Virginia to end CCW reciprocity with 24 states

[smltooner]

Can someone tell me how many crimes and/or murders have been committed by out of state CHL/CHP holders??
For that matter, how many VA CHP holders have been found guilty of a violent crime?

This was my first thought also.

[mamabearCali]

Yes I think there is nothing left to do but to confound the AG by getting a Utah permit. I think proshooter has a utah class. We will have to work that into the budget.

[OakRidgeStars]

Yep, I've been patting myself on the back today for getting my Utah permit. That's gonna come in handy.

[ProShooter]

Yes I think there is nothing left to do but to confound the AG by getting a Utah permit. I think proshooter has a utah class. We will have to work that into the budget.

We do have monthly Utah classes. Jan. 9 is the next one, and our phone and email have exploded today with all of the registrations and questions.

[mamabearCali]

You might have to increase to bi monthly! Well some good will come out of this.

[FiremanBob]

This is an outrage. But under state law, it appears they have the legal power as Marc quoted the statute above.

There was already a bill, prefiled in November, to enact nationwide, unconditional reciprocity. Initial patrons are Delegates Ware and Cole. It is HB12 and you can read it all here: http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604 ... 1+ful+HB12

What can you do?

1. Organize groups to write to Ware and Cole. They should receive thousands of messages of support - and money, whatever you can.
2. Organize groups to get your local delegate and senator to support HB12. Whether Tea Party, gun clubs, local Republican party, Oathkeepers, whatever organized assembly of like-minded citizens you can create, make sure that thousands of voices speak up on this issue.
3. It is especially important to organize communication with Democrat delegates and senators who are not completely corrupt party functionaries. HB12 may pass easily, but it will be vetoed. We need to get it passed by a veto-proof majority and make sure that majority holds.
4. Writing to McAwful will not do anything. You might as well write to Obama. They not only don't care, they will laugh in your face.

Organized action is the only way to solve this problem. VGOF members who are cynical about and detached from politics - this is what you reap when you avoid the fight.

[Mindflayer]

I got to PA regularly for work. This move puts ME into danger. As a minority accosted by white power folks on my travels, does this I can call AG Herring a racist?

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[mamabearCali]

Please do. For once it would be a good use of the "race card."

[MarcSpaz]

I sent the following email to the following POC's of Attorney General Herring’s office...

Cynthia E. Hudson
(804) 786-2435
chudson@oag.state.va.us

Kevin O’Holleran
(804) 786-5533
koholleran@oag.state.va.us

Brittany Anderson
(804) 786-3808
banderson@oag.state.va.us

------------------ Message ------------------

I am writing today to express my deep concern for Attorney General Mark Herring’s decision to revoke Concealed Handgun Permit and Concealed Weapon Permit reciprocity with half of the United States. As a constituent and a citizen of both the Common Wealth and the United States, I feel it is imperative that the voice of the people be heard.

After careful review of the Code of Virginia, I do realize that §18.2-308.014 does authorize Colonel Flaherty and AG Mark Herring to collaborate to determine whether states meet the requirements to qualify for reciprocity. However, after review of the requirements for resident and non-resident qualifications for permitting in the Common Wealth of Virginia and comparing our statutes to multiple other states that are listed to have their reciprocity revoked, I have found that several state do in fact statutorily meet… and in some cases exceed… what is required by Virginia law to obtain a permit. This fact in and of itself could completely nullify the legitimacy of the actions of the AG and the Superintendent, as the Code is very specific as to what the qualifiers are. This begs the question, what is the motive of this action?

Though I am not calling in representation of anyone but myself, I am a member of several organizations which plan to document these concerns and bring these concerns to the General Assembly. I will be working to petition the House and Senate to draft a Bill to repeal and replace §18.2-308.014 based on the current code violating the Virginia Constitution and the US Constitution with regard to “keep and bear arms” as well as the US Constitution and the “Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution” which states, "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

To make a more personal comment, I don’t understand why our government insists on taking action to disarm law abiding citizens, when it is a known fact that criminals, by nature, ignore the law. Starting in 1933, the US had a murder rate of 4.6 per 100,000. As gun laws at the state and federal level increased, the homicide rate increased until it peaked at over 10 per 100,000 in the late 80’s and early 90’s. That is a 118% increase in murder as laws passed to disarm citizens. After federal bans expired, more and more states repealed their restrictions and became more firearm friendly, private ownership of firearms has skyrocketed and the murder rate drop dramatically. So dramatically in fact, that it drop to the exact same murder rate that we had in 1933; 4.6 per 100,000. After 82 years and the passing over 23,000 new firearm laws nation-wide, we have a net zero. Nothing has been accomplished. Not one life has been saved.

