Two Pentagon Police Officers Shot Outside D.C. Metro Stn

[gatorbait]

It appears to me that everyone posting here went totally bonkers about 1/3, maybe 1/2, the way through, after the purely descriptive information that was posted previously. As soon as the post appeared to the effect he was "well-armed" with two 9mm pistols you went nuts and sunded like a bunch of gun nuts. You appear to think that anyone is sdome sort of Communist if he thinks someone carrying two semiautos--maybe holding as many as 17 rounds each--is well armed. You have to be kidding!

Go back and look at that krap! No wonder people fear us.

What happened is that a certifiable nut job whose father warned about him decided to finish off the Pentagon structure once and for all, so he tried to shoot his way in (as nt jobs are likely to do). I think that kid that shot our big buddy Jim Brady and our Big Buddy resident Ronald Reagan had a similar idea (with, I think, a .22 revolver) was cast in the same mold. Dome on, we're better than that! If the press or whoever is ignorant--and I don't think what they wrote reflects ignorance) then man up and see if you can handle it.

[pittsace]

Pentagon Has DC address thats why they think it is, PD carry Glock 23 and UMP 40's with 30 rd mags. If you have any real question PM me.

[zephyp]

Pentagon Has DC address thats why they think it is, PD carry Glock 23 and UMP 40's with 30 rd mags. If you have any real question PM me.

Most official mailing addresses for the Pentagon are DC and yes they carry .40s. The .40 MPs were special order a few years ago by the FBI.

Pentagon is indeed in Arlington County though and on this side of the river...

[pittsace]

Your not telling me anything I don't know. UMP 40 don't have enough reach, PPD officers goto to FLETC and are not gaurds, all the CSO's are pretty much gone.

[OakRidgeStars]

It would seem that the shooter didn't quite fit the stereotype of a angry "right-wing extremist" after all.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/05/ab ... n-shooter/

[zephyp]

Your not telling me anything I don't know. UMP 40 don't have enough reach, PPD officers goto to FLETC and are not gaurds, all the CSO's are pretty much gone.

Ok, right.

[GS78]

It appears to me that everyone posting here went totally bonkers about 1/3, maybe 1/2, the way through, after the purely descriptive information that was posted previously. As soon as the post appeared to the effect he was "well-armed" with two 9mm pistols you went nuts and sunded like a bunch of gun nuts. You appear to think that anyone is sdome sort of Communist if he thinks someone carrying two semiautos--maybe holding as many as 17 rounds each--is well armed. You have to be kidding!

Go back and look at that krap! No wonder people fear us.

What happened is that a certifiable nut job whose father warned about him decided to finish off the Pentagon structure once and for all, so he tried to shoot his way in (as nt jobs are likely to do). I think that kid that shot our big buddy Jim Brady and our Big Buddy resident Ronald Reagan had a similar idea (with, I think, a .22 revolver) was cast in the same mold. Dome on, we're better than that! If the press or whoever is ignorant--and I don't think what they wrote reflects ignorance) then man up and see if you can handle it.

Please explain your post. Man up?

[GS78]

.....besides, Mark David chapman shot the president for love...

[zephyp]

BOHICA - press reporting that one of the guns this guy used was previously confiscated by LE and then found its way to him through a private sale. And as usual, the comments are out of this world...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_pentagon_ ... oting_guns


AP Exclusive: Pentagon gun was from Tenn. police

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 25 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Two guns used in high-profile shootings this year at the Pentagon and a Las Vegas courthouse both came from the same unlikely place: the police and court system of Memphis, Tenn.

Law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that both guns were once seized in criminal cases in Memphis. The officials described how the weapons made their separate ways from an evidence vault to gun dealers and to the shooters.

The use of guns that once were in police custody and were later involved in attacks on police officers highlights a little-known divide in gun policy in the United States: Many cities and states destroy guns gathered in criminal probes, but others sell or trade the weapons in order to get other guns or buy equipment such as bulletproof vests.

In fact, on the day of the Pentagon shooting, March 4, the Tennessee governor signed legislation revising state law on confiscated guns. Before, law enforcement agencies in the state had the option of destroying a gun. Under the new version, agencies can only destroy a gun if it's inoperable or unsafe.

