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Making my first Kydex holster

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Anyone on this forum worked with Kydex for holsters?

I am going to make my first Kydex holster for my M&P .40. I already have 4 holsters but none are exactly what I want.

Each one has its benefits and features but I still find features I want that I only find with others. And most are quite expensive.

This guy Rezarf has a great write up on making a Kydex holster for a 1911 and I will use it as a guide.

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=288408

The holster he makes seems quite simple. He fabricates a 2 piece OWB. I'm going to attempt a wrap-around 1 piece IWB with a single wide belt clip.

This image shows how the molding press is constructed using MDF (Medium Density Fiberboard) boards, hinges and foam.

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A comment made in his write-up was that when the lid is closed it has a tendency to push the Kydex toward the hinge. I think I will make the top section longer and put the 1' square at the very end. This would provide a bit more of a straight down motion when closing the lid on the Kydex and gun.

My first Kydex skin I've ordered - sure hope I don't mess it up.

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In another write-up the writer commented about the holster being 50-50. I assumed it to mean the foam was equal on both top and bottom. Sounds like putting more foam on top or bottom and adjusting the total compression could provide for the mating surfaces of a 2 piece to be offset. This would allow making the front of the holster (OWB design) to extend outward more than the back creating a flatter surface (less definition) that contacts the body.

Between the two sources of instructions there are several good ideas that I would implement - heating the foam pads (lay them on cookie cooling racks across a partially open oven door), pre-heating the cookie sheet to hold the Kydex when warming and even pre-heat the gun before molding.

I have ordered the Kydex, foam and some wide single clips. I should be able to obtain the rest through local resources - rivets, eyelets, normal garage tools, etc.

I'll post my pics if anyone indicates an interest in my process and results. Looking forward to a new hobby. :)
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I can't help at all... but I am subscribing. This looks like something I would like to do too. I never really find exactly what I want.
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I don't know what the cost of Kydex is, but if the basic black is less expensive than the fancy pattern, then I would suggest that you order some of that, too.

Do a "test run " in basic black. That way, in the event that you make an error, it won't hurt so much. Also, if you find that your original design could use some tweaking, you won't have to feel like you "wasted " your good material.

Picking up new skills generally comes with learning curves, as I'm sure that you're aware. I find that playing around with a material that I don't care as much about helps me stay motivated and positive in the event of miscalculations.

Good luck; I'm interested in your progress. I've recently becoming interested in undertaking a similar project, myself. (One day, I will have time for projects)

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Oh, if you haven't done so, check YouTube for videos of Kydex projects. Likely to find some good tips and advice that way. Don't limit your search to just holsters; you might have an "aha moment " by watching someone do something completely different with Kydex.

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Yes, I've seen several YouTube videos and read many of the pictorial step-by-steps. The one I'm following mostly seems best for me.


Here is where I am at.

The foam is re-used as long as it lasts and able to form properly. I suspect after several jobs it will become distorted and need to be replaced.

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http://www.foamforyou.com/

Select Closed Cell in left column
Select Neoprene Regular

Order 1/4 sheet - 20X35X1" - this will be enough for a couple replacements
$19.95 + 14.95 shipping

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Kydex is $5-15 per 12X12 sheet - 1 sheet makes 1 regular holster with very little useable scrap
http://www.knifekits.com/vcom/product_i ... ts_id=5855

Shipping turned out to be $20.00 via USPS << better for us than Fedex or UPS.

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Thanks, ShotgunBlast for leading me to the Multiholsters for the clips.

The clip is very important to me. This is the main feature that I don't have in any of my other holsters.
I ordered 5 of the 1.5" wide @ $2.50/each. Shipping is free.

http://shop.multiholsters.com/DIY-Suppl ... ps_c27.htm

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I will make a single Magazine holder if there is enough scrap. It will work as IWB or OWB. Quite simple with one single large clip. This will be my guide. This one is two-tone. Not sure but looks like it is just molded together, held in place with the clip screws. Beautiful, isn't it!

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I'm really pretty pumped up about this. I haven't been able to get out to buy the MDF board due to the weather and our son took my truck for 18 days while his girlfriends is in the shop on repairs. My work shed (man cave) is not heated.

