of CAIR and other Islamic institutions nationwide to take appropriate security precautions.”

He added that just last week, CAIR called on Republican leaders to repudiate racist taunts by tea party opponents of health care reform targeting a Muslim congressman and another African-American lawmaker on Capitol Hill.

SEE: Muslim Congressman Called ‘N**ger’ by Tea Party Protesters

tinyurl.com/carsonnword

Awad also noted that CAIR recently expressed concern about the reported rise in the number of anti-government and anti-immigrant extremist groups during the past year.

SEE: CAIR Concerned About Reported Rise in Militias, ‘Patriot’ Groups

tinyurl.com/riseinmilitias

CAIR is urging American Muslim individuals and institutions to review advice on security procedures contained in its “Muslim Community Safety Kit.”


for those unfamiliar with CAIR, CAIR is an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood, an Egyptian organization founded in 1928 that today boasts divisions throughout the world. The Brotherhood has been operating in the United States since the 1960s in a manner fully consistent with its motto: “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Quran is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” Its website makes no bones about the fact that it seeks “the introduction of the Islamic Shariah as the basis for controlling the affairs of state and society.”


http://article.nationalreview.com/print ... ZlNDgxY2Q=



I think this raid is a ruse.

[WildBill44]

One of the first accounts I read was that some of the local MUSLIMS felt threatened by these "Christian Militias", so they had their stooge in the White House raid them and eliminate them. Remember the quote Obama made in one of his books when he said if things were going against the Muslims he would come down on THEIR side! We have our first AFRICAN president who is MUSLIM!

[Vahunter]

WildBill I read that in Obama's book...........

[JC420IN]

Sounds like a huge mess to me, it also sounds as if both sides have no tolerance for the other side which is just asking for trouble. An extremist of any religion or belief has always proven to be a bad thing as history has shown over and over again. But like they say there's one in every crowd, lol.

[GS78]

Sounds like a huge mess to me, it also sounds as if both sides have no tolerance for the other side which is just asking for trouble. An extremist of any religion or belief has always proven to be a bad thing as history has shown over and over again. But like they say there's one in every crowd, lol.

I don't believe what the media and feds are putting out .

[JC420IN]

Sounds like a huge mess to me, it also sounds as if both sides have no tolerance for the other side which is just asking for trouble. An extremist of any religion or belief has always proven to be a bad thing as history has shown over and over again. But like they say there's one in every crowd, lol.

I don't believe what the media and feds are putting out .

me either that's why I say it sounds like a huge mess. media is never "fair and balanced" as they claim that's one thing you can be sure of

[GS78]

correction , Holder our AG, was also "on the job" during the assault at Ruby Ridge... I hadn't realized that.




http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/license- ... id=9740491


The director of national intelligence affirmed rather bluntly today that the U.S. intelligence community has authority to target American citizens for assassination if they present a direct terrorist threat to the United States..



most people think of terrorist as oh I don't know, someone who flys a plane into buildings..... most but not all....

[gunderwood]

All I gotta say is this:

§ 44-1. Composition of militia.
The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia.

[gunderwood]

The deal with multiple stories and not confirming is because they are waiting to see what the public buys best. Then that will become the truth. If there is anything you should have learned from watching the FBI work any sort of case, is that if they have something for sure, they are on every channel justifying their budget.

[GS78]

The unorganized militia; who decides those parameters?

[Diomed]

Aaaaand that health care business is conveniently off the front pages. Purely by chance, of course. A happy coincidence, if you will.

[zephyp]

Folks I see 2 big issues coming from this...

- Government and MSM labeling of anyone learning to use guns as militia
- Government and MSM open assault on Christians...

All other results are secondary IMHO...

[viiiball]

I'm sorry but you don't need the media to show that this group was very much on the fringe. Their very own web site states that they are here to fight against the anti-christ. I know that can be left open to a lot of interpretation but folks in the main stream don't have web sites with soldier rankings and videos of military style training.

[GS78]

Aaaaand that health care business is conveniently off the front pages. Purely by chance, of course. A happy coincidence, if you will.

I didn't even think of that,




.......... maybe I have a tear in the back somewhere......

[GS78]

I'm sorry but you don't need the media to show that this group was very much on the fringe. Their very own web site states that they are here to fight against the anti-christ. I know that can be left open to a lot of interpretation but folks in the main stream don't have web sites with soldier rankings and videos of military style training.

I agree with you that these people are whacked, look at their mugs......

My point is, why two different stories? who pointed this bunch out? SLP center? and CAIR(radical muslims)... why is the FBI,ATF and who knows who else, working with muslim groups that intend to implement Sharia law here in the US, even if it is incremental. CAIR who were, and are behind the first Muslim in Congress....are these people strange? no doubt. A spokesman from the Michigan Militia, said this, " The Feds went after these guys because they are 'low hanging fruit'."




what I am saying, and I know to be true, is that the US government 's expertise in crafting a storyline that most people believe is second to none in the world. If they have to they will bring in steven speilberg to direct the show....as far as we know these kooks are guilty of talking to much while playing army......