Good question, but in truth...

[Reverenddel]

... I really don't know.

Friend of mine from Lebanon, Saad. He loves America, I mean REALLY EFFIN' LOVES AMERICA! Rejects all things un-American.

He looks at me and ask "My friend, what will it take for the people of this country to rise up, and end all of this craziness? In my country, we would have taken up arms years ago."

I pondered, and all I could come up with "Brother. I have no idea."

Does anyone have a theory of what would REALLY be required for people to take up arms, patrol the streets, and quell the insanity?

Because I ain't got a clue.

[WRW]

Depends. To which craziness was he referring?

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[MarcSpaz]

I think the citizens of America are taking up arms and patrolling the streets every day. They keep the criminal and the government in-check as much as we can without full-blown war.

As far as full blow war goes, regardless of the crime or the government, too many people have too much to lose. A huge number of people would need to be oppressed to the point where they are hungry and have nothing left to lose.

OR, there needs to be a sudden snap of action on mass scale against a large enough group of people that even those not involved are going to be willing to take-up arms. That would be something like a sitting President refusing to leave office and scuttling the Constitution. Implementation of martial law and instituting a legitimate police state via using the military against the people of the nation.

Those are the only two things I see from my prospective. I think we would be more prone to see a race war or a war between ethnic and religious groups before we see Americans take up arms against the government.

[Reverenddel]

I think you're correct in the assessment of we have too much to lose.

But if there were small skirmishes that caused the citizens to rise up like they did in LA, and MS during Katrina... I think it would be swept under the rug media wise.

You do not want to shake the establishments faith that they "control" us.

[dorminWS]

Government is boiling the frog. If they raise the heat too far too fast, the frog will hop. The fatter the frog, the shorter the hop (and longer delayed).

[MarcSpaz]

It's funny that you mentioned Katrina. Its tragic, but civility, law and order collapsed in that crisis. There was a huge problem with crime and the local PD abandoned their post (for lack of a better term) because they and their families were also victims of the situation. There was one NG unit that was disarming people and basically running a muck. That wasn't the norm though.

[SHMIV]

Compare current time to 1776. In 1776, people were acutely aware of the world around them. There was a different sense of morality and civility. People had coherent, face to face conversations with each other. The government head was on a completely different continent.

Today, people are only acutely aware of their immediate feelings. What counts for morality is a disgrace, and civility is fading fast. No one talks to each other, anymore; most communication takes place over a government monitored internet (how many bells you reckon this thread has set off?). The governing head is on this continent, in a world more rapidly traveled.

Another thing; modern Americans are conditioned to refrain from doing for themselves. Big Daddy Government is supposed to provide us with college educations, and health care, and other "freebies". It's sad, really.

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[kelu]

I often ask myself the same question. So far, I found as causes the fluoride, the huge rate of pain medication and decades of full bellies, that make people think that tomorrow will be ok too.

[Snakester]

I spent half a day Saturday and most of yesterday working on my ammo stash....Just saying !

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[OakRidgeStars]

My guess is that you were transferring lead from your stash to the downrange berm.

[Snakester]

Yep , that too Jay . We need to do much more very soon !

[sos24]

I think it will take something very drastic to cause people as a whole to take up arms.

This country is so large that it is easy to feel separated from something going on in another area of the county. People see it as why should I risk my freedom in X state to fight injustice in y state that is really impacting me.

Also, I think there are people that might be willing to act, but are unwilling to be the start. If a large enough group took action and others saw some success then they might join, but many feel it isn't yet worth risking it all for something that is going to fail anyway. Vicious circle - Action won't succeed because there aren't enough people taking action and more people aren't taking action because they see people's action failing.

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[Viper21]

......scuttling the Constitution. Implementation of martial law and instituting a legitimate police state via using the military against the people of the nation.

Happened in Baltimore 1861. Lincoln sent troops in to Baltimore, arrested the Mayor, the Chief of Police, Legislators, & a couple newspaper editors without charges. Then set up Martial Law & prevented Maryland from holding another vote on secession. One of the arrested, filed a case which was heard by the supreme court, "ex parte Merryman", which declared the actions of Lincoln & the US Army as unconstitutional. Lincoln, & the Army ignored the ruling, & he remained imprisoned, as well as plenty others.

The most ironic, & interesting portion of the story imo, was the arrest of Frank Key Howard. Editor of the Baltimore journal, The Daily Exhchange.... He had wrote some editorials that spoke negatively about Lincoln, & his administrations actions. He too was arrested without cause, without charges. (so much for the 1st Amend)Howard was confined at Ft. McHenry.... ironically, the same Ft McHenry that was his grandfather's (Francis Scott Key), inspiration for the Star Spangled Banner. Howard spent 14 months imprisoned. After finally being released, he wrote a book about being a political prisoner without cause. "14 Months in American Bastile". When this book was published in 1863.... his publishers were then arrested...!!

No American President has thrown the constitution in the trash more than Lincoln did. However, many regard him today as our greatest President.

[MarcSpaz]

I would not say the greatest... He went to war with the Southern States and refused to let them succeed from the Union because the southern states had more land and more ability to make money (ability to grow cotton and linen). It would have too much negative impact on Union revenue and power. Then he wrapped a civil war in human rights.

It drives me nuts when people tell me I'm wrong, even when I direct them to supporting document written by Lincoln, Grant and Sherman. Some of the first slaves were freed in 63, before the war even ended, in exchange for fighting on behalf of the Southern States... nothing to do with the Emancipation Proclamation. A small number of slaves were released in 65, but varying forms of legal slavery continued until 1942, 79 years AFTER the Civil War ended.

The ward ended because the Land was taken back... not because slavery was finally abolished.

Not everything Lincoln did was bad, obviously... but I would hardly say he was the best president we had. I am glad that the country stayed in tact due to the power and influence of the Nation, but it clearly was not good for the people domestically, based on the current state of social affairs in America.

[kelu]

I have remembered this thread when I learned today a piece of US history.
Here it is, for those (like me) who did not knew it. Quite an eye opener.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/worl ... rtial-law/

[skeeterss0]

and then there is this:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of ... her-events

[Ironbear]

and then there is this:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of ... her-events

What has this to do with anything? All it does is lay out responsibilities for the prediction, detection, alert, and protection as regards space weather.

[skeeterss0]

basically gives gov. reason to declare martial law.

[MarcSpaz]

What I find funny about that EO is, the brightest minds in earth weather can't predict rain accurately for tomorrow. Shoot, I've had NOAA say there was a zero chance of rain, while it was actually raining. If they can't get real-time earth weather right, what the Heck makes anyone think they are going to be able to predict space weather events that will impact earth?

[AlanM]

My favorite author (see my sig.) in Starship Troopers predicted these days and described the result.
The book used to be on the reading lists of all four military academies.
I can understand why it's been pulled from a couple.