As a quick side note, it’s also a proven statistical fact that that firearms owners with conceal carry permits are less likely to commit crimes than police officers, and more specifically murder.

It is imperative that the House and Senate take back their delegated power to legislate, so they can honor and represent the people who elected them to do so and prevent one or two individuals from taking unilateral action that does not reflect the will of the people. On these same grounds, I would urge both Colonel Flaherty and AG Mark Herring to reconsider their position. I hope I can count on you to voice my concerns to AG Herring.

I greatly Appreciate your time.

Sincerely
MarcSpaz

[Reverenddel]

I posted this in Facebook:

The Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Virginia won the election by 163 votes. Not really a mandate. More like "Eh, you scrapped by".

Today, the Asshat General decided to join the Carpetbagger in the Governor's Mansion in pushing for a "Anti-gun friendly" measure.

The Governor (spits on floor) passed an Executive Order 50 outlawing the open-carrying of firearms on some State owned property, and establishes a statewide tip line to report gun crimes. Uh-huh...

If you've never been to the General Assembly, and heard the negative comments from the Upper Echelon of the Virginia State Police about gun owners, gun ownership, and carrying of firearms. It's AMAZING these people have jobs in law enforcement the way they talk about people who statistically commit LESS CRIME than COPS!

The AG today? He decided that 26 states that in some cases have TIGHTER requirements than ourselves shouldn't carry reciprocity (We recognize their permits, they ours).

After fuming. I started thinking.

The POS in the Governor's office makes open carrying illegal in ABC Stores, and DMV. Then the AG makes certain states removed from reciprocity, thereby removing us from theirs.

I looked into a few. LO-AND BEHOLD! Some of those States, do not in fact require residents of OTHER states to hold a permit in their home state to get a PERMIT IN THEIR STATE!

And with the advent of a tip line for anonymous tips?

Yeah, It appears that the asshat general, and carpetbagger in chief might be planning on coming after HOME PERMITS for residents of VA by combing through LOOPHOLES in the LAW!

I wouldn't trust those two to clean a State Reststop much less do ANYTHING that would constitute "Protecting my interest".

https://www.change.org/p/terry-mcauliff ... e_petition

[Quigley]

This is complete and total BS! I'm more angry today than I've been in years! We must do something


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[RO73]

I sent the following email to the following POC's of Attorney General Herring’s office...

Cynthia E. Hudson
(804) 786-2435
chudson@oag.state.va.us

Kevin O’Holleran
(804) 786-5533
koholleran@oag.state.va.us

Brittany Anderson
(804) 786-3808
banderson@oag.state.va.us

------------------ Message ------------------

I am writing today to express my deep concern for Attorney General Mark Herring’s decision to revoke Concealed Handgun Permit and Concealed Weapon Permit reciprocity with half of the United States. As a constituent and a citizen of both the Common Wealth and the United States, I feel it is imperative that the voice of the people be heard.

After careful review of the Code of Virginia, I do realize that §18.2-308.014 does authorize Colonel Flaherty and AG Mark Herring to collaborate to determine whether states meet the requirements to qualify for reciprocity. However, after review of the requirements for resident and non-resident qualifications for permitting in the Common Wealth of Virginia and comparing our statutes to multiple other states that are listed to have their reciprocity revoked, I have found that several state do in fact statutorily meet… and in some cases exceed… what is required by Virginia law to obtain a permit. This fact in and of itself could completely nullify the legitimacy of the actions of the AG and the Superintendent, as the Code is very specific as to what the qualifiers are. This begs the question, what is the motive of this action?

Though I am not calling in representation of anyone but myself, I am a member of several organizations which plan to document these concerns and bring these concerns to the General Assembly. I will be working to petition the House and Senate to draft a Bill to repeal and replace §18.2-308.014 based on the current code violating the Virginia Constitution and the US Constitution with regard to “keep and bear arms” as well as the US Constitution and the “Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution” which states, "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

To make a more personal comment, I don’t understand why our government insists on taking action to disarm law abiding citizens, when it is a known fact that criminals, by nature, ignore the law. Starting in 1933, the US had a murder rate of 4.6 per 100,000. As gun laws at the state and federal level increased, the homicide rate increased until it peaked at over 10 per 100,000 in the late 80’s and early 90’s. That is a 118% increase in murder as laws passed to disarm citizens. After federal bans expired, more and more states repealed their restrictions and became more firearm friendly, private ownership of firearms has skyrocketed and the murder rate drop dramatically. So dramatically in fact, that it drop to the exact same murder rate that we had in 1933; 4.6 per 100,000. After 82 years and the passing over 23,000 new firearm laws nation-wide, we have a net zero. Nothing has been accomplished. Not one life has been saved.

