Example - CC versus OC

[Swampman]

A man in Newport News was robbed and had his gun stolen by two crooks. He was OC'ing.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/02 ... m=Firewire

CC is my choice. I have often thought of being robbed of my firearm while OC'ing. Not gonna happen if I can prevent it.

[OakRidgeStars]

Carrying a handgun for self defense should make a person safer not make them a target of thieves and other miscreants. That's why I only carry concealed.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.

[WVUBeta1904]

Yes indeed.

It's a real concern for thievery; it also makes you the very first target for those looking to do harm with a firearm.

[jdonovan]

It's a real concern for thievery; it also makes you the very first target for those looking to do harm with a firearm.

Or the very first person they want to wait for to leave they area before they start their thuggery. Criminals might not be 'smart' but they are generally good at being risk adverse... or they don't stay free criminals very long.

[MarcSpaz]

So, here is my take... Not everyone has a CHP nor does everyone want one. Its a personal choice that people make. There is no real right or wrong, only opinion and personal preference.

Also, this guy needs to work on his situational awareness. If people are walking behind me and gaining distance, I either change my path or move out of the main path and come to a complete stop. Then I keep an eye on them as they walk by. CC/OC/No C, you need to pay attention.

And what's with The Blaze? There is a description of the perps with detail to clothing and haircut, but no mention of the race. I can't believe that was a coincidence or mistake.

[Viper21]

So, here is my take... Not everyone has a CHP nor does everyone want one. Its a personal choice that people make. There is no real right or wrong, only opinion and personal preference.

Also, this guy needs to work on his situational awareness. If people are walking behind me and gaining distance, I either change my path or move out of the main path and come to a complete stop. Then I keep an eye on them as they walk by. CC/OC/No C, you need to pay attention.

And what's with The Blaze? There is a description of the perps with detail to clothing and haircut, but no mention of the race. I can't believe that was a coincidence or mistake.

Like everyone else, The Blaze is afraid to be labeled racist The whole article was short on info imo. Never mentioned if the guys who took his gun already had a gun, or if they just took his. If so, wow....what a puss. YOU have a gun, someone without a gun demands your gun, & you let em take it..?! Doesn't sound right to me.

Also.... The Blaze must've heard ya Marc..... they've updated the story with ....... "The Daily Press reported that both men were described as black males." shocker....

[WVUBeta1904]

Or the very first person they want to wait for to leave they area before they start their thuggery. Criminals might not be 'smart' but they are generally good at being risk adverse... or they don't stay free criminals very long.

You certainly raise a good point, jdonovan.

Here, though, you're trusting that they have the intent to let you leave, which they may not.

There are a lot of crazies out there..

[WVUBeta1904]

Also, this guy needs to work on his situational awareness.

This is a huge part of walking around anywhere. Keep track of your surroundings, people!

[Viper21]

Carrying a handgun for self defense should make a person safer not make them a target of thieves and other miscreants. That's why I only carry concealed.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.

Agreed. Not that I see it as a big problem where I live but, the tactical advantage of CC cannot be denied. Right or wrong, people who OC stand out. Hey, I support their right to OC. Have absolutely zero problem with someone who wants to but, you can't help but notice someone with a sidearm. If I'm somewhere where something is going to go down, I don't want to be noticed. I would rather blend, evaluate, & then react when it's to my advantage. Because in any situation that is life or death, I want every advantage I can possibly get.

I personally see someone OC'n in my area probably once a month or so. In the fall, probably see at least one a week. However, I personally know multiple people that CC everyday, everywhere.

[MarcSpaz]

...However, I personally know multiple people that CC everyday, everywhere.

Unfortunately, I work in DC and I am not a LEO, so a gun is a no-go at work. However, when I am off the clock, my pistol is on my hip. If I need to go somewhere after work, I always stop at home and get my sidearm. So I can have a weapon on my commute, I am considering trying to find someplace with secure storage so I can drop my weapon before I cross into DC and pick it up on the way out.

All weekend long, if I'm awake and not in the shower, its on my hip; even if I am home watching TV.

[OakRidgeStars]

And what's with The Blaze? There is a description of the perps with detail to clothing and haircut, but no mention of the race. I can't believe that was a coincidence or mistake.

The Blaze is just using the available information from the local news story they're working off. Besides, we all know that the absence of race mentioned in the a news story just means that the perp wasn't a white guy.

[MarcSpaz]

LOL...

[mamabearCali]

Retention.....get some.......retension.......get some!

