Couple of questions from a newcomer to VA

[cdb]

Hi guys and gals. I'm currently in MD but I'll be closing on property in Buckingham County real soon now and I'd like to get going on the CHP process as soon as I can. I've searched around but haven't found answers to a few questions.

Thought someone here might know what I'll need for proof of residency when applying? Will I need to get a VA DL first, or can I show something else like a copy of the deed or utility bills to meet the requirement?

Also, I think I've read that fingerprints are no longer required when applying for a resident permit state-wide, but some websites still list that as a requirement. What's the current rules for that?

Last thing, while I'll certainly be looking for some VA specific carry training soon, I see that participation in organized shooting competition satisfies the competency requirement. I have an NRA ranking in High Power that might do the job, but I don't know what the court would need to see as proof?

Thanks in advance for any answers, and I'm looking forward to getting down there with some other sane folks and away from MD!

[MarcSpaz]

Great post! That last sentence is what I express to many of my like-minded friends still over there.

Let me see what links I can find to help answer some of those questions. I'm near 100% sure that all the questions are answered in the code of VA. I need about 15 or 20 minutes for my "I'm not a lawyer" response. LoL

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[MarcSpaz]

Okay my friend. Here are some useful links for you. I will quote the sections that may answer your questions. And remember, I'm not an attorney, but I play one on the internet.

General Info...

https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp50 ... 8.2-308.01

Thought someone here might know what I'll need for proof of residency when applying? Will I need to get a VA DL first, or can I show something else like a copy of the deed or utility bills to meet the requirement?

https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp50 ... 8.2-308.02

There shall be no requirement regarding the length of time an applicant has been a resident or domiciliary of the county or city. The application shall be made under oath before a notary or other person qualified to take oaths...

The code reads to me that, you make the statement under oath and it does not require proof other than your statement. Due to being that there is no minimum time for you to be a resident, literally the very second you become a resident, you can apply. There is a good chance that the only proof you would have at that time is your good word.

When I completed my application, I was not asked for any proof of residency.

Also, I think I've read that fingerprints are no longer required when applying for a resident permit state-wide, but some websites still list that as a requirement. What's the current rules for that?

If you read the page for the actual code (second link provided), you will see there is no reference to needing finger prints.

Last thing, while I'll certainly be looking for some VA specific carry training soon, I see that participation in organized shooting competition satisfies the competency requirement. I have an NRA ranking in High Power that might do the job, but I don't know what the court would need to see as proof?

From the code...

B. The court shall require proof that the applicant has demonstrated competence with a handgun...

B.5. Presenting evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm

I am iffy on this one because part B of the code says "proof of competence with a handgun" is required. Then later sub-part B.5 says "equivalent experience with a firearm".

I would say that your ranking in the High Power Rifle competitive shooting league will be sufficient, but I would not be shocked if you get push back either.

I would talk to Jim or one of the staff at Proactive Shooters in the Richmond area. He can get you exactly what you need for good, reliable training. There are a couple internet sites you can buy a certificate of training on... I say buy and not earn, because the test requirements are a joke. My kid passed the online certificate training test when he was 8. Per the code, proof of competence never expires. At 8, he never fired a shot or even held a gun... but, when he is 21, hes good to go on his training requirement. LOL

http://proactiveshooters.com/

CHP application form...

http://www.vsp.state.va.us/downloads/SP ... 1-2013.pdf

Hope all this helps.

[cdb]

Definitely helps, appreciate it. Mostly answers it for me.

There is a good chance that the only proof you would have at that time is your good word. When I completed my application, I was not asked for any proof of residency.

Hah, I've definitely been in MD too long. The idea that the state would actually take your word for anything without requiring proof... the idea didn't even cross my mind.

If you read the page for the actual code (second link provided), you will see there is no reference to needing finger prints.

Ok, got it. I had read that counties and localities were able to require them independent from the state at one point, but wasn't sure if that changed. Looks like that is not allowed by the state code now.

I would say that your ranking in the High Power Rifle competitive shooting league will be sufficient, but I would not be shocked if you get push back either.

No harm in trying I suppose, and I'll post back up to let people know how it goes.

[MarcSpaz]

Cool!

BTW... the County Court Clerk I worked with was very helpful. Calling and asking about the HPR ranking may help confirm. Your application is adjudicated by a judge and its ultimately up to that person's determination as to if the VA Code and VA State Police requirements have been met. Often, the clerks have a good feeling for the judge.

Good luck.

[smltooner]

to the club.

[snatale42]

Welcome to VA man I know your pain I'm from MA, while it's not as bad as MD for the gun stuff there's still a lot of stupid stuff on the books. Enjoy freedom!