Whats the chance?

[GS78]

What is the chance that the healthcare bill is a joke?


A very bad joke, a huge distraction designed to do one thing, implement new taxes?

Now in light of the possible defeat of a Mass wannabe Senator, the dems are proclaiming " We can pass this with 51 votes" http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... Ch9c&pos=9


How about this for tin foil;


They know this bill will be struck down by the Supreme court. They know it will take several years to be struck down by the court. They know they will gain huge amounts of favour for "trying" to get free healthcare for all......they will get billions of dollars in new taxes from all. They will excuse labor unions from any of the new taxes....http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/u ... IxXAm37DOM

at least until 2018 a full two years after obama leaves office(if re-elected)(of course his re-election looks promising in that he has already bought those votes with taxpayer "stimulus mad money). The new taxes for this "healthscare bill" will go into effect immediately,while any so-called free healthcare benefits wont go into effect for at LEAST 2 more years , and coincidently after his re-election in 2012.What if all this crap is just smoke and mirrors? How could they not know, that as soon as it is written and signed it will be legally challenged on so many different points? How can they believe it will stand while certain groups are excused from the fines and fees solely because they voted for Democrats, while others who didn't will be forced to pay the share of the excused? Maybe someone cooked a pizza on my tinfoil hat last nite, but this looks very fishy to me.

[zephyp]

You bring up a valid question and no I dont think this is tin-foil hat material. obama isnt stupid and this could indeed be a ploy. On the other hand, government run health care has been the holy grail of the liberals for decades. I think many of them are pushing it to have that feather in their cap and to be able to say in their stump campaign speech "my actions saved countless American lives..."

[GS78]

well, even if I am close to being right, and the supremes knock it down after several years....they can still use it in stump speeches " I tried to give you all FREE HEALTHCARE, but the evil republicans took it away from you!!!"

[Rumson]

Depending on the political leanings of the Supreme Court at the time, it wouldn't be struck down.

One more liberal judge and the original intent and writings of the Constitution is out the window. Doesn't matter if they swore to uphold it or not.

The leftists have gone beyond liberalism.

[Rumson]

Here, just came across this article at AT that describes what has happened to liberalism.

We are not be governed by Liberals at the moment, we are governed by something far worse. The Supreme Court is next to fall past Liberalism.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/ ... _dead.html

[zephyp]

So what do we call them then? Leftards maybe?

[Glock27Bill]

I agree that the intent is to overwhelm us with radical programs, any one of which would have disastrous effects on America. Too many balls to keep our eyes on (like no Copenhagen bill but a SCOTUS ruling that gives the EPA unprecedented power over our economy and society).

My doctor referred to Obama as The Manchurian Candidate. I have to agree.

Remember the Democratic Convention where Pelosi said "I hereby move that we suspend the rules"?

Then honest citizens who pay their own way to protest this radical movement are called "tea baggers" and "astroturf," while unions and others who are bussed in to protests are "grass roots."

Then when questioned about the Constitutionality of the health care bill, she replies "are you serious?"

The collusion between these people and the press is killing our country. And what really worries me is that (for all their faults) only FOX is there to get out a differing viewpoint. Single point of failure...one is none.

[zephyp]

I agree that the intent is to overwhelm us with radical programs, any one of which would have disastrous effects on America. Too many balls to keep our eyes on (like no Copenhagen bill but a SCOTUS ruling that gives the EPA unprecedented power over our economy and society).

My doctor referred to Obama as The Manchurian Candidate. I have to agree.

Remember the Democratic Convention where Pelosi said "I hereby move that we suspend the rules"?

Then honest citizens who pay their own way to protest this radical movement are called "tea baggers" and "astroturf," while unions and others who are bussed in to protests are "grass roots."

Then when questioned about the Constitutionality of the health care bill, she replies "are you serious?"

The collusion between these people and the press is killing our country. And what really worries me is that (for all their faults) only FOX is there to get out a differing viewpoint. Single point of failure...one is none.

Merely some of the facts that show our government does not care, is not listening, and will stoop to insulting Americans in an effort to push leftist policies through. I find it amazing that obama and other democrats are now saying "hey, we better focus on jobs as priority 1." Well, for me its too late. A whole year has been wasted and you've done nothing but let the job situation get much worse while you fiddle farted around with health care "reform" (a joke) and cap and trade (another joke). You wouldnt listen when you had the power who's to say you will listen in the future.

[GS78]

I agree that the intent is to overwhelm us with radical programs, any one of which would have disastrous effects on America. Too many balls to keep our eyes on (like no Copenhagen bill but a SCOTUS ruling that gives the EPA unprecedented power over our economy and society).

My doctor referred to Obama as The Manchurian Candidate. I have to agree.

Remember the Democratic Convention where Pelosi said "I hereby move that we suspend the rules"?

Then honest citizens who pay their own way to protest this radical movement are called "tea baggers" and "astroturf," while unions and others who are bussed in to protests are "grass roots."

Then when questioned about the Constitutionality of the health care bill, she replies "are you serious?"

The collusion between these people and the press is killing our country. And what really worries me is that (for all their faults) only FOX is there to get out a differing viewpoint. Single point of failure...one is none.

Merely some of the facts that show our government does not care, is not listening, and will stoop to insulting Americans in an effort to push leftist policies through. I find it amazing that obama and other democrats are now saying "hey, we better focus on jobs as priority 1." Well, for me its too late. A whole year has been wasted and you've done nothing but let the job situation get much worse while you fiddle farted around with health care "reform" (a joke) and cap and trade (another joke). You wouldnt listen when you had the power who's to say you will listen in the future.

well they can say whatever they want, remember it was anita dunn, spokeperson for the obamacommies that boasted that during the campaign"we were successful because we controlled every word spoken to the outside press, and the media and people only heard what we wanted them to hear..."(maybe not exact quote but close enough,Ill look for the exact one later), all you need to do is read some of saul alinsky's "rules for radicals" and you can watch step by step what this group of anti-capitolists are up to. This economy is by design. Unemployment at 17%(closer to the real number when you factor in all the people who are no longer eligible for unemployment because they have exhausted all their benefits) is one way to get the population so damn disgusted with daily lives that they(common man) will scream to government to 'change' to anything......

" even socialism has to better than this!!!"


I know some will say "time for him to get more foil" but I have read that sh*T, Its in there....and its not just obama, its clinton too, she actually called saul alinsky one of her idols growing up.... Its so many of obama's administrative picks......the man who influenced obama growing up was a communist. No, its not that this government doesn';t care or is not listening, its that they have more "work to do" to get us to a point of no return.....and they will push even harder now, nancy said so...

[zephyp]

If you read the back cover of Rules for Radicals you find two people listed there in the reviews: obama and hillary...thats a clue...

[GS78]

well here is our president obama talking with george stepopotomus from abc yesterday and when asked if the democrats are out of touch? obammie says " we have been so busy over the last year , umm, you know, getting things done, that we havent spent nearly enough time , um you know, talking to the american people and um, telling them what their core values are....."???????? I just heard him say that in a clip on the news this morning. He made almost a thousand speeches last year. He has gotten nothing "done" as far as I can see. Execpt to leave absolutely no doubt that George Bush in fact is the Devil, and the reason for every ill that plagues man.... What an ass*ole this moron really is. I know ..... and I'll say it right now. I have respect for the office of President, but not this President.

[zephyp]

Yes and all the democrats including obama acknowledge yesterday "its about jobs stupid" and then what does the messiah do today? Announce a crap load of garbage to control banks. Thanks for tanking the stock market - again - mr messiah.