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[MarcSpaz]

Good point Christie. My OC holster is a hard side hooded retention holster.

To let you know how well they work, I had a friend ask me if he could unholster my weapon. I said "sure... go for it." I lifted my arms out of the way and with me letting him try, he couldn't figure out how to unholster my pistol. It was actually pretty funny and eye-opening.

[mamabearCali]

On my OC holster you can't get it open unless you know precisely how. Pull as hard as you like.....you are going to pick me up by th belt before you get that gun out.

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[SHMIV]

I have to agree; bad situational awareness. It doesn't matter what you carry or how you carry it. If you are oblivious to your surroundings, they've got you. The pistol is merely a tool, not a personal talisman for warding off bad spirits.

Incidentally, when I first started carrying, OC was the only option that I could afford. I couldn't afford to take a class, couldn't afford the gas to get to a class, and couldn't afford the license fee. I borrowed the $120 that it cost me to buy a used, single action, .22 revolver (which I paid off over 3 pay periods), and put it in a cheap Walmart holster.

@Jdonovan- some criminals are good at being risk averse, some aren't. I have known a lot of criminals; from my personal experience, the risk averse ones were NOT the ones that committed armed robberies, or any other crimes that involved firearms. The bold and brazen ones don't give much thought to risk. Those are the same ones that get high right before visiting their PO for a drug test. The guys that give thought to risk sell drugs, but only to people they know. They shoplift, but only from places known to have poor security. They commit burglary, but only from houses that are known to be empty and have no alarm system.

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[Viper21]

...However, I personally know multiple people that CC everyday, everywhere.

Unfortunately, I work in DC and I am not a LEO, so a gun is a no-go at work. However, when I am off the clock, my pistol is on my hip. If I need to go somewhere after work, I always stop at home and get my sidearm. So I can have a weapon on my commute, I am considering trying to find someplace with secure storage so I can drop my weapon before I cross into DC and pick it up on the way out.

All weekend long, if I'm awake and not in the shower, its on my hip; even if I am home watching TV.

Yeah, double edged sword working in DC. Totally understand. I won't even drive my truck through DC. Too high a probability that there is a round in it somewhere.

Too funny on the watching tv strapped..... Im not always strapped while in my house but, certainly within arms reach 90% of the time. Fortunately, my wife is a weapons nut herself. In addition to carrying a .357, she probably has at least 4-5 knives, a stun gun, & pepper spray LOL She's got the temperament to use any or all of em too....

[MarcSpaz]

LOL. Good deal. Keeping a knife handy is always a good idea.

Yea, I'm always worried about loose brass in the Jeep. I haven't had a traffic stop since 1997, so I hope to keep that trend going. Then it won't be an issue.

[Reverenddel]

"The pistol is merely a tool, not a personal talisman for warding off bad spirits."-SHMIV...

THIS... IN SPADES!

What I see at the gunshow are people talking about carrying, who needed to carry themselves away from the buffet bar, and into a gym.

If you're not in any semblance of physical shape to retain the weapon? Don't. Period.

I've seen Vets in chairs that I wouldn't challenge to ANYTHING, but I've seen guys who are younger than me get winded walking through the parking lot to the gunshow.

It's not just holsters.

[MarcSpaz]

"The pistol is merely a tool, not a personal talisman for warding off bad spirits."-SHMIV...

THIS... IN SPADES!

I disagree. I have seen my pistol scare off many a Liberal/Progressive. I haven't seen any spirits worse than those.

What I see at the gunshow are people talking about carrying, who needed to carry themselves away from the buffet bar, and into a gym.

You and I have been friends for awhile. So, I'll pretend you didn't write that. Not sure how its relevant either.

If you're not in any semblance of physical shape to retain the weapon? Don't. Period.

I don't disagree. However, that is basically reserved to the infirm or people with problems with their hands, which would prevent them from holding a weapon. (i.e. extreme arthritis, etc.)

I've seen Vets in chairs that I wouldn't challenge to ANYTHING, but I've seen guys who are younger than me get winded walking through the parking lot to the gunshow.

It's not just holsters.

I have to say I don't see this supporting your argument either. I am 200 lbs over weight because of my disabilities. I have exercise induced asthma, osteoarthritis, and cardiovascular disease. I can't fight to defend myself due to my health. If I get attacked by someone who is in good shape or even decent shape, there is a gross disparity of force and I am in immediate jeopardy of gross bodily harm or loss of life. Why should I not be afforded to ability to level the playing field or even gain the upper hand by possessing a firearm to defend myself?