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McDonald's will support minimum wage increase

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http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/mcdona ... -wage-hike

McD's CEO says the fast food chain will make it work. Well DUH! :doh: No one ever thought they'd close their doors, but prices will rise and employment rates at the fast food giant will suffer because of it. McDonald's will no longer be a place where career's start. They'll end there as well. Imagine, gold french fries on a gold chain after 20 years with the company.
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Here's the line that shows what manipulative BSers our "representatives" are:

"The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that raising the minimum wage could cost as many as half a million jobs, but raise 900,000 out of poverty. "

As to McD's CEO's comments, he is correct. Mickey will simply raise prices, as will all the other fast-food companies, because they all have the same cost structure. This will flow through in the general inflation rate as all prices rise. That's the short-term. McD's next move will be to install robots in the kitchen and self-serve kiosks in front for ordering, reducing their employment needs to the level of self-serve gas stations and airline check-ins.
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Yep, always be leary when big business is for a regulation because it usually means it's a form of protection. McDonald's has the economies of scale to further automation in their restaurants to reduce the costs of increased labor overhead but their smaller competitors do not and that's what they're banking on.

Everyone talks about climbing the corporate ladder, but teens especially are going to get left behind.

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Of course McDonald's has to address their non-existent comp sales for the last 7 months and the fact that people can't afford dollar menu items anymore is a telling sign of our "recovery" in action. Rising prices are usually a byproduct of increased labor costs, but they might have to absorb some of those cost increases until they get their store comps going again. If someone isn't buying a cheeseburger at $0.99, why are they going to buy it at $1.29?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-0 ... es-history

And in other fast food minimum wage news, the Carl's Jr CEO explains why nobody is hiring young people.
Five years of 2% average yearly GDP growth simply doesn't produce enough jobs to absorb the natural increase in the labor force, and over the past eight quarters GDP growth has averaged only 1.7%.

Nonetheless, various states and municipalities have increased their minimum wage, thereby increasing the cost of employing inexperienced workers.

ObamaCare gives businesses an incentive to either eliminate entry-level jobs or keep the workers' hours to under 30 a week.
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The question is... will minimum wage being raised MOTIVATE people out of poverty?

Probably not.

Making a paltry minimum wage motivated me to get the helloutta fast food, and do something DIFFERENT!

These people want careers outta "Would you like fries with that?"

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Simple logical experiment:

Since companies are not in the business of losing money, they must raise prices on goods & services to compensate for the increased cost of labor. Who will be hurt by the increased price of goods & services? .....Those without jobs, and those on fixed incomes. The wealthy can already afford it, and the working class will see no net change in spending power.
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McDonald's will have to be more efficient to survive. Locally we have a Sheetz that offers a better variety of food, a location that is as convenient as any McDonald's, uses touch screens to take the customer's order, has a staffing of 6 or so during the peak hours of the day versus 12 or more for most McDonald's and they sell a whole lot more than just hamburgers. Just compare McDonald's to Wendy's and their use of staffing combined with practices and you will see slower service, older food, 4 cash registers versus 1 and double the staff. I can get a Big Mac that has been sitting for 10-15 minutes or I can get a burger made to order, that is ready faster and fresher.

By the way, locally most businesses pay above minimum wage, if they didn't the turnover rate would 200+% a year. The company I work for is a major retailer, our wage increases are not based on a cost of living basis. It is based on retention. If we loose too many people during the year (in the company's eyes) we will get a bigger raise, if we don't loose enough, it is smaller.

What the clowns in D.C. don't understand is that raising the cost of doing business raises the price of products. It means if a family has a budget of spending say $20 a week on fast food and that gets them 2 adult meals and 2 kids meals, now that price goes up to say $25 That means the family goes from eating out 4 times a month to 3 times a month ($80 versus $75 is close enough). It wouldn't be just one family affected like that it would be a lot of them. Now, some business would either end up closing or reducing staffing due to lower demand. Not exactly what we need to get the economy to come roaring back.
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PhantomPhixer wrote:...... the working class will see no net change in spending power.
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Oh, but they will. increasing lower wages will push up higher wages as the higher wage earners seek to maintain their accustomed premium above the minimum. If you're making $10 or even $12 an hour now, are you going to be happy with that when you wake up one day and the minimum wage that they pay the high-school kid that mops the johns after school is $10.10 instead of $7.25? To the extent the higher wage earners demand and get the same percentage increases that the minimum wage earners got, higher wages will rise more than lower ones; and that is exactly what they (and particularly unions) will demand. That's why unions are so much in favor of increasing the minimum wage. And as these higher wages spread upward in the wage scale and are reflected in the cost of goods and services, inflation will in fact reduce the purchasing power and erode the standard of living of the working class. The working class spends a larger percentage of its income on things that a higher minimum wage will significantly impact. Premium and luxury goods are usually not produced by minimum wage workers, but much of the stuff Joe and Jenny Lunchbucket buy at WalMart or the Piggly Wiggly are (except when WalMart has had it made in China). The working class will not get hurt as badly as the poor, but they will definitely be hurt. As with increased taxes, there just aren't enough wealthy people to bear the entire burden of higher minimum wages; and unlike taxes, the wealthy can elect not to buy stuff and avoid much of the impact of higher wages.
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FiremanBob wrote:Here's the line that shows what manipulative BSers our "representatives" are:

"The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that raising the minimum wage could cost as many as half a million jobs, but raise 900,000 out of poverty. "

As to McD's CEO's comments, he is correct. Mickey will simply raise prices, as will all the other fast-food companies, because they all have the same cost structure. This will flow through in the general inflation rate as all prices rise. That's the short-term. McD's next move will be to install robots in the kitchen and self-serve kiosks in front for ordering, reducing their employment needs to the level of self-serve gas stations and airline check-ins.

