earthquakes in divers places

[Sweetpea]

I can debate this issue dk, but I don't think this is the right forum.

Here's something I can say AMEN to...

[WildBill44]

If you wish to debate this, feel free to do it with one another because I KNOW what I believer and you nor no one else is going to convince me otherwise. Between Matthew, Paul's letter to the Thessalonians, Revelation and Daniel in the old Testament I have all the proof I need. The Bible warns also that in the end days there will be false teachers and many will be led astray as well as those who will claim the name of God but deny the power thereof. As for the very word "rapture", that particular English language word may not be in the original Bible, but the word translated as such meant "to catch away". More thoughts on it, we Christians are Christ's Ambassadors here on earth. If war is to be declared on a nation, or in this case the world, the first thing is to recall your Ambassadors from that place. Also, I use this analogy on the rapture: if you had a box that contained a mixture of sawdust or dirt and small metal pins or nails and you wanted to separate them, how would you do it? You could pour it all out and sit picking it apart piece by piece. But a faster and better way would be to simply pass a strong magnet over it. The metal objects would rise to meet the magnet and be "caught away", leaving the dirt and sawdust behind. Jesus is like that magnet, we are the pins, the world is the dirt.

I prefer to agree with Paul when he said, "I know whom I have believeth, and I am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day." I require no one to agree with me, but neither will I allow anyone to change what I believe. Jesus has given us a way to avoid the Tribulation and be with Him. It is comparable with being in a building that is on fire and is being consumed. It has a door plainly marked "Fire Escape", but YOU must make the conscious decision to go through that door. You can run into a corner at the other end of the building and deny that the door is there, and you will burn to death and die. The way out has been provided, but YOU have to avail youself of it, or die. It's the same with salvation of your soul....YOU must make the decision to accept or reject. No one can do it for you, but YOU MUST!

[zephyp]

I can debate this issue dk, but I don't think this is the right forum.

Here's something I can say AMEN to...

I would submit then that many other things we discuss already can also be discussed elsewhere...just my $0.02 for what its worth...

[GS78]

We wish you not to remain in ignorance, brothers, about those who sleep in death; you should not grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again; and so it will be for those who died as Christians; God will bring them to life with Jesus. For this we tell you as the Lord’s word: we who are left alive until the Lord comes shall not forestall those who have died; because at the word of command, at the sound of the archangel’s voice and God’s trumpet call, the Lord himself will descend from heaven; first the Christian dead will rise, then we who are left alive shall join them, caught up in clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:13–17, NEB.


This description is taken by rapture proponents to be descriptive of a secret coming of Christ, which will take Christians off to Heaven. But notice we are told that preceding this resurrection the trumpet of God is blown. What is that and when will it occur?
The Apostle Paul added more details when he wrote a letter to the Corinthian Church, located in a neighboring Greek city.

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed" (1 Corinthians 15:51–52). The specific supernatural trumpet that will be blown prior to the resurrection of the saints is dubbed "the last trumpet."
Does the Bible anywhere speak of a series of supernatural trumpet blasts? The answer is a resounding yes! Revelation 8:1–2


I am NOT trying to undermine your faith bill, by any means, a resounding NO! I am trying to show a truth of the scriptures that is often misunderstood.
Paul, In 1thesolonians 4 , is decribing what will happen at the last trumpet call ,not a rapture of the church.

[WildBill44]

What you are trying (unsuccessfully I might add) to do is present YOUR interpretation of scripture as "the truth" and what I and others believe as incorrect due to either our misunderstanding or ignorance of God's word. What you are saying is YOUR opinion, and we all know what opinions are like. Sorry GS78, but you haven't a chance of changing my mind. Satan himself couldn't, and you haven't a chance. You are welcome to interpret and believe what you want, as am I and others. I have been preaching the gospel for over thirty years now and am thoroughly grounded in my faith and beliefs.

[GS78]

What you are trying (unsuccessfully I might add) to do is present YOUR interpretation of scripture as "the truth" and what I and others believe as incorrect due to either our misunderstanding or ignorance of God's word. What you are saying is YOUR opinion, and we all know what opinions are like. Sorry GS78, but you haven't a chance of changing my mind. Satan himself couldn't, and you haven't a chance. You are welcome to interpret and believe what you want, as am I and others. I have been preaching the gospel for over thirty years now and am thoroughly grounded in my faith and beliefs.

If you are a preacher bill, than I would expect you to know the difference between trumpets and the seals.I will not post publicly on this thread anymore.

[GS78]

I can debate this issue dk, but I don't think this is the right forum.

Here's something I can say AMEN to...

well ok once more,.....and by popular request .......

[WildBill44]

I do indeed know the difference between seals and trumpets as well as the difference between prophets and false prophets and wolves in sheep's clothing. I have conducted more than one Bible study on the book of Revelation and am quite familiar with it as well as the other prophecies concerning the last days, the rapture, the tribulation, the Second Coming, the Millenial reign of Christ and the eternity we will spend in heaven with Jesus and our loved ones who have gone on before.

