Carrying in vehicle

wally626 · Post by **wally626** » Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:01:16

The deceptive nature clause is for things like belt buckle guns and the like. It is clearly visible and not concealed in that case but it is deceptive enough that a person would not immediately identify it as a gun. Having the gun hidden by the seat belt falls into a different category.

cigarmanva · Post by **cigarmanva** » Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:28:30

is va a must notify state? I know in PA I don't have to tell the LEO that i'm carrying when stopped

Post by **allingeneral** » Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:43:37

No, Virginia is not a must notify state. However, I have heard (but don't have anything with which to back it up) that one of the first things that an LEO sees when running a driver's license is the fact that they have a concealed handgun permit.

Post by **zephyp** » Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:18:13

wally626 wrote:The deceptive nature clause is for things like belt buckle guns and the like. It is clearly visible and not concealed in that case but it is deceptive enough that a person would not immediately identify it as a gun. Having the gun hidden by the seat belt falls into a different category.

cigarmanva · Post by **cigarmanva** » Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:01:31

allingeneral wrote:No, Virginia is not a must notify state. However, I have heard (but don't have anything with which to back it up) that one of the first things that an LEO sees when running a driver's license is the fact that they have a concealed handgun permit.

thanks for the info

glad I was able to find this place

ProShooter · Post by **ProShooter** » Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:18:58

wally626 wrote: Having the gun hidden by the seat belt falls into a different category.

If your seatbelt covers your gun, you just need a bigger gun!

Post by **zephyp** » Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:20:21

ProShooter wrote:
wally626 wrote: Having the gun hidden by the seat belt falls into a different category.
If your seatbelt covers your gun, you just need a bigger gun!

I want one of them special holsters so I can carry on top of my head.

CoryB · Post by **CoryB** » Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:19:13

allingeneral wrote:No, Virginia is not a must notify state. However, I have heard (but don't have anything with which to back it up) that one of the first things that an LEO sees when running a driver's license is the fact that they have a concealed handgun permit.

Right, but he won't be able to run your driver's license until he's approached the car and interacted with you at least once.

ProShooter · Post by **ProShooter** » Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:56:43

CoryB wrote:
allingeneral wrote:No, Virginia is not a must notify state. However, I have heard (but don't have anything with which to back it up) that one of the first things that an LEO sees when running a driver's license is the fact that they have a concealed handgun permit.
Right, but he won't be able to run your driver's license until he's approached the car and interacted with you at least once.

If you are the registered owner, there's an option on the computer to run the DL of the RO.

josh30 · Post by **josh30** » Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:49:31

dang! i was thinking at the time i got my CHP, that it was a free-for-all. there is soooooooo much red tape involved in having one. Heck, i dont even conceal or carry anymore. its just not worth it. a pissy LEO or lawyer and youre screwed big time. i dont know about yall, but im NOT jail material at all. i have heard so many horror stories regarding the subject that its terrifying. just like everything else, there is so much gray area. no such thing as black and white anymore. im really glad i ran across this website. great info regardless.

Vahunter · Post by **Vahunter** » Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:20:41

josh30 wrote:dang! i was thinking at the time i got my CHP, that it was a free-for-all. there is soooooooo much red tape involved in having one. Heck, i dont even conceal or carry anymore. its just not worth it. a pissy LEO or lawyer and youre screwed big time. i dont know about yall, but im NOT jail material at all. i have heard so many horror stories regarding the subject that its terrifying. just like everything else, there is so much gray area. no such thing as black and white anymore. im really glad i ran across this website. great info regardless.

From the way it sounds you must live in The Peoples Republic Of Northern Virginia. Not much red tape involved having a chp as long as you use a little common sense. Oh and welcome

45XDC · Post by **45XDC** » Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:56:06

allingeneral wrote:No, Virginia is not a must notify state. However, I have heard (but don't have anything with which to back it up) that one of the first things that an LEO sees when running a driver's license is the fact that they have a concealed handgun permit.

( In Hampton Roads) As soon as a LEO ask dispatch to run a plate they inform the Officer if the registered vehicle owner has a CHP. I have heard this conversation numerous times while listening to my scanner. Dispatch also provides them with warrant info as required. I assume the LEO can gain the same info if he runs the plates or drivers licence himself, provided his cruiser is capable.

Everett113 · Post by **Everett113** » Sun, 13 Dec 2009 23:58:48

I have "unfortunatly" been pulled over for a few minor traffic laws. I have never been asked anything about being armed. I live by the don't tell unless you have to rule, and never offer or omit to anything either.