It is also a way to run smaller chains out of business, something that McDonald's with declining sales and market share embraces.
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Why change the law,just give their employess big raises and keep on truckin


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dusterdude wrote:Why change the law,just give their employess big raises and keep on truckin
If McDonald's just raised their costs voluntarily without a mandatory increase, they would just hurt their own bottom line. Their voluntary act of kindness by raising their wages would not generate enough positive PR and get enough public support for them to naturally walk away from the competition to eat at McDonald's.

They need a government mandate so their competitors are forced to raise their costs too and subsequently not expand / shrink in size / go out of business / not even start a business.
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dorminWS wrote:
PhantomPhixer wrote:...... the working class will see no net change in spending power.
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...higher wages will rise more than lower ones....as these higher wages spread upward in the wage scale and are reflected in the cost of goods and services, inflation will in fact reduce the purchasing power and erode the standard of living of the working class....
My thought was that any short term purchasing power increase, or follow-on decrease as prices adjust themselves, would eventually result in a new equilibrium that is pretty much the same as the old equilibrium. The difference being, of course, that the jobless and retired slip further behind the curve. If inflation is the end result of 'monkeying with the system', then I agree with you.
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Things will always find their own level


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PhantomPhixer wrote: If inflation is the end result of 'monkeying with the system', then I agree with you.
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More money chasing the same amount of goods and services is the definition of inflation - and it is also the immediate result of a legislated increase in the minimum wage.
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Most entry level EMTs get ~$10/hr, Why work a job with as high risk for debilitating back injuries as EMS when you can flip burgers for the same pay?
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0ne5hot wrote:Most entry level EMTs get ~$10/hr, Why work a job with as high risk for debilitating back injuries as EMS when you can flip burgers for the same pay?
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My point, exactly.
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The cost of things... does it really have to do with minimum wage, or oil, or the gold standard?

The reason I ask? Inflation wise, gold, and oil were high in the 80's percentage wise, but I made a paltry $4 an hour, and had money for food, fuel, and clothes.

When I graduated high school, I was making $17k a year, and thought I was living the life! Rent was $200 a month, fuel was $1 (yes, a freaking DOLLAR), and groceries for me, and my girlfriend were $20 a week, and we lived LARGE! I mean roasts, sides, desserts, sodas, chicken, etc, etc. We did NOT go out to eat except once a week! We ate better at HOME!

Now? Everything feels 4 times the amount, but HALF the value.

What happened to ice cream? Seriously! The containers were gallon, half-gallon, individual sizes (IE: A pint)... Now? Ya' gotta freaking know the METRIC system to figure out what size of ice cream you're getting!

I dunno. I hate being the old guy that goes "We had it better", but in the 80's PRE-CLINTON? We really freaking DID have it better!
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Reverenddel wrote:The cost of things... does it really have to do with minimum wage, or oil, or the gold standard?
The cost of goods and services are partially determined by the costs of the inputs (wages and oil being two of them) and the quality of the currency (a gold standard vs fiat money). Of course having sound money could also lower the costs of the inputs to provide your goods or services, thus lowering your overall retail price which is why your family of four could easily be taken care of with one paltry salary in the 50s vs a single mother not being able to provide for herself and her baby today.

Anyone who talks about minimum wage or wealth inequality without addressing the out of control printing press at the Fed that's allowing this to happen is being disingenuous to the conversation. Unfortunately, I think we're going to keep creating generations of people that have learned to say "back in my day I remember when the price of..." and still have no idea why prices keep going up. Well, at least we will until no one wants our dollars anymore.
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All people care about when it comes to min wage is the dollar figure,they could care less about any economic issues involved


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dusterdude wrote:All people care about when it comes to min wage is the dollar figure,they could care less about any economic issues involved
Two things: First, everyone should read "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell. Even the Rev's "idjuts" can understand it, I think. Second, everyone should start paying taxes out of their own paycheck. When they start having to physically open the checkbook, get the pen and write in the Pay to line "United States Treasury", they'll start paying attention. Until then, fuhgedaboutid. :coffee:

Another thought came to mind. People have forgotten how to pay for things. It used to be very difficult to get a credit card. Big banks saw that people didn't really care how much was taken from their checks by the guvmint and had an epiphany! :enlighten: The banks figured out if it could work for the guvmint, why couldn't it work for them? Give the sheeple a way to spend without using paper and metal, and they'll spend more than they have. Charge them mobster interest rates and keep them beholden to the bank! What a concept!
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Swampman wrote:
dusterdude wrote:Second, everyone should start paying taxes out of their own paycheck. When they start having to physically open the checkbook, get the pen and write in the Pay to line "United States Treasury", they'll start paying attention. Until then, fuhgedaboutid. :coffee:
This very morning I did that (state too), ugh.
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