I have a full page of notes, reminders and ideas to work from. That's just me...I have this whole process in my mind before I start the first step. It has worked well so far :)
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YoungGunVA on this forum makes kydex holsters. He doesn't post much but he's a good dude. Made a holster for me that turned out great. Might be worth shooting him a PM.
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Hey for heating the foam try laying a heating pad in between the top and bottom foam pads. you might have to play around for the time it takes to get the foam up to temperature but it would be easier then putting it on the oven door. Just a thought.
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Thanks for the tips.

The heating pad is a great idea. I'll add it to my tips sheet. If they are attached to the board that may be the only way to heat them.

For heating the pads it was suggested to open the oven door part way then lay the pads over the opening. This idea was in one of the two processes I've saved. I thought I'd do that but add cookie cooling racks to keep them from sagging too much if that happens.

I have pm'ed YoungGunsVa for any advice.

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Most seem to be documenting the process for making the 2 piece holsters with clips outside the gun shell. I'm attempting the Taco design with the clip attached directly to the gun pocket.

One issue I am not able to find is how the spacing is accomplished for the attachment of the clip. It appears there would be a piece of wood/plastic placed and taped to the gun where the raised area is needed to attach the clip. This is to avoid the gun from contact with the screw/nuts of the clip.

If anyone should know or see something to verify I would appreciate the link or information. Thanks.

I don't need nearly this amount of raised area but appears to validate my thoughts:

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I make hybrid type (think Crossbreed) and OWB pancake style. Lots of good info on the YouTubes.

Knifekits.com is a great place to source materials.

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Don't have any shots of just the plain black OWB style. The Jack Skelton was a commissioned piece for a buddies wife.

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Thanks, Chris. I have an AlienGear Hybrid and it is by far the most comfortable...just more trouble to throw on to run to the store. So I use my DeSantis Soft-tuk for the quick trips out. It is a single clip IWB.

Still waiting for the weather to improve. We are having a heat wave today - up to 46°. :)

I need to get into my shed (man cave) and make my press.

Jack Skelton that's pretty cool! Did that accommodate a Laser?
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wittmeba wrote:Thanks, Chris. I have an AlienGear Hybrid and it is by far the most comfortable...just more trouble to throw on to run to the store. So I use my DeSantis Soft-tuk for the quick trips out. It is a single clip IWB.

Still waiting for the weather to improve. We are having a heat wave today - up to 46°. :)

I need to get into my shed (man cave) and make my press.

Jack Skelton that's pretty cool! Did that accommodate a Laser?
No. It was for a full size XDM 9mm.

Yeah my garage is my work shop and it has been to cold to work this winter. The Kydex cools to quickly to get a good press. I have a request for some mag holders but I am waiting for warmer weather.
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The gotnarcosis.com site where I post many images and information will close in the near future. I'll be looking for another site to host my stuff. Sorry :(
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I made my Pancake Press today. I really want to make a Taco Style holster first as that is what I need most. I have a nice Leather Gould GoldLine but usually CC and the weather is actually warming up...YEAH!

I have some materials for a Taco Style but need to hit Lowe's again.

I have completed the Kydex Pancake Press except for a long handle attached to the top to apply a bit of extra pressure while clamping. Just make it a little easier for a one-man show.

I looked at many versions online and this is what I came up with. I used 3/4" plywood for the top and base. I trimmed a 2X4 stud to fit for the (2 1" thick blocks) to fit for the foam I bought 1" and 1/2" thick foam as this is my theory.

If a normal "Taco" style compresses equally on top and bottom and that should be what you want.

When making a Pancake style, if I shift 1/2 of the top foam toward the bottom, I should have greater depth for detail on the bottom. This would allow me to make the piece toward the person have a little less definition for a smoother fit. I don't think I'd want to try to shift it all to one side as it may remove too much retention gained from both sides.

You can see in this image the coaster card placed in the middle of 2 1" pieces and the 2nd image is 1 1/2" on the bottom and 1/2" on the top. These are interchangeable as the pads are only attached with Industrial Velcro (3rd image).