IN A WORLD OF WOLVES AND SHEEP......I WILL BE A SHEEPDOG

Riana · Post by **Riana** » Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:14:57

allingeneral wrote:No, Virginia is not a must notify state. However, I have heard (but don't have anything with which to back it up) that one of the first things that an LEO sees when running a driver's license is the fact that they have a concealed handgun permit.

I've heard the same. I know I'm not REQUIRED to notify, but if I get pulled over and the officer doesn't ask right off the bat, I'll probably tell him I'm carrying if only to eliminate the surprise factor when I lean over to get my paperwork out of the glove box (which will most certainly reveal my Ladysmith, even if I'm concealing).

The last thing I want to do is lean over for my paperwork, and be looking down the officer's barrel when I sit back up...

novasig226r · Post by **novasig226r** » Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:38:39

I love these discussion forums!

This thread demonstrates, very clearly in my opinion, just how much legal wrangling one might go through when a firearm is involved. Just a simple case of carrying a legal firearm, by a law-abiding citizen, in a legal fashion can be interpreted by so many people in so many ways.

* the citizens around you
* the police who might interact with you
* the prosecutor who might try your case
* the judge and jury
* the media
* the people on this forum
* the anti-guns crowd and the pro-gun crowd
* your spouse / your kids

The biggest ones on the list, to me, are the members of the legal system (LEO, judge, prosecutor, and jury). There is so much wiggle room in the wording of the laws that you could very well wind up in jail because someone in the chain pushed the "common observation" issue to the extreme.

A similar "risk" arises when you need to visit a prohibited zone. Say you're headed to the post office(a big gun-free zone as we know). You take your sidearm off and place it in the gun safe you had installed in the car. Then the police show up as you're headed on your way in. The conversation goes like this.

"911 received a call about someone with a firearm."
"I was putting it in my gun box."

18-2.282 A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm ... in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another ... of being shot or injured.

How many sheeple out there would have fear induced just by seeing a gun and believe they might be shot? "I saw that gun and was so terrified. I thought for sure I would be dead. You just never know about people!" If you were, honest to God, just putting it in the gun safe the prosecutor could still try and say you "held" your gun, and this sheeple "reasonably" was fearful of "being shot". Screwed...

alby · Post by **alby** » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:42:16

novasig226r wrote:
18-2.282 A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm ... in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another ... of being shot or injured.
How many sheeple out there would have fear induced just by seeing a gun and believe they might be shot? "I saw that gun and was so terrified. I thought for sure I would be dead. You just never know about people!" If you were, honest to God, just putting it in the gun safe the prosecutor could still try and say you "held" your gun, and this sheeple "reasonably" was fearful of "being shot". Screwed...

You make a good case. Although many stars would have to line up for that event to take place,
but odds aside, it is still possible.

You need 1 Person to file a complaint. You then need an officer who could care less about the
events and rather arrest and let the Atty. Office deal with it. Then have a Commonwealth Atty.
who is on a holy mission to stick it to ever gun wielding case they get. And last, but not least,
a Jury who is Anti-Gun to the core...

Cause all the Commonwealth Attorney needs to prove his case under 18-2.282A, is a witness to
say they saw John Doe "brandishing" a firearm that was not holstered. Then its up to the Jury to
decide if that act "reasonably induce fear in the mind of another ". Since you cannot quantify fear,
its then left up to the Jury to decide if that event meets their own definition of fear. It could just
be the sight of a gun that induces fear or maybe the barrel of a gun pointed at you.

You just never know these days...

LFS · Post by **LFS** » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:07:40

Well, the key word in that scenario is "reasonable". If the person reporting you to the police for brandishing stood around looking at you while on their cell phone, you could poke a hole in their story about being fearful. If they ran away screaming "he's got a gun!" it would be more believable.

Post by **OakRidgeStars** » Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:13:39

Remember this thread?. This is a perfect example of what can happen when someone, regardless of age, cries "GUN"

http://vagunforum.net/post24602.html

SamAbbe · Post by **SamAbbe** » Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:22:56

What's the most comfortable way to carry in a vehicle? I currently carry either a small or large pistol (depending on clothing) in a right side IWB holster. I've tried moving them around the whole right side front and back (2-6 o'clock?) and just can't find anything comfortable.

Firm believer in keeping in concealed until 0.2 seconds before I'm forced to use it (thank's to John Murphy @ FPF classes) but willing to try something different for the long drives.

Post by **OakRidgeStars** » Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:50:12

You didn't say what brand of IWB holster you're using, or if it's more than one, but I recommend the Super-Tuck IWB from Crossbreed Holsters. It's the only IWB holster I've ever worn that doesn't gouge me when I'm sitting down.

http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/

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