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We are getting closer and closer

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All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party - Mao Tse Tung
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We have 535 members of Congress and the POTUS making up rules and laws for 310,000,000+ people. We should be functioning as a Democratic Republic, but our representatives regularly lose their way. Fortunately, we still hold the power because Americans are armed and can vote these bums out of office when they screw up. Over the Pond... they don't have any power, only permission to obey.

The people of our country continually need to remind the Congress that "We" are the government and they work for us. We need to continue to preserve Freedom be reminding the politicians that the "Supreme Law of The Land", AKA the Constitution, doesn't grant the people rights; it officially recognizes them. As long as we breathe, we will take breaths as free men.

And just so no one can twist my words, I am not, nor would I ever advocate the overthrow of the US Government. The People ARE the government, of which I love you all. We simply need to be sure our brothers and sisters on Capital Hill continue to act in the best interest of ALL of the people, honor our traditions and abide by our Constitution. If they don't, I do strongly advocate that we object and fire them at the soonest possible moment. If they refuse to leave, I'm sure there are plenty of good, God fearing men that will be happy to show them the door.
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Cicero once said of Ancient Rome "The Republic falls when people realize they can place people in power who can provide more to them."

We're pushing, it happens occasionally (Dave Brat kicking Cantor's azz was an example), but it's RARE! I cannot understand how they can put term limits on the President for fear of becoming "too powerful", but none on Congress, or even a way to remove a SCOTUS judge!

It's illogical!

The Founding Fathers expected better, and only that people who would serve as Cincinnatus did, but unfortunately....we have a greedy buncha dillweeds to contend with currently.
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No single thing would improve our government imo than, term limits on congress.
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Term limits and pay reduction.

I would be inclined to support term limits on any elected office, as well as limiting the total number of years one may spend holding elective offices.

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I thought when I read the title that it was talking about this:

http://www.cultofmac.com/322933/court-k ... -a-secret/

That and the internet kill switch, no communication if something goes down.
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SHMIV wrote:Term limits and pay reduction.

I would be inclined to support term limits on any elected office, as well as limiting the total number of years one may spend holding elective offices.

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Most elected officials don't earn much in their "office salary". How they get rich is via bribe money and payoffs know as "Campaigning Contributions". Why do you think Obama was so blatantly campaigning for the last 9 years? Shoot... with the exception of taking a few minutes to really F' things up in our country, his entire first 4 years in office was spent campaigning for his second election and going on golf vacations.

He didn't "work" to "earn" his elected office salary because it is nothing compared to the power from bribes an payoffs know as campaigning contributions. And when your biggest contributor the The Communist Party of America, you get what we have today. That is the norm for all politicians. Its just that members of congress are better at keeping it quite as they think of more creative laws to pass to make it legal to take massive amounts of bribe money.
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scott9050 wrote:I thought when I read the title that it was talking about this:

http://www.cultofmac.com/322933/court-k ... -a-secret/

That and the internet kill switch, no communication if something goes down.
Shoot... that's not new. The US Government made sure that the cellular service was in their control, just like household phone service, while it was in it infancy. The "kill switch" so to speak is been in place since long before DHS ever existed.

I worked for USPS and had a government issued cell phone on 9/11/01. Cell service was jammed for days, but my cell phone worked great. And because my gov cell phone had priority, if I called your privately owned cell phone, the call would go through fine.

Since I have been with DHS (about 8.5 year now) there have been several times when something has occurred that would flood the cellular service, no one's phone would work but government service.

It needs to be that way if you thinks about it. let me give you an example...

Most military combat coordination happens over a radio. When out troops go into battle they are using digital trunked and encrypted RF in either LOS, propagated or satellite platforms. Their comms are completely secure and nothing can really interfere with those comms (for the most part). And you can't just talk whenever you want too. There is a radio net operator that controls and prioritizes traffic so more urgent comms, like emergency air strike coordinates to support troops in play, can occur before something like comms for logistics for a TP delivery to an FOB.

Well state-side, the DOD, DOJ and DHS make all their communications via a land or cell phone. The same way a Net Control Operator manages the RF traffic for the DOD in combat, the phone and internet service providers have voluntarily agreed to enter into very lucrative contracts with the government to do the same thing with voice and data in the US. They prioritize the phone and internet traffic based on its point of origin.

Its not to have "big brother" control of you making a phone call or emailing your friends and family. Rather, its to ensure life isn't lost in a critical situation because the guy who knows a "plane flew into a building on purpose and another is coming" can't get a call through to the DOD for air and ground support to stop the next plane, or because the caller couldn't get an email through with the proper information that is too complex to convey over the phone in a timely manner.

Now, can stuff like that be abused? Of course it can. Any good thing can be abused. That is why we need to demand transparency. We don't need to know how it works or the inner most details. We only need to know that it exists, who is in control and who are the watch dogs looking out for the people and making sure its not abused.
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So USPS phones are critical, but my cell phone for relatives, 911, and to even possibly report those evil dudes is...irrelevant. Got it. I'm not so sure it "needs" to be that way....

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I think either you don't understand what I am saying or you are intentionally trying to make it appear that I have said something I did not. Assuming its the first and not the latter, let me try again, but in a different manner.

There are circuits that are dedicated for the Government to use that have been provisioned to meet the capacity planing needs of the government. This has been done under contract. There has been enough resources paid for and put aside for successful communications for the government, regardless of what is happening in the private sector. The only exception to that is if a government prioritized line tries to call on non-government line. In most cases, that will still work.

The prioritized phone service provided to the government does not... I repeat, does not stop you from calling anyone, especially 911. If you you can't make a personal call during a crisis, it is because the available circuits provided by the service provider for private citizens are overloaded. There is a limit to every system.

And to answer your question more directly... USPS provides logistical support for every government agency in American. Their phone and email traffic has to take priority to support the rest of the government agencies if needed.

So yes, the phone calls and emails from the Postal Service employee's government issued systems will take priority over you calling your grandma. Sorry. Just the way it is. If you find that fact unfair... negotiate a new contract with the phone company to get priority calling. They offer the service to anyone with deep enough pockets to pay for the infrastructure expansion needed to provide it.
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I completely understand what you said. I just don't think the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau or the Office of Thrift Supervision should be given extra bandwidth as it were...these folks aren't any *more* special than the folks that pay their bill every month. I also think the fed gov relying on cell phone comms as a means of meaningful communication in times of need is ill conceived at best, but that's just my opinion. I have one of those fed gov cellular devices though,so no need to worry about me getting in touch with granny.

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hahaha I here ya. When I was an AEC, we spent years refining alternate global comms, but use what you can while you can was the mindset of all at the planing table. If its there, why not use it.
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That does not mean sh1t. When we revolt 26 years ago we were against the most powerful secret police in all Europe. We did not had any comms. Not even working phones. Internet was not existing, and we only had isolated Z80 computers, with cassette tapes.
Word came from people traveling by trains, and telling other cities what happen. Word spread like fire, and almost as fast as today social media.
When it starts, if it is has only one nucleus, they may have a chance to contain it. Otherwise, it's unstoppable.
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Christopher Titus doesn't like firearms. But he did say "Um... ya' got guns, they got guns. Think it should be a difficult assignment considering we're talking about the same government that cannot even build a WEBSITE!"

Uh-huh...Right! :roll:
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