[GS78]

I do indeed know the difference between seals and trumpets as well as the difference between prophets and false prophets and wolves in sheep's clothing. I have conducted more than one Bible study on the book of Revelation and am quite familiar with it as well as the other prophecies concerning the last days, the rapture, the tribulation, the Second Coming, the Millenial reign of Christ and the eternity we will spend in heaven with Jesus and our loved ones who have gone on before.

gone on before?....
Scripture reveals that the saints will inherit the earth and "all things"—the universe (Revelation 21:7; Romans 8:32)! But that inheritance will not be given until the resurrection! The Bible clearly shows that the dead remain dead until the resurrection. The idea that people at death go immediately to heaven or hell is based on the pagan doctrine of the immortal soul, which is not in your Bible, but which came in to professing Christianity as it expanded throughout the Roman Empire and many former pagans brought their old doctrines into their new churches.

[zephyp]

I do indeed know the difference between seals and trumpets as well as the difference between prophets and false prophets and wolves in sheep's clothing. I have conducted more than one Bible study on the book of Revelation and am quite familiar with it as well as the other prophecies concerning the last days, the rapture, the tribulation, the Second Coming, the Millenial reign of Christ and the eternity we will spend in heaven with Jesus and our loved ones who have gone on before.

gone on before?....
Scripture reveals that the saints will inherit the earth and "all things"—the universe (Revelation 21:7; Romans 8:32)! But that inheritance will not be given until the resurrection! The Bible clearly shows that the dead remain dead until the resurrection. The idea that people at death go immediately to heaven or hell is based on the pagan doctrine of the immortal soul, which is not in your Bible, but which came in to professing Christianity as it expanded throughout the Roman Empire and many former pagans brought their old doctrines into their new churches.

Indeed. Please refer to the Great White Throne of Judgement Revelation 20:11-15...

Regarding pagan introductions, I think one of the biggest was/is the desecration of the Sabbath - traditionally held on Sunday...but it should be on another day...Sunday...google days of the week...sun day...sun worship day...

[GS78]

I do indeed know the difference between seals and trumpets as well as the difference between prophets and false prophets and wolves in sheep's clothing. I have conducted more than one Bible study on the book of Revelation and am quite familiar with it as well as the other prophecies concerning the last days, the rapture, the tribulation, the Second Coming, the Millenial reign of Christ and the eternity we will spend in heaven with Jesus and our loved ones who have gone on before.

gone on before?....
Scripture reveals that the saints will inherit the earth and "all things"—the universe (Revelation 21:7; Romans 8:32)! But that inheritance will not be given until the resurrection! The Bible clearly shows that the dead remain dead until the resurrection. The idea that people at death go immediately to heaven or hell is based on the pagan doctrine of the immortal soul, which is not in your Bible, but which came in to professing Christianity as it expanded throughout the Roman Empire and many former pagans brought their old doctrines into their new churches.

Indeed. Please refer to the Great White Throne of Judgement Revelation 20:11-15...

Regarding pagan introductions, I think one of the biggest was/is the desecration of the Sabbath - traditionally held on Sunday...but it should be on another day...Sunday...google days of the week...sun day...sun worship day...

You are correct. Also look at easter and christmas, but to be fair, the jews do the same things, following traditions of men more than true holy days.

[gatorbait]

I'm simply a mortal man and can't declare what is Truth here. I do know that the discussion led me to flash on the 1930s and 1940s in my pre-Army childhood and youth at the University (southern) Baptist Church where we didn't know the details of "Truth." Those were for God to reveal in his own infinite span of time. We understood what we believed.

But I remembered what follows here and Googled a bit, coming up with a facsimile of our little congregation that's good enough to give me a lumpy throat. You might enjoy hearing it, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmc3sIDa3DY

[zephyp]

I'm simply a mortal man and can't declare what is Truth here. I do know that the discussion led me to flash on the 1930s and 1940s in my pre-Army childhood and youth at the University (southern) Baptist Church where we didn't know the details of "Truth." Those were for God to reveal in his own infinite span of time. We understood what we believed.

But I remembered what follows here and Googled a bit, coming up with a facsimile of our little congregation that's good enough to give me a lumpy throat. You might enjoy hearing it, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmc3sIDa3DY

Hey brother, maybe we'll get to stand next to each other over there...we got a long way to go but that is our destination and goal...to be there when our names are called.

[moss20]

TAIPEI - An earthquake of magnitude 6.4 shook Taiwan and stopped transit early on Thursday, but there were no immediate reports of casualties or major damage, officials said.

[zephyp]

and its going to get worse...

[moss20]

You got that right!

[GS78]

6.4? that aint so bad....

[moss20]

Earthquake in Turkey

The Kandilli seismology center said the 6.0-magnitude quake hit at 4:32 a.m. (0232 GMT, 9 p.m. EST Sunday) near the village of Basyurt in a remote, sparsely populated area of Elazig province. The region is 340 miles (550 kilometers) east of Ankara, the capital.

Does anyone see a pattern?

[zephyp]

Indeed. I see a Matthew Chapter 24 pattern.

I read an article today about all the earthquakes spaced so close together. A scientist summed it by saying "the world is not coming to an end"...seriously.

Some moron commented that with global warming - here it comes - that the atmospheric pressure is so disturbed that it causes a shift in geothermal energy thus causing all these earthquakes.

I honestly cannot - simply cannot - believe that people - educated enough to use a computer and the internet - can come up with this stuff. You just cant make it up. Its a wonder their heart beats on it own and they continue to breathe when they sleep...

[zephyp]

6.6 quake this day in Tokyo...

So, within pretty much a month there has been several major quakes

Haiti
Chile
7.2 aftershock in Chile last week
Taiwan
Turkey
Tokyo