As a quick side note, it’s also a proven statistical fact that that firearms owners with conceal carry permits are less likely to commit crimes than police officers, and more specifically murder.

It is imperative that the House and Senate take back their delegated power to legislate, so they can honor and represent the people who elected them to do so and prevent one or two individuals from taking unilateral action that does not reflect the will of the people. On these same grounds, I would urge both Colonel Flaherty and AG Mark Herring to reconsider their position. I hope I can count on you to voice my concerns to AG Herring.

I greatly Appreciate your time.

Sincerely
MarcSpaz

Very well written and to the point.


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[scott9050]

http://m.wdbj7.com/news/local/virginia- ... s/37083294

This article lists the states as well as some who will no longer be recognizing Virginia. Luckily I'm still covered for those states with Utah, Pennsylvania and Florida licenses.

I moved here from the northeast in May. Talking to a neighbor the other day, I said in 20 more years, VA will be like NY. He looked like he wanted to choke me.

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Looking like you may be right. We've trended from Red to Purple in a very short time. Won't be long before most of the politicians are wearing Blue shirts.

I am already abandoning the state come March 1st and moving to West Virginia. This is more proof than gun control seeks to punish only legal gun owners and has nothing to do with crime.

[Grendel69]

Mindflayer,
Not sure where you go in PA but some counties will issue you a non resident ccw on the spot if you have any permit they recognize... Lackawanna, Erie, Centre and Lycoming.

I went to Lackawanna county building with my NY permit and fifteen minutes later walked out with a PA permit.

There are classes you can take that will combine Utah and Florida which will make life a lot easier. Unfortunately neither cover SC, I was happy VA would cover that. Utah and Florida combined cover like 35 states with lots of overlap.

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[Mindflayer]

Grendel, thanks for that info. I have to go to Philly quite often, and they are not gun-friendly. I'll have to check the other counties.

[navywolf]

Here's a poll in the Richmond Times. Currently the "No" votes are up 90%
http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/g ... e946e.html

[MNMGoneShooting]

Got this link from my delegate who is gathering comments for future legislation and debate:

http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/L/View ... ageid=7379
Click on the "In Progress" near the middle of the page to submit your comment.

My write up there:
---------------------------------
Something is Aloof.... How is this protecting us?

So - this will stop "drug dealers, criminals with misdemeanors in violence" and the like? HOW? I am not aware of any drug dealers that purposely follow the law and get themselves a conceal-permit and undergo the background checks.

AND how are the states failing the audit?? Thanks to this action, I'm not having to spend hundreds of dollars to apply for the states I'm impacted in that I travel to frequently. Florida being one of those, their application asks the very same questions Virginia does, requires background check/fingerprinting, requires proof of compentency with firearm, etc. So where is the failure in the audit for Florida?

Something smells here and smells like New York and Bloomberg. This has nothing to do with what the AG is stating to the media - in a galliant effort to protect Virginians. My tax dollars to the state has just been utilized to further strip MY RIGHT away from me and restrict the populace.

I am fed up with these politicians who constantly betray their oaths to their constituents and their constitution.

The lies and deceit must stop.

I did not risk my life serving my country only to be shackled with a politician's deceitful move to gain better footing towards his future career goals.

ENOUGH.

[cwfunrider]

Got this link from my delegate who is gathering comments for future legislation and debate:

http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/L/View ... ageid=7379
Click on the "In Progress" near the middle of the page to submit your comment.

My write up there:
---------------------------------
Something is Aloof.... How is this protecting us?

So - this will stop "drug dealers, criminals with misdemeanors in violence" and the like? HOW? I am not aware of any drug dealers that purposely follow the law and get themselves a conceal-permit and undergo the background checks.

AND how are the states failing the audit?? Thanks to this action, I'm not having to spend hundreds of dollars to apply for the states I'm impacted in that I travel to frequently. Florida being one of those, their application asks the very same questions Virginia does, requires background check/fingerprinting, requires proof of compentency with firearm, etc. So where is the failure in the audit for Florida?

Something smells here and smells like New York and Bloomberg. This has nothing to do with what the AG is stating to the media - in a galliant effort to protect Virginians. My tax dollars to the state has just been utilized to further strip MY RIGHT away from me and restrict the populace.

I am fed up with these politicians who constantly betray their oaths to their constituents and their constitution.

The lies and deceit must stop.

I did not risk my life serving my country only to be shackled with a politician's deceitful move to gain better footing towards his future career goals.

ENOUGH.

Comment added. Thanks for the link.

[MarcSpaz]

Thanks for the link! I did not see one comment in support of this action.

[kelu]

Can the police chief be fired if can be proven that he messed the audit results? I mean, if other states have same or tougher questionnaires, someone has to pay.