WH Sets the Stage for Israel

[zephyp]

Need I add any commentary to the title I chose for this thread?

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100314/ts ... 0314150723


Israeli settlement action 'an insult': Obama aide

Sun Mar 14, 11:07 am ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Israel's announcement of plans to build 1,600 settler homes in east Jerusalem was not only an "insult" to the United States but "destructive" of the Middle East peace process, a top White House official said Sunday.

"This was an affront, it was an insult but most importantly it undermined this very fragile effort to bring peace to that region," said David Axelrod, one of President Barack Obama's closest advisers.

"We have just started proximity talks, that is shuttle diplomacy, between the Palestinians and the Israelis, and for this announcement to come at that time was very destructive," he said on NBC television's Meet the Press show.

Israel's announcement of plans to build the 1,600 housing units in mostly Arab east Jerusalem came March 10 during a visit by US Vice President Joe Biden that had aimed to encourage the first indirect Israeli-Palestinian talks since Israel's 2008-2009 offensive in Gaza.

Axelrod's comments were further evidence of the Obama administration's growing frustration with conservative Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Biden himself condemned the east Jerusalem building plan in a sharp statement issued in Jerusalem and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Netanyahu directly in a 43-minute phone call that the announcement sent a "deeply negative" signal about Israel's approach to relations with Washington.

Axelrod said both Biden's and Clinton's words reflected Obama's thinking, and he said he believed Netanyahu had received the message.

His comments came after Netanyahu, who has expressed regret over the timing of the announcement, sought to calm down what many in Israel see as the worst crisis in US-Israeli relations in two decades.

"We opened the papers this morning and saw the analyses and reviews," Netanyahu said Sunday ahead of a weekly cabinet meeting. "I suggest we not get carried away, and calm down."

"We know how to deal with situations like these, calmly, responsibly and seriously," he said.

But there was no sign Washington was prepared to let go of the issue.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Netanyahu's expression of regret was "a good start" but suggested that the Israeli leader had more to do to placate his country's closest ally.

In an interview on Fox News Sunday, he said that in her conversation with Netanyahu, Clinton outlined steps that the United States thinks he should take.

"I think what would be an even better start is coming to the table with constructive ideas for constructive and trustful dialogue about moving the peace process forward," he said.

On ABC's This Week, Axelrod said, "Israel is a strong and special ally. The bonds run deep. But for just that very reason, this was not the right way to behave."

[GS78]

We have just started proximity talks, that is shuttle diplomacy, between the Palestinians and the Israelis, and for this announcement to come at that time was very destructive...

did the WH point out that the Leader of Israel wanted DIRECT talks with the Palestinians, but the palestinians refused?


proximity talks are a joke, little more than grade school playground BS between "little suzie and that cute boy over there....".

[zephyp]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Israel moves against anyone in the middle east, like say that country developing nuclear capabilities - my bet is obama moves out to stop them...with a show or threat of force. They are laying the groundwork right here - with this very issue...Just my thoughts...

[VBshooter]

I wouldn't listen to anything Billary says either and Obammy can't support jews .. they're not in the right religion,,To hell with the years of good relations we have had with Israel in a little over a year,,, The man needs to go away and an adult live in the White House

[GS78]

Neither Hillary or Obama have anything to say about how Israel conducts its business. GOD is the one who determines that. Watch and learn.

[zephyp]

I agree GS78 but the stage for more prophecy to unfold is being set...

[KaosDad]

OK, so I'll jump in here for some abuse. I fully understand how important Israel is to us as an ally. However, I think it's high time somone in the White House put their foot down (however so lightly). We have mollycoddeling the Israeli governemtn for far too long. We spoke to them very sternly when we kepy catching their spies, maybe pounded our fist when they strafed our ship and, in the past, we might have even hung up without saying "goodbye." But when they fire off a round an unprovoked artillery barrage we just kinda look away. Same thing when they destroy houses & settlements.

Is the terrorism perpetrated by Hammas "OK"? Heck no! But Israel sure as all get out is not seeking the higher ground here. Well, actually, they are - one encampment at a time.

[CCFan]

eh.... try living in a state less than the size of Maine and being surrounded by folks wanting to blow you to bits and take your land... how would YOU feel? I say let Israel do what they need to do to survive.... we can't imagine what it's like having rockets launched at our land at any given moment.... if our Fed Gov't isn't going to listen to the wants of their own citizens, they have no right interfering with other nations...

[WildBill44]

Just a thought here, but does anyone remember the USS Liberty when our "allies" tried unsuccessfully to sink and did manage to kill and wound quite a number of our US Navy sailors?

[zephyp]

OK, so I'll jump in here for some abuse. I fully understand how important Israel is to us as an ally. However, I think it's high time somone in the White House put their foot down (however so lightly). We have mollycoddeling the Israeli governemtn for far too long. We spoke to them very sternly when we kepy catching their spies, maybe pounded our fist when they strafed our ship and, in the past, we might have even hung up without saying "goodbye." But when they fire off a round an unprovoked artillery barrage we just kinda look away. Same thing when they destroy houses & settlements.

Is the terrorism perpetrated by Hammas "OK"? Heck no! But Israel sure as all get out is not seeking the higher ground here. Well, actually, they are - one encampment at a time.

I'll offer no abuse, only a comment At least Israel sticks to protecting their own country. You dont see them with military forces all over the globe strafing ships, firing artillery, and running spy ops. Not saying whether I agree or disagree with US global ops. Merely pointing out that they tend to be protective about their own interests and do it quite well. The US....well IMO we tend to stick our noses in alot of places it has no business being. We could learn a good lesson from Israel and maybe try to solve some of our own interests right here...like maybe stemming the flow of illegals and drugs on our southern border. If we put $10B per month into that we might solve that problem real quick.

[GS78]

Just a thought here, but does anyone remember the USS Liberty when our "allies" tried unsuccessfully to sink and did manage to kill and wound quite a number of our US Navy sailors?

yeah, it was a black Op that went bad. LBJ and McNamara tried to get the US into the middle east war, by attacking a US spy ship off the coast of lebanon. They figured it worked so well in 64' that it could work again. Some think that when it went horribly wrong, that LBJ actually gave orders to let the ship sink, drowning all 300 men. It was meant to be blamed on egypt, thats why they weren't flying marked jets, and it seemed that everyone in the Israeli war room knew it was not the frieghter they claimed it was.... the real question is this; Why did our President allow this to happen? Some claim it was Robert McNamara who intentionally mislead LBJ about an incident in 64 that was eerily similar to what happened in 67. LBJ was a mean son-of-a-b*tch, a tough texan and a ruthless politician, so please don't try to tell me that " The Jews run America" that is the easy way out, make them the bad guys like Hitler did. Think about it, why would American politicians WANT to get us in a war back in 67' in the heart of the middle east, and while we were just getting started on our quest to win hearts and minds in Indochina? .......The way the story goes, LBJ ordered that the "incident" be labeled a case of mistaken identity, and it was.....labeled that. I believe the Israeli's (who owed us a HUGE debt for our help in 48) were acting as agents FOR the US, not against the US. When the SHTF, it was full-on cover-up mode, by D.C.


Lets not forget this all happened during the six-day war in which Israel fought against and BEAT badly, all of its Arab neighbors.... could it be that our own military , acting out of concern that Israel could not survive such an all out assault by the Arabs were really trying to get into the fight on Israel's side by stageing such an attack right during the height of the middle east war? If you NO, to quickly, I would caution you to do some more homework.

[GS78]

Just a thought here, but does anyone remember the USS Liberty when our "allies" tried unsuccessfully to sink and did manage to kill and wound quite a number of our US Navy sailors?

yeah, it was a black Op that went bad. LBJ and McNamara tried to get the US into the middle east war, by attacking a US spy ship off the coast of lebanon. They figured it worked so well in 64' that it could work again. Some think that when it went horribly wrong, that LBJ actually gave orders to let the ship sink, drowning all 300 men. It was meant to be blamed on egypt, thats why they weren't flying marked jets, and it seemed that everyone in the Israeli war room knew it was not the frieghter they claimed it was.... the real question is this; Why did our President allow this to happen? Some claim it was Robert McNamara who intentionally mislead LBJ about an incident in 64 that was eerily similar to what happened in 67. LBJ was a mean son-of-a-b*tch, a tough texan and a ruthless politician, so please don't try to tell me that " The Jews run America" that is the easy way out, make them the bad guys like Hitler did. Think about it, why would American politicians WANT to get us in a war back in 67' in the heart of the middle east, and while we were just getting started on our quest to win hearts and minds in Indochina? .......The way the story goes, LBJ ordered that the "incident" be labeled a case of mistaken identity, and it was.....labeled that. I believe the Israeli's (who owed us a HUGE debt for our help in 48) were acting as agents FOR the US, not against the US. When the SHTF, it was full-on cover-up mode, by D.C.


Lets not forget this all happened during the six-day war in which Israel fought against and BEAT badly, all of its Arab neighbors.... could it be that our own military , acting out of concern that Israel could not survive such an all out assault by the Arabs were really trying to get into the fight on Israel's side by stageing such an attack right during the height of the middle east war? If you NO, to quickly, I would caution you to do some more homework.

If you say NO, to quickly

[9MMDerringer]

How did all this start?

in 1929 - Palestine riots and Arabs kill 67 Jews.

In 1936 - Arabs destroy Jewish Farms and Jewish orchards and kill many more Jews during these attacks. British and Jewish Police try to restore order and 10,000 Arabs are killed in the conflict and approximately 600 British and Jews also die during this conflict, which the Arabs started.

In 1947, the U.N. resolves the conflicts by establishing two states, (one Jewish, and one Arab). Arabs fight this decision and wage attacks on the Jews again, and the Jews fight back. In 1948 - Jews declare the State of Isreal.

That pretty much set the stage for where they are today, not even mentioning the 1967 Six day war where Egypt, Jordan and Syria attacked Isreal and Isreal kicked their butts.

There has been unwelcome hostility by the Arabs towards the Jews for years and years. The Jews defend themselves. It has been visably spoken by neighboring Arab countries that they wish to push the Jews in to the Sea and destroy them. Additionally, the Egyptians are so concerned and supportive of the Palestinian people, that Egypt built a huge wall to keep them out of Egypt!

[GS78]

How did all this start?

in 1929 - Palestine riots and Arabs kill 67 Jews.

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It started LONG before that .......Genesis 32:28.....Then the man said , "Your name will no longer be Jacob,but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."

and God said to him, I am God Almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from your body. The land I gave to Abraham and Isaac I also give to you,and I will give this land to your descendants after you. Then God went up from him at the place where he had talked with him.(Gen.35:11-13).

In my opinion, the biggest mistake anyone and everyone who judges Israel is that they do not understand whats really at work there. If you claim to believe the Bible, you have to believe it all. God will decide the fate of Israel, and he alone will. Hillary Clinton, joe Biden , barrack HUSSEIN obama have NO say in it.(and neither does any politician from either side)

[GS78]

OK, so I'll jump in here for some abuse. I fully understand how important Israel is to us as an ally. However, I think it's high time somone in the White House put their foot down (however so lightly). We have mollycoddeling the Israeli governemtn for far too long. We spoke to them very sternly when we kepy catching their spies, maybe pounded our fist when they strafed our ship and, in the past, we might have even hung up without saying "goodbye." But when they fire off a round an unprovoked artillery barrage we just kinda look away. Same thing when they destroy houses & settlements.

Is the terrorism perpetrated by Hammas "OK"? Heck no! But Israel sure as all get out is not seeking the higher ground here. Well, actually, they are - one encampment at a time.

I'll disagree with you. When you say "fire off a round, an unprovoked artillery barrage" next time please also post proof of such an unprovoked attack on the helpless palestinians. The same palestinians who are funded by Iran. Hamas, Hezzbollah the PLO, all enemies of the United States, do you recall anything about suicide bombings from palestinians crossing into jewish areas? buses, niteclubs, wedding parties? Do you happen to know how many rockets are fired from the Gaza into Israel?


Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired a rocket into southern Israel on Thursday, damaging an empty kibbutz workshop but causing no casualties, Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld told AFP.

The rocket, the first to be fired across the border in a month, struck as US Vice President Joe Biden was winding up a visit to the region.

According to Israeli government data, Palestinians have fired a total of 146 rockets and 71 mortar shells at Israel since its military offensive in the Gaza Strip ended in January last year.



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let me ask you this, if mexico or canada fired 146 rockets and 71 mortar shells into this country, what do you think would happen to them? would you consider that unprovoked? go ahead and tell me that Israel is occupying palestine, then tell me if you perhaps think of yourself as a christian(I don't know if you do, and really don't want to know, just food for thought).

[9MMDerringer]

If the Palestinians were smart they would have illegally sneaked in to this country, took jobs in contruction, landscaping, and house/office cleaning. Married Americans and filed for green cards and citizenship. Had anchor babies here in the USA. Collected welfare and tapped in to the American education system for free. Started requiring that we print out everything in Arabic and English for them. Started gangs here and organized crime, but demand Constitutional protections for themselves while engaging in that criminal activity while being here illegally. etc etc etc...

The Hispanics do it, why not the Palestinians?

[GS78]

If the Palestinians were smart they would have illegally sneaked in to this country, took jobs in contruction, landscaping, and house/office cleaning. Married Americans and filed for green cards and citizenship. Had anchor babies here in the USA. Collected welfare and tapped in to the American education system for free. Started requiring that we print out everything in Arabic and English for them. Started gangs here and organized crime, but demand Constitutional protections for themselves while engaging in that criminal activity while being here illegally. etc etc etc...

The Hispanics do it, why not the Palestinians?

A majority of the United States was part of mexico. That has no bearing on this conversation though.

[zephyp]

If the Palestinians were smart they would have illegally sneaked in to this country, took jobs in contruction, landscaping, and house/office cleaning. Married Americans and filed for green cards and citizenship. Had anchor babies here in the USA. Collected welfare and tapped in to the American education system for free. Started requiring that we print out everything in Arabic and English for them. Started gangs here and organized crime, but demand Constitutional protections for themselves while engaging in that criminal activity while being here illegally. etc etc etc...

The Hispanics do it, why not the Palestinians?

Not meant to be...Biblical prophecy I think kinda interferes with that...

[GS78]

Biblical prophecy states that Israel will be betrayed by a popular and influential world leader...

[zephyp]

Biblical prophecy states that Israel will be betrayed by a popular and influential world leader...

Gee, do ya think????

Remember what I sad about when Israel goes after Iran...they are setting the stage in the WH and when Israel decides to take out their little nuke program the S will indeed HTF...