Mental Health Issues Put 34,500 on New York’s No-Guns List

[riggs]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/nyreg ... -list.html

I don't even know where to begin with this.

[OakRidgeStars]

Not surprising really. After all, it's all about control.

[MarcSpaz]

Stuff like this is really hard to sort through.

In one hand, I believe everyone has a right to defend themselves, even criminals and crazy people. However I evolved to this mindset, only recently, and only after realizing that regardless of the laws, they will find a way to get weapons. The gun laws are useful at creating more criminals, not stopping crime.

Then, in the other hand, I have two family members that suffer from depression. I love them both dearly and would love to see both of them carry a gun for defense. Even though they both don't exhibit signs of being dangerous on the daily basis... every once in awhile (maybe about once a year) they freak out and at that moment become very violent. About 5 years ago one of them stabbed themselves with a hunting knife out of anger during an argument.

Even though they seem okay 99% of the time and I want them to be able to defend themselves, I sure as hell don't want a gun in either of there hands in the event that they have an "episode". That relative that stabbed themselves... would they have shot themselves or others if they had a gun instead of a knife? Pretty damn good possibility in my mind.

The problem is and always will be... do we regulate it as a family or do we let the State do it? Well, I don't like the State in my families business, but not everyone is willing or able to manage family members with mental health issues.

I have no idea what to do.

[thekinetic]

I've been to the bottom of the world, on my knees wanting to die, to the point where I had a knife to my throat trying to will my hands to cut. Though I've been to the very edges of madness and peered into the eyes of death I managed to come back, changed forever but wiser. I now have not only a sense of compassion for those who linger there at the end of their rope but first hand knowledge that it is up to the individual whether they let death take them or not. And there is nothing anyone can do to stop them.

And just for statistics sake it had nothing to do with my being gay, it had to do with my OCD. And also for statistics sake I came back and beat OCD without the use of medications or doctor's help.

[MarcSpaz]

And just for statistics sake it had nothing to do with my being gay, it had to do with my OCD. And also for statistics sake I came back and beat OCD without the use of medications or doctor's help.

Wait a minute! I missed something.... you're OCD?

[SHMIV]

@Marc: When I contemplate things like this, where I have some sort of emotional connection to the situation at hand, I consider how I would feel about it WITH OUT the emotional connection.

A great many things that should be handled by family have been taken over by government entities. Part of this, I suspect, has to do with the disintegration of the family. Families aren't families, anymore. Thus, the government must take the place. Which, of course, the government wants to do, anyway. But, the lack of family sure helps the process. Almost like it was planned that way...

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[MarcSpaz]

Families aren't families, anymore.

Never have there been truer words typed on this forum.

I have always felt that the lack of family structure leads to a lack of morality. Our nation of spineless PC leaders, afraid of offending anyone, forced American into accepting jaded women poisoning the younger generations into believing that they don't need a man in their life. And those same spineless leaders let lazy degenerate men get away with skirting their responsibility because making a man take care of his child and the mother of that child is somehow racist.

We need real leaders with faith, family and fortitude to take the reigns of this nation, stop rewarding people for having no desire to successfully contribute to the lives they create, and start rewarding people for being creative and constructive and contributing to the success of this nation.

Once this happens, I know with certainty that things like depression and manic behavior will only be diagnosed in people with true mental defect. I know that domestic violence for near 78 million Americans victims of wont be a way of life. I know that crime will drop tremendously.

But you know what... it will never happen. I have said it before and I'll say it again... happy, healthy, educated, independent people can not be controlled by their government. There needs to be chaos, and violence, and dependance on the State in order for the State to have power. The leaders will do whatever it takes to make sure the ruling class stays in power.

[Reverenddel]

Rome had these same ills during it's empire.... eventually splitting into two empires, and finally fading away after the barbarians came to the gates.

Europe feels superior to us, but they have WORSE problems than we do.

Sometimes being a couple oceans away makes me feel more secure.

[Kreutz]

The voices tell me it's good we left New York.

[MarcSpaz]

The voices tell me it's good we left New York.

Proof that not all psychotics are dangerous! LOL









For the big brother snoopers... that was called a joke. Kreutz is not psychotic and doesn't hear voices unless there are actual voices... just sayin'.

[mamabearCali]

I am glad to be on this side of the Mason-Dixon Line and on this side of Fredericksburg. Still too close to the insanity of DC for me.....but you gotta take what you can get.

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[thekinetic]

And just for statistics sake it had nothing to do with my being gay, it had to do with my OCD. And also for statistics sake I came back and beat OCD without the use of medications or doctor's help.

Wait a minute! I missed something.... you're OCD?

Ha yep...err used to be, about as bad as it can get. I had a compulsion for everything, EVERYTHING at the end. I really did want to die, I prayed to god every night that I wouldn't wake and then cursed the dawn when I awoke. It is a hell I wouldn't wish on anyone, not the scum of the earth or even the devil himself.

I now have a form of PTSD. I have nightmares every night, and wake up in a cold sweat every night. This would disturb some but not me because I still remember. And at every nightmare I laugh because all I'm thinking about is that damned OCD, what it is was like.

But you know I'm proof that crazy is not an excuse or reason why people kill. Even when I was going to commit suicide I had guns, strange I picked a knife huh? I did hear voices but wait I killed no one, and this is important seeing as how I was meat puppet of my own personal demon. There is a reason, because I won't kill, it's not in my nature. There are simply people that will or people that won't and that's all there is to it. And that is exactly what the grubbiment doesn't want to hear as they like to make people fearful that anyone could kill.

[Kreutz]

For the big brother snoopers... that was called a joke. Kreutz is not psychotic

Indeed. We had a meeting and concluded we prefer the term "sanity-challenged".

Jebediah (personality #3b) was in disagreement but he's a jackass none of us like anyway.

[seeknulfind]

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