50-50 foam top and bottom:
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25-75 foam top and bottom:
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Held in place with Velcro:
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I made this stand to preheat the gun. I believe it will help retain needed heat for a high definition molding process:
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I bought a big Pizza Pan at Walmart to use for heating the Kydex. It should hold a 12"x12" square of Kydex and it is thin to allow lots of heat to penetrate the Kydex. It was $3.82.
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I had intended to buy a cookie cooling rack to form into a Tent to hold the Kydex for heating/re-heating for the Taco style holsters but have not found a single rack in a store. Doesn't anyone make cookies any more?

Still just theory at the moment. The proof is yet to be seen.
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My sister makes cookies :)

If you have an outlet center near you (like Tanger Outlets, Prime Outlets, or Williamsburg Outlets ), those places usually have at least one store dedicated to cooking ware. I'd be surprised if you couldn't find a cookie rack, there.

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I think you're going to find you need more foam. I have 3" top and bottom for normal 2 sided holsters and use 3" bottom only for hybrids. Then again i have never done a taco type so it may work fine.

I like the stand for heating.

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cwfunrider - I don't know what your press/process looks like nor the type of foam you used. The stuff I have I got from Foam4You.com and is what was mentioned in another write-up of a fabricator. It is closed cell, neoprene, regular density - this item:
Quarter Sheet 20-1/2" x 35" x 1" $ 19.95 $ 14.75
http://www.foamforyou.com/neoprene.htm

I am unable to determine "coffeebum" spacing as I don't know the wood sizes and foam thickness but it appears to be 4" foam in the space from 2X4 on edge and 2 - 3/4" pieces of plywood where the hinges attach (est. 1.5 + .75 + .75 = 3"). I would have 3" foam in 2" space.

The presses you can buy online use what looks like 1" both sides and a pan like a waffle maker.

I have left over foam but I don't think I could close the top with more foam and a gun. I will tape up my gun with spacers, get my Kydex in the oven and see what happens. That's the only "real" way to learn :)
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Well, there is definitely a learning curve to making Kydex Holsters :)

I obtained some decent definition but not quite what I expected. I do know too that some of the definition is achieved from professional photographers and proper lighting which I am not.

Here are my first results.

The Pizza pan worked great! I do think I will still buy a couple cookie cooling racks formed into a tent for re-heating and see if these do any better for the general heating.

Spacers and sight tunnel.
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Gun on stand ready for prewarming and press. The sight tunnel was created by the piece of yard-art plastic tubing with the ends modified to fit the front and rear sight mountings. The wood piece under the trigger is about 1/8" thick - just enough to allow for a rubber spacer for retention adjustment if needed. The right side of the gun (not shown) has 2 rubber faucet washers taped to create space for nuts where the FOMI 2-screw clip will attach.
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Results:

Right side:
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Left side:
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My first comment is the foam is extremely dense. I couldn't get the press closed without standing on the press with the gun in place.

The sight tunnel was OK but the rear was not quite centered. It was off about 1/16" left - likely from standing and moving around.

The spacing for the retention screws/eyelets (haven't decided yet) was fine. Needs a a little heat to flatten.

The dimples I intended to provide spacing between the gun and Kydex didn't work out. I had them in the wrong location for a right handed right side draw with forward cant.


I believe I will reheat the Kydex and flatten the piece I've tried. I need the dimples in the right place to avoid scratching the gun and to make it sit properly when carried. I also need to straighten the sight tunnel.

I don't believe I will heat the gun again. It wasn't bad but I think it extended the cooling time and may have taken away from the definition.

I do believe the Pancake style would be a more simple process I want the Taco style first.

I also think a heat gun would be beneficial for fine-tuning the final product. It doesn't move without being heated.

Just need to sharpen my skills at getting the Kydex from the oven to the press, position properly with all pieces properly aligned. It is always fun to do anything with guns. :)
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Defiantly get a heat gun or a powerful hairdryer. They are useful in fine tuning and also if it gets too much definition and the retention is to tight (common) you can use the heat gun to loosen it up a bit.
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Have you considered an assortment of clamps? Might save you from having to stand on your press.

They make quick set/ quick release clamps. Were it I, I might use a large one to get the middle, one on each corner, and maybe place another in between each corner.

Unless, of course, it's just a matter of closing it tightly, then reopening it immediately. Then it probably wouldn't be worth the effort of all the clamps. If that's the case, I'd be more inclined to temporarily repurpose a drill press for clamping purposes, assuming that I had one.

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