Kentucky has a similar law, but it's not clear how many other states have laws specifically designed to promote the police sale or trade of confiscated weapons.

A nationwide review by The Associated Press in December found that over the previous two years, 24 states — mostly in the South and West, where gun-rights advocates are particularly strong — have passed 47 new laws loosening gun restrictions. Gun rights groups are making a greater effort to pass favorable legislation in state capitals.

John Timoney, who led the Philadelphia and Miami police departments and served as New York's No. 2 police official, said he doesn't believe police departments should be putting more guns into the market.

"I just think it's unseemly for police departments to be selling guns that later turn up," he said, recalling that he had once been offered the chance to sell guns to raise money for the police budget.

"Obviously, we always need the money but I just said, `No, we will take the loss and get rid of the guns'," said the former police chief, who now works for Andrews International, a security consulting firm.

A spokeswoman for the Memphis police said gun swaps are a way to save taxpayer money.

One of the weapons in the Pentagon attack was seized by Memphis police in 2005 and later traded to a gun dealer; the gun used in the Jan. 4 courthouse shooting in Las Vegas as sold by a judge's order and the proceeds given to the Memphis-area sheriff's office. Neither weapon was sold by the Memphis law enforcement agencies directly to the men who later used them to shoot officers.

In both cases, the weapons first went to licensed gun dealers, but later came into the hands of men who were legally barred from possessing them: one a convicted felon; the other mentally ill.

The history of the two guns in the recent attacks was described by officials from multiple law enforcement agencies on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss details of the investigations. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives provided reports on the gun traces to the investigating agencies, but is barred from publicly disclosing the results.

At the Pentagon, gunman John Patrick Bedell carried two 9 mm handguns, one of them a Ruger.

Law enforcement officials say Bedell, a man with a history of severe psychiatric problems, had been sent a letter by California authorities Jan. 10 telling him he was prohibited from buying a gun because of his mental history.

Nineteen days later, the officials say, Bedell bought the Ruger at a gun show in Las Vegas. Such a sale by a private individual does not require the kind of background check that would have stopped Bedell's purchase.

Mike Campbell, an ATF spokesman in Washington, would not confirm the details. He would only say Bedell "appears to have purchased the gun from a private seller."

The gun already had changed hands among gun dealers in Georgia and Pennsylvania by the time Bedell bought it. Officer Karen Rudolph, a Memphis police spokeswoman, said her department traded the weapon to a dealer in 2008 for a different gun that was better for police work.

The Ruger had sat in Memphis police storage for years at that point, after being confiscated from a convicted felon at a 2005 traffic stop.

The trail of the gun used at the Las Vegas federal courthouse is older and harder to pin down. Johnny Lee Wicks, an elderly man enraged over cuts to his Social Security benefits, opened fire with the shotgun at the security entrance to the courthouse. He killed one officer, Stanley Cooper, and wounded another.

Wicks, like Bedell at the Pentagon, was killed by officers' return fire.

Before that courthouse attack, what records exist suggest officers in Memphis confiscated that gun in 1998.

A judge in Memphis ordered the sale of the shotgun as part of a criminal case, and the proceeds of that sale went to the Shelby County Sheriff's Office, confirmed sheriff's spokesman Steve Shular.

He said the gun dealer who bought it later sold the weapon to a dealer in Nevada. It is not clear how Wicks got the shotgun.

Rich Wyatt, a former police chief in Alma, Colo., who now operates a gun store — and who has bought weapons from police agencies — defended the practice of police selling guns.

"Maybe if they put the money they made selling the guns into training those officers better, they'd be better off," said Wyatt. "Nobody ever, ever questions selling a car that was used in a crime. I am sad that officers were shot, but I don't care where the guns came from. To say we need to chase guns is not the issue, we need to chase people."

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[zephyp]

And more from Fox on the "illegal guns" illegally gained by the "shooter"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589192,00.html

[GS78]

Yeah well I read a story about a 2005 cadillac SUV that was siezed during a drug bust, then it was sold at a police auction, and the new owner ran some guy over while driving drunk.........S.S.D.D. (sam sh*t different day)....

[GS78]